Carnatic Cryptic Crossword Puzzle #2

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 05 Apr 2009, 21:15

http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/ ... d-puzzle-2

Still a goofy grid (I can perhaps make it more balanced with more clues, but I am rationing them at this point

) - this one may a little bit more indirect ones. Hopefully no errors in clue construction and no typos!

Enjoy!

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 05 Apr 2009, 23:03

got 1, 7, 11, 12, 14, 15, 2, 5, 6, 10 so far

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 06 Apr 2009, 00:16

The picture is not loading...anyway, it is late tonite - attacking it at work seems like a better idea!

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 06 Apr 2009, 10:33

Hi it is loading and I have taken screen print. As agreed no answers till next Monday :p

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 06 Apr 2009, 12:15

Yeah I managed to have a go. Having some trouble with 3 down though - a couple of ragams broadly fit the clue but not quite....will wait for Monday - BTW that's way too long - maybe we can make it Friday?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 Apr 2009, 22:47

I see that the 8 down has been changed by Arun....wondering why nothing was fitting there

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 06 Apr 2009, 23:43

Got everything except 3 down.. YaY..!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 Apr 2009, 23:46

Sorry. As soon as I published, I had realized a couple of typos and had posted a new image. But I think I forget to fix all the links, also get rid of the old image etc. So for a while you had no image on the blog post page, which then linked to the "old" one etc. But this has been fixed for a while now (may 15-20 hrs). Sorry for the confusion folks!

Arun

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 07 Apr 2009, 05:00

Friday should be okay. Anyway I could complete only 4

ram · Post by **ram** » 08 Apr 2009, 22:26

Arun,

Kudos to you for taking so much effort! I think your crosswords are and will surely continue to be among the most awaited items on the forum every week.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 08 Apr 2009, 23:47

thanks ram. I dont know how long I can keep it going - but for now I am thinking that somehow I can scrounge for enough clues when needed

Arun

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 10 Apr 2009, 08:21

Vijay,
I thought the 3 down were a composer duo's signature and not a ragam! Anyway time shall tell.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 10 Apr 2009, 13:36

Aha so sign refers to mudra - quite plausible...I am not even aware of any composer duo so I think I will let it pass!

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 10 Apr 2009, 14:32

vijay wrote:Aha so sign refers to mudra - quite plausible...I am not even aware of any composer duo so I think I will let it pass!

If spoilers are allowed, i can give my hint

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 10 Apr 2009, 15:13

Actuaull I am struggling at 3 down & 1 across. All others seem to have over. Will wait till tomorrow.

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 10 Apr 2009, 15:19

Disclaimer : This could be even cryptical if you dont google !

Clue for 3 down : Sanskrit name for a place near Trichy !

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 10 Apr 2009, 15:32

It was gr8 fun solving this. Pretty easy, I thought

Almost cracked it. Just haven't got 4 down

Thanx for the entertainment Arun. Hope we get to see more of these!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 10 Apr 2009, 17:30

Thanks guys. So you want the solution today (it is friday morning for me already)? I can put it up in a couple of hours - but the next puzzle would have to wait for another 1/2 to full day as it takes a bit of prep.

vijay/others: balsree and vidya are right. And additional clue: 3 down is "sort of" related to 11A also

Arun

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 10 Apr 2009, 20:18

Arun , Thanks a lot for this wonderful thing. hats off for taking time out and making us take our time out !

When are you going to the post the solutions ? Now seems to be a good time to do that !

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 10 Apr 2009, 21:29

Jigyaasa wrote:It was gr8 fun solving this. Pretty easy, I thought Almost cracked it. Just haven't got 4 down Thanx for the entertainment Arun. Hope we get to see more of these!

4 down is easy.. it's one not taught out of superstition

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 10 Apr 2009, 21:42

vganesh wrote:Actuaull I am struggling at 3 down & 1 across. All others seem to have over. Will wait till tomorrow.

1 across has another name for this raga

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 10 Apr 2009, 22:00

Arun
Thanks for the puzzle , unfortunately I was not able to take a print out at work, I dont have a printer at home, without print out I was only able to solve just 5. Looks like before I work out on Monday /Tuesday with a print out, I guess it is too late for others as you need to give the answers.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 11 Apr 2009, 01:52

Solution has been published: http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/ ... d-puzzle-2

Thanks for support. I will put up the next one during the weekend.

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 11 Apr 2009, 02:20

got everything correct.. however had to force fit dattila.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2009, 03:40

Suji,
Attagirl
Arun,
Marvelous!
I guessed only a few--which makes me bottom of the class. 1; I couldn't print it out. 2: cryptic clues make it difficult for me. 3: I do not know that much about music.
Anyway, the way you create the clues fascinates me. While I do well with my crosswords, I have problems with Indian ones which are mostly cryptic. You have a fan in me because I am appreciative when I come across an original clue in any crossword puzzle. Yours are all original!

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 11 Apr 2009, 04:50

Arun,
amazing! waiting for the next one. Keep them coming to tickle our brain cells.-

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 11 Apr 2009, 09:39

Very nice. I have written Ramakriya instead of Ramamatya. Don't know why.... Still it worked. Real hard work from your end. Waiting for the next...

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 11 Apr 2009, 11:13

14 A BILAHARI makes more sense to me !

9D. i did not understand. can some one explain

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 11 Apr 2009, 11:34

9D-SEMMANGUDI?
Arun has explained it.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 11 Apr 2009, 14:59

3D was elusive till the end. Garbha as equivalent of pregnant escaped me and did not know Garbhapuri-Vasa was a duo! Anyway, looking forward to more Arun!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 11 Apr 2009, 17:47

thanks arasi, punarvasi and vganesh.

balsree: bilahari is "almost" a fit as its letters do contain an anagram for Bihar. But the clue indicates (cryptically of course

) that the answer is an anagram of Bihar via, which would fit bhairavi but not bilahari.

As Narayan indicated earlier, having only part of the answer being anagram of something in a clue is not done. As one can imagine, that can be quite confusing (unless more explicitly indicated in the clue itself).

Also, Semmangudi is anagram of amusing Med - the word "about" is frequently used in cryptic crosswords (like in Hindu) