tholzugai from mosque - what raga

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 20 Jun 2009, 12:14

Hi,

When I passed through a mosque, I was impressed by their rendition of the tholzugai, just the 1.5 minutes of soulful prayer.. Wondering what raga is that? I guess it is common all over the world, or atleast in India.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 20 Jun 2009, 12:54

I think Madurai GS Mani mentions somewhere it's in Mayamalavagowla

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 20 Jun 2009, 13:40

I don't think it is the same all over; have heard different azAns which at different times sounded like malavagaula/vakuLAbharaNa; chArukEshi and even gaurimanOhari once..

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 20 Jun 2009, 15:43

Some of the middle eastern parayers I've heard have been in Sindhu Bhairavi [or the HM equivalent].

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 20 Jun 2009, 21:12

Yes, GS Mani has given a beautiful discussion of it as MMG in one of the Lec dems. To me it often sounded as Ahir Bhairavi which is closer to MMG!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 20 Jun 2009, 21:28

In this exercise, let us also distinguish raga chAya vs scale basis mela fitting. When we say it reminds you of a raga, it has to pattern match to that raga intuitively and not through swara analysis. For example, I assume what keerthi says is about swara analysis and fitting it into a Mela rather than the prayer directly invoking those raga memories. Keerthi please correct if I am misinterpreting.
In some cases, there may not be much of a difference between the two.

We always have the misra option

We can call is misra mAyAmALava GowlA

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Jun 2009, 21:23

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Jun 2009, 21:33

aha! it is a joy!
Thanks to you and Nageswaran!

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 23 Jun 2009, 22:26

Cool-sahib, that was amazing! Bahut shukriya.

S.NAGESWARAN · Post by **S.NAGESWARAN** » 27 Jun 2009, 02:14

Thozhugai -- ragam,

Sri Madurai G.S.Mani, in our forum concert has clearly demonstrated the origin of the ragam in Muslim Thozhugai. The ragam used is Mayamalavagoulai.

The download link is given below.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zdrhgm0gg ... 20call.mp3

S.NAGESWARAN.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 27 Jun 2009, 07:47

Thanks Nageswaran..

sivachinta1965 · Post by **sivachinta1965** » 27 Jun 2009, 11:15

dear Rasikas

It is Harrahm( forbidden) to link this "Bangu" ( equivlent in Malayalam) with any "Ragam" " Thalam" etc...

Sivaprasad

eesha · Post by **eesha** » 09 Oct 2009, 12:02

Sri NAGESWARAN's link above is not working, can that be re-uploaded by some one please. Thanks

S.NAGESWARAN · Post by **S.NAGESWARAN** » 12 Oct 2009, 00:52

Dear Rasikas,

At the request of many Rasikas, I am uploading again the Mayamalavagoulai / Thozhugai link described and demonstrated by Sri Madurai G.S.Mani in our Forum concert.

The download link is given below.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/nmidu5g41kt/06 Mayamalavagoulai And Muslim prayer call.mp3

S.NAGESWARAN.

Ahiri · Post by **Ahiri** » 12 Oct 2009, 11:22

There was a very informative programme on POdigai in which
Dr.Pramila Gurumoorthy discussed different ragams and their origins.

She also mentioned in her lecture (conducted at Tatvaloka by Carnatica)
about the Makhab... in my notes i have something that says 64 srutis...
but am totally confused now.
She spoke about the Samagana,Gregorian chants and this Islamic Makhab and
then told us about 3 notes
-Udata ,Anudata and Swarita.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 12 Oct 2009, 12:04

Ahiri: Maquam came up for discussion a while back. I found one thread: http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... music.html Half way through the link there are some resources referred to.

Ahiri · Post by **Ahiri** » 12 Oct 2009, 12:40

Thanks !