meaning for Yaar Adinar in Charukesi Raagam

shreyaquiet · Post by **shreyaquiet** » 10 Dec 2007, 12:03

hi,

I am planning to choreograph for this popular song could someone sent me the meaning for Yaar Adinar in charukesi Raagam.

thanks in advance.

regards,
shreya

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:01

Please post the lyrics so that someone can provide the meaning. Thanks.

Nia Rmohan · Post by **Nia Rmohan** » 04 Jan 2010, 02:12

Pallavi
Yar adinar ii Yevar Aduvar ambala vaanan cithambara nathanai pol

Anu Pallavi
Meena Vizhi Sivagami thanai Maranthu Meladi thuki punnagai udanae

Charanam
Buthaganam Gallum *can't figure out what the lyrics are here
Paavaiyei sevaiya Panisaiyum Paada
Mathavan Manam Koolira Mangai Sivakami udan
Ponsalangai Kollika Chit Sabhaiyil Nadanam

Some of the lyrics might be wrong but this is the recording i pulled it from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLdGr3V ... re=related

Nia Rmohan · Post by **Nia Rmohan** » 04 Jan 2010, 02:12

I would love to have the meaning for this song if anyone can post it

Thanks

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 04:37

Here are the lyrics as I hear from the dance.

P: YAr ADinAr ini evar ADuvAr ambalavANan cidambaranAthanaip pOl (YAr)
AP: mInavizhi sivakAmi tanai maRandu mellaDi tUkki punnagaiyuDanE (YAr)
C: bhUtha gaNangaLum oruvaroruvarAga pAvaiyar sevvAyAl paNNisaiyum pADa
mAthavan manam kuLira mangai sivakAmiyudan poRcalangai olikka ciRcabaiyil naTanam (YAr)

I will give a rough meaning. Experts can add or correct the meaning given here.

P: Who danced (before)? hereon who will dance like the lord of the sabhai CidambaranAthan (naTarAja)
AP: Forgetting the fish-eyed SivakAmi (naTarAja's consort) lifting the slender feet and with a smile on the face, who danced...
C: All the celestials one by one and the dames with their red (luscious?) mouths sing the melodies.
mAthavan (Vishnu??) was pleased. With dame SivakAmi and the golden anklets tinkling in the golden hall, who danced...

AP: An alternate explanation could be: The fish-eyed SivakAmi forgettingherself lifted her slender feet and danced with a smile.
(I do not find it that appropriate since this is about Siva's dance---but it is something to consider)

I may comment on this later.

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 04 Jan 2010, 04:40

mahAkavi, looks like our posts crossed.

pallavi
yAr ADinAr ini evar ADuvAr
Who danced, hence who will (can) ever dance?
ambala vANan cithambara nAdanai pOl
Like AmbalavANan, the Lord of Chidambaram?

anupallavi
mIna vizhi sivakAmi thanai maRandu
with long eyes shaped like a fish, sivakAmi, self, forgetting
mellaDi thUkki punnagai uDanE
soft-feet, lifting, smile, with
along with Sivakami who has long eyes shaped like a fish and who danced lifting her soft feet, smiling and forgetting herself (Who danced...)

caraNam
bUthagaNangaLum muRuvalODADa
with the servitors of Siva also joining the dance with a smile (muRuval = smile, +ODu = with, +ADa = dance)
pAvaiyar sevvAyAl pannisaiyum pADa
to the varied songs sung by red-lipped maidens (sevvAyAl = literally with red-mouths)
mAdavan manam kuLira mangai sivakAmiyuDan
spreading contentment in the heart of Vishnu (who was watching), Siva with his consort Sivakami
poRcalangai olikka chitsabhaiyil naDanam
with golden anklets jingling, in the Great chitsabhA (Who danced...)

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 04 Jan 2010, 04:42

in Thamizh:

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Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 04 Jan 2010, 04:50

mahakavi wrote:Here are the lyrics as I hear from the dance.

AP: An alternate explanation could be: The fish-eyed SivakAmi forgettingherself lifted her slender feet and danced with a smile.
(I do not find it that appropriate since this is about Siva's dance---but it is something to consider)

Agree. AP does not flow with pallavi.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 06:36

Enna_Solven:
Nice transcription and meaning. The word following after BhUthagaNangaLum is not very clear I heard it as "oruvar oruvarAga" but I can't vouch for it.
I am not qualified to comment on the composition. But I thought it could have used somewhat better diction and construction. That is my personal opinion.

sathirdance · Post by **sathirdance** » 04 Jan 2010, 06:59

The lyrics of
Yaar Adinaar

P
Yaar Aadinaar Ini Evaraaduvaar Ambalavaanan Chidambara Naadanai Pol

AP
Meen Vizhi Sivagaamiyai Sivanum Marandu Melladi Thookiye Punnagaiyudan Nadanam

C
Booda Ganangal Punnagayudan Aada, Por Padumai Pavaiyar Pannisaithe Ada, Madavan Manam Kulira Mangai Oru Baaganaai, Por Chilambolikavey Chirchabaiyil Bharatham

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:11

I had the same doubt as you did , I think. I can construe the "sivakAmi tanai maRandu" in two ways: "sivakAmi-tanai maRandu" forgetting Sivakami, which makes AP run into P well; but makes bad interpretation: Siva forgetting Sivakami?? The second way is "sivakAmi tanai-maRandu", which is what I took as reasonable and that is how the singer sings. In that case pallavi describes Siva dancing and AP describes pArvati dancing. Anyway, the song is sung very well. I am not qualified to comment on the dance.

