kritis, ragas, artists not heard very frequently

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Jun 2005, 08:05

i am starting this thread with a clipping of Bangalore S Sankars rendering of a kriti in kalyani-Srungapuradheeswari sarade-

as we come across such kritis/artists, one is forced to look for further information on these.
also for AIR Program announcements which go like this" doreswami Iyengar will next present a composition of Subbaray sastri in the raga... set to ... Thaal" making us miserable.
So feedback in this forum would help liberate all these track tags from their bond of anonymity ..

Hopefully this thread will throw more light on such kritis, artists like manakkal rangarajan, pudukode krishnamurthy,Pathamadai, VV sadagopan,angamali KJ Jose,
disciplines like konakkol, etc...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1278LKXB

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 27 Jun 2005, 01:33

Here are some links to Shri Pathamadai Sundaram Iyer rendering Dikshitar's Kamalamba Navavarana Kritis.

[rapidshare links deleted]

I got this from uploads on the sruthi-laya yahoo groups in 2001 when the group was a very active focal
point for sharing music. Unfortunately, Shri Krishnamoorthy Shyam, who originallay uploaded this set was
unable to get the Kalyani / Punnagavarali / Sri raga kritis (much to his, mine and others' regret).
If anyone here can somehow unearth these missing kritis that would be awesome!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 27 Jun 2005, 03:18

I don't know who the artist is but this song is not heard very often.

http://rapidshare.de/files/2617484/Sang ... ni.ra.html

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 27 Jun 2005, 04:16

that was santhanam , with recording speed gone awry.
i will upload a better version later.

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 27 Jun 2005, 11:03

You people are absolutely wonderful! Words fail me...I have been looking for Sangeetha Samrajya for a while, esp. because I promised a lady that I would help her with the Chittaiswaram. Thank you!

BTW, who composed this piece - is it available in the published form anywhere (with notation)? Did the composer compose the Chittaiswaram or did someone else add that on?

Abadri, could you please tell us(me?) more about Pathamadai Sundaram Iyer? I have a heard of a Pathamadai Krishnan, but Sundaram Iyer.....Thank you for sharing this artist's renditions.

Again, many thanks for this spirit of selfless sharing.

chithra

meena · Post by **meena** » 27 Jun 2005, 12:47

abadri
i'm also missing the same clips!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 27 Jun 2005, 20:23

sangIta sAmrAjya. rAgA: mOhanakalyANi. Adi tALA. Composer: Bangalore Ramamurti

P: sangIta sAmrAjya sancAriNi shrngAra shrngEripura vAsini
A: unnata pANDya kEraLa vAsini sannutashrI cakra madhya nivAsini
kAlaDi shankara hrdaya nivAsini kAla pAlaka brahma vishvAsini
C: gAndhAra pancama dhaivata rUpiNi niSAda madhyama sapta svarUpiNi
mandAra kusum maNimaya tEjO mAdhurya mOhanakalyANi svarUpiNi

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 27 Jun 2005, 20:34

The ciTTasvara was added by Lalgudi Jayaraman.

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 28 Jun 2005, 00:11

Chithra,

Unfortunately I don't have much info on Shri PSI.
Here's what Shri Krishnamurthy Shyam was able to tell me
Unfortunately, I don't have Pathamadai Sundaram Iyer's rendition
of the Kalyani, Sri and Punnagavarali kritis. Believe me, I searched
high and low for them! Since I'm told that PSI learnt directly from
the Muthuswamy Dikshitar sishya parampara the "vazhi" is quite
authentic.

Google search gives us only indirect links. He's called an elite musician and is listd as a guru for other folks, but no direct
biographical info is available.
A google search for "pathamadai sundaram iyer" gave this link:-
http://www.sruti.com/June03/nnote1.html
A google search for "pattamadai sundaram iyer" gave:-
http://www.chennaionline.com/musicseaso ... eason4.asp
http://www.indiamusicinfo.com/cgi-bin/v ... ts&id=1075

Not much info to go by! sorry, I can't provide more details.

Now, I'm just waiting for one of the resourceful folks here to come up with the 3 missing tracks!

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 28 Jun 2005, 05:45

Thank you all for responding to my queries - really appreciate your help and the info.