I heard the 'bUthagaNangaLum muRuvalODADa' a second time after your post. I got it right.

Edit: If sathirdance's version is correct, then case 1 (the improbable) is true

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:12

The stage was too small for the dancer and restricted her free flow.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:20

e_s, please include English transliteration along with the tamil script in discussions also, as you have done for the full song. Thanks.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:25

If you examine carefully, Enna_Solven provided the Roman script version first and then followed it with Thamizh script in the next post.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:34

sathirdance wrote:The lyrics of
Yaar Adinaar

P
Yaar Aadinaar Ini Evaraaduvaar Ambalavaanan Chidambara Naadanai Pol

AP
Meen Vizhi Sivagaamiyai Sivanum Marandu Melladi Thookiye Punnagaiyudan Nadanam

C
Booda Ganangal Punnagayudan Aada, Por Padumai Pavaiyar Pannisaithe Ada, Madavan Manam Kulira Mangai Oru Baaganaai, Por Chilambolikavey Chirchabaiyil Bharatham

This makes some sense. However, the singer did not sing this way. Especially "punnagiyuDan ADa" and "poR padumai" were not heard. The singer sang ".....pAvaiyar sevvAyAl paNNisaittE pADa". Also it was not sung as "mangai oru Baaganaai" but as "mangai sivakAmiyuDan" and so many other changes were there.

If sathirdance's version is authentic, could you please provide the source and the composer's name?

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 07:42

I also have a doubt regarding "mellaDi".
Does sivan have "mellaDi", i.e., slender feet?
If it means gently lifted. then it should read as "mella aDi tUkki"

Many a slip between the cup and the lip!

sathirdance · Post by **sathirdance** » 04 Jan 2010, 10:46

The master track I have of "Yaar Adinaar" has the words as I gave them.

Untill his demise in 1999 I have recorded many Bharatanatyam songs with this great vocalist, Madurai T. Sethuraman. Yaar Adinaar was one of those tracks. And it is he who gave me the lyrics.

The vocalist or someone else in the YouTube video must have heard the song somewhere, wrote it down and gave his own understanding of the words as he heard them or didn't hear them. Pulling it of YouTube is again the same thing.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 Jan 2010, 22:26

sathirdance:
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, hearing from a recording and transcribing the lyrics has its own perils. Similarly even some printed texts have their own distortions although they tend to be minimal (restricted to printer's devil type of errors).
I was also interested in knowing the composer's name if you know it.

sathirdance · Post by **sathirdance** » 05 Jan 2010, 00:09

Lyrics and Music by Madurai T. Sethuraman.

Nia Rmohan · Post by **Nia Rmohan** » 09 Jan 2010, 20:33

mahakavi wrote:I also have a doubt regarding "mellaDi".
Does sivan have "mellaDi", i.e., slender feet?
If it means gently lifted. then it should read as "mella aDi tUkki"

Many a slip between the cup and the lip!

i think one way to interpret that line is sivakami lifted her slender feet alongside shiva

Nia Rmohan · Post by **Nia Rmohan** » 09 Jan 2010, 20:34

Whoa wait,
i was under the impression GKB wrote Yaar Aadinaar and it definitely was not in Charukesi Ragam.
Does this mean theer are two versions? One by Sethuraman and one by GKB?
That could be why there are some differences in the lyrics...

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 10 Jan 2010, 22:10

Nia Rmohan wrote:
mahakavi wrote:I also have a doubt regarding "mellaDi".
Does sivan have "mellaDi", i.e., slender feet?
If it means gently lifted. then it should read as "mella aDi tUkki"

Many a slip between the cup and the lip!
i think one way to interpret that line is sivakami lifted her slender feet alongside shiva

Nia Rmohan:
Per Sathirdance's posting of the lyrics, it is Sivan who does the dance and not SivakAmi.
Now that you bring up two different songs (possibly), it is all up in the air.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 10 Jan 2010, 22:27

If mella is looked as an adverb, instead of an adjective, 'mellaDi tUkiyE' will mean that 'Siva lifted (tUki) his foot (aDi) slowly/gracefully (mella)', and the size of Siva's foot, slender or otherwise will not matter. I think E_S took this tack when he said 'softly' - since 'soft' and the tANDava of Siva can be considered oxymoronish, I think mella in this context means slow/controlled yet powerful and graceful.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 10 Jan 2010, 23:04

mel (soft or tender) is an adjective and coupled with aDi will compound to mellaDi (soft or gentle foot)
mella (softly, slowly) is an adverb which modifies the verb "tUkki". If mella is compounded with "aDi tUkki" then the whole phrase will look like "mella aDi tUkki" and not like "mellaDi tUkki". That is my take on Thamizh grammar.
Perhaps Rajani can explain the difference.

nehab · Post by **nehab** » 28 Dec 2010, 06:52

Can anyone please provide the raaga of this YouTube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLdGr3V ... re=related

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 28 Dec 2010, 06:57

Sounds like vandanadhAriNI to me.

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 25 Oct 2011, 10:25

25/10/11

I would like to know the Taalam of this song.

TIA

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 26 Oct 2011, 23:13

One can also listen to this same song in the same tune (= Charukeshi ?), by OS Arun at :
http://www.raaga.com/channels/carnatic/ ... id=cl01349
-> http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=204065 ... 9243350327

I would like to know the Taalam of this song, and a confirmation of the Charukeshi Ragam in preferably, the above Audio link, sung by Arun.

TIA

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