Lakshman:

I thought the chittaiswaram may have been composed by Sri Lalgudi - it had his signature! BTW, is Sri Ramamurthy a contemporary composer?

For another Mohanakalyani song, Siddhivinyakam, by HMB, I have heard two different chittaiswarams, in Sudha R's and M. Santhanam's renditions. Any idea of their author - I doubt if it is HMB.

Thanks,

Chithra

meena · Post by **meena** » 28 Jun 2005, 05:54

chitra

>>I thought the chittaiswaram may have been composed by Sri Lalgudi - it had his signature!

signature do u mean mudra? if so LGJ does not use any mudra.

meena · Post by **meena** » 28 Jun 2005, 06:21

chittaiswaram, had his signature, get it now! hee hee sorry!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Jun 2005, 06:57

You mean LGJ's chitraswaram

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 28 Jun 2005, 08:20

Thank you, Sri CML , for your witty response - I feel better now. Hope to belong here. I thought I had offended everybody by appearing to be greedy for downloads. In a way I am (only for veterans of the golden days of yore), but mostly I am not. Mere acquistion leads only to clutter, not development and refinement. I am interested in the latter, for which one must listen to music with one's heart and mind.

Anyway, thank you all.

Chithra

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 28 Jun 2005, 13:05

somu sings and explains a ktiti in raga dakshayani
: http://rapidshare.de/files/2625066/somu ... i.mp3.html

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 28 Jun 2005, 19:27

HMB has indded composed ciTTasvarAs for many of his compositions including siddhi vinAyakam. I have not heard Sudha's or Santhanam's version but here is the HMB's version:
; gA pa ma ga ri gA pa ma ga ri sa *ni *dha *pa *dha sa ri ga sa ri ga pa dha pA ma ga ri
sa ri ga pa dha sa* ni dha pa dha ri* sa* ri* ni dha pa ma ga pa dha sa* ri* ga* ri* sa* sa* ni dha pa dhA
ri* sa* ni dha pa dha sa* ri* ga* ga* ri* sa* ri* ri* sa* ni dha pa ma ga ri sa ri ga pa dha sa* ni dha ga
pa dha sa* ri* gA* ri* sa* ni dha sa* rI* sa* ni dha pA ga pa dha sa* ri* ga* sA* sa* ni dha pa ma gA ri

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Jun 2005, 22:19

Thanks coolkarni
for that Somu DakshayaNi. It is so sweet.Are there other kritis? Pl post.

Lakshman

Is there more information on this lovely raga?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 29 Jun 2005, 01:29

There are three varieties listed.
mELA 15 - SRPDNS/SNDPRS (Nadamuni Panditar)
mELA 29 - SRGMNDMPDNS/SNDPMGRS (R.R.Keshavamurti)
mELA 64 - SRGMPDNS/SNDMGRS
I don't know which one Somu uses because I have not downloaded the clip. I have no other information on this rAgA.

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 29 Jun 2005, 10:38

Thanks, Sri Lakshman, for the excerpt from HMB's book. I should examine it again to see if there is similarity to that and those rendered by MS and Sudha - perhaps they took the format and developed it differently.

Chithra

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 10 Jul 2005, 23:55

Badri:

Been listening to Pathamadai's rendition of Kamalambha Navavarna krithis, and enjoying them. His Ananda Bhairavi is very different - greater use of Anthara gandaram than most renditions I have heard. Many thanks for the uploads.

Chithra

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 13 Jul 2005, 12:39

Chithra, you're welcome. It's not me, that deserves the thanks, but Shri Shyam, who took the trouble
of collecting these and distributing it to the wider world!

nnramya · Post by **nnramya** » 13 Jul 2005, 23:07

Dear Mr.Kulkarni,
Heard that wonderful rendering of Srungapuradheeshwari by Bangalore Shankar. Must say its the first time I have heard him or heard of him and the first time I have heard this song or heard of this song.

Any idea who the composer is!?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 14 Jul 2005, 01:52

The composeris A.V.Krishnamachar.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Jul 2005, 04:29

His mudre was padmacaraN.
in this song it comes as "SrI padmacaraNE".
He is also the composer of manave mantrAlaya. Recall the last line
"Sira bAgi namisuve tava padmacaraNake"

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 14 Jul 2005, 05:41

nnramya

i will try and post some more of sankar from a concert of his.
that was personally given to us by him.so no problems with that.

very refreshing and simple artist.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 14 Jul 2005, 07:35

nnramya
here is a clip from a concert of bangalore s sankar

http://rapidshare.de/files/3040077/Mana ... r.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Jul 2005, 22:21

Aa Haa!

Lakshman!

The lyrics please!

kannan · Post by **kannan** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:23

That was very beautiful indeed. Sri Kulkarni please upload some more samples by Sri Sankar if you can

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:27

manava nilisuvadu. rAgA: nAdanAmakriya. Adi tALA.

P: manava nilisuvadu bahu kaSTa haridADuvantha
C1: kAshig-hOgalu bahudu dEsha tirugalu bahudu Ase suTTante ira bahudu haridADuvantha
2: japava mADalu bahudu tapava mADalu bahudu upavAsa vrtadallira bahudu haridADuvantha
3: snAna mADalu bahudu mauna mADalu bahudu dhyanadi purandara viTTalana caraNadali haridADuvantha

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:31

i am starting this thread with a clipping of Bangalore S Sankars rendering of a kriti in kalyani-Srungapuradheeswari sarade-

Kulkanrni sa'ab,
I was not able to d/l this clip from megaupload. Any chance of putting it up on rapidshare or the x drive?
THANKS.
Ravi

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:33

manava nilisuvadu. rAgA: nAdanAmakriya. Adi tALA.

Laksmanji,
The rendition that Kulkarni sa'ab u/led is not in nAdhanAmakriyA...
Ravi

kannan · Post by **kannan** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:39

To make it easier on Sri Kulkarni , here is the same file

http://rapidshare.de/files/3057119/SHAN ... I.MP3.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:42

Thanks, Kannan! That was verily a 'rapidshare'!
Ravi

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 15 Jul 2005, 02:11

rshankar:
The text is from a different book and as you know, Purandaradasa's kritis can be sung in more more than one rAgA. Here, the text is what is requested.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Jul 2005, 04:02

Thanks Lakshman!

Now that beautiful NaaTTaikuRavanji canbe fully relished. It is almost possible to get the meaning. But it will be nice if someone can post the meaning for this philosophical verse.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 15 Jul 2005, 05:55

drsrikaanth..with your permission, i will make a try.
please correct me since i dont know the mind of a poet as well as you do.
P: manava nilisuvudu (To bring the Mind to a Halt)
balu kaSTa(very difficult)
haridADuvantha(one that flows)(like water which changes direction quickly)
C1: kAshig-hOgalu bahudu (one may go to kasi)
dEsha tirugalu bahudu (one may travel)(extensively)
Ase suTTante ira bahudu (it may seem that the desires have been burnt)
haridADuvantha
2: japava mADalu bahudu(one may try prayers)
tapava mADalu bahudu (or a tapas)
upavAsa vrtadallira bahudu(or even a vrata of a Fast)
haridADuvantha
3: snAna mADalu bahudu(one may bathe)(to cleanse himself)
mauna mADalu bahudu(one may take a vow of silence)(to shut everything out)
dhyanadi (in a meditative Mode)
purandara viTTalana caraNadali(at the feet of ..Purandara Vittala)
haridADuvantha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 15 Jul 2005, 05:57

some more of sankar
we did start a set of wodeyars compositions by AIR bangalore.
somehow it did not generate any interest and was discontinued.
I will try and pick only the ones sung by sankar and upload.If needed we can switch them over to the Composers thread , later

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 15 Jul 2005, 06:17

Here is another track of sankar
to my knowledge sankar has released two commercial albums.should be available in bangalore Shops
http://rapidshare.de/files/3065774/Vara ... r.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Jul 2005, 06:57

Double thanks coolkarni. I now got the ramaining 20% of the meaning which I could not guess

Now Lakshman please the new kalyaNi lyric. There is no Mudra

meena · Post by **meena** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:09

Cml

mudra-kAgineley Adi kEshavana- kanakadasa's.
for lyrics/meaning- karNAtik site

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:51

Thanks meena

I heard 'kAgineleyAdi' as 'kaanchi nilayaadi' and thought it was on Kanchi KaamakShi and go toally fooled.

Perhaps if DRS gets to read this he can tell us the historical background of this lyric.

Karnatik site lists it as ranjani but Kalyani looks pretty good. Do we have a writeup about this Shankar on the net?

nnramya · Post by **nnramya** » 15 Jul 2005, 23:26

Dear Kulkarniji,
Thank you so much for the kritis rendered by Bangalore Shankar. I find myself listening to the Kalyani Srungapurasheeshwari almost everyday! Its so well sung and as you said he is so refreshing and in a simple way almost!

Please keep them coming!

Lakshmanji had already told me the composer's name. Actually in my earlier post, instead of the composer I meant to ask if anyone had the lyrics to that Kalyani piece - Srungapuraadheeshwari? Instead I bungled and asked for the composer when Lakshmanji had already provided it!

Does anyone have the lyrics to that song?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 15 Jul 2005, 23:36

SRngapurAdhISvarI SAradE
Subha mangaLe sarvAbhIShTapradE |

Sankara sannuta SrIpadmacaraNE
sakalakalA viSAradE varadE |
salahenna tAye sAmagAnapriye |

karuNisemma Sruti gatigaLa mAtE
kamanIya sapta swarasupUjite
kAvyagAna kalAsvarUpiNi
kAmitadAyini kalyANi janani ||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 16 Jul 2005, 00:00

coolkarni
The meaning you have given is fine. sankar is an excellent artist. Hi singing is marked by bhAva His rendition of dEvaranAmas is paricularly good. Also, I have much enjoyed his cocert rendition of "O rangaSAyi" in that majestic and leisurely pace.He had rendered"manava nilisuvudu" and "SrIpatiyu emage" etc in the "haridAsa namana" series in Bangalore. As you have mentioned, he is a very simple man easy to approach. By the way Im still awaiting your email.

CML
Im not aware of any specific background to "manava nilisuvudu".

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Jul 2005, 00:35

Just want the meaning of
salahenna tAye

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 16 Jul 2005, 01:32

salahu+enna+tAye
salahu is protect, nurture. The breadth of meaning of this one kannaDa word is very broad. It is a beautiful word. It is salupu in telugu. enna is me. tAye is of course mother.
"nurture,protect, care for me o mother". salahu cannot be satisfactorily translated to English. This reminds me of another verse from kumAravyAsa bhArata where there is a pun on the word "sAku".sAku an mean enough as well as nurture/care for(verb). In the udyOga parva, when kRShNa gives Arjuna the choice of otin either for the yAdava armed forces or Himself as a non-fighter, arjuna chooses Him sayin "kRShNa nInE sAku"

Heres the full verse

muramathana cittaisu kaurava-
rarasanati sirivantanida san-
tarisalApanu bahaLa yAdava sainya sAgarava |
dhareya sampadavilladaDaviya
tirkarAvinibaranu sale san-
tarisalApeve kRShNa nInE sAku namagenda ||

"sAki salahu "is often used together in kannaDa.
"varava koDu" was composed by kanakadAsa o SAradAmbe when he went to SrngEri. The song is a beautiful description of the mother in a simple language. It brings out the best of poet kanaka.

nnramya · Post by **nnramya** » 16 Jul 2005, 23:39

drshrikaanth,
Thankyou very much for the lyrics. Have so wanted to sing along with this song ever since I heard it.

You've filled in the blanks. Thankyou!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Jul 2005, 00:19

DRS nInE sAku namagenda

I did mistake the dAsa sahityam for kaanci instead of sringeri. Did kanakadaasa go out of karNaaTaka and compose on deities in other temples? Wasn't he a vaiShNava or was he more catholic (no pun intended!)?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 17 Jul 2005, 17:34

wanted to know if the following clip is a vasudevachar composition.
http://rapidshare.de/files/3124463/Sri_ ... a.MP3.html

also it would be fine if someone can initiate a discussion on this composer and his well known compositions.
(the threads on the composers is certainly doing wonders in honing our knowledge of non trinity composers-)

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 17 Jul 2005, 17:36

forgot to add.
vasudeva does appear at the end of the rendering.but i am not sure if vasudevachar had this as a mudra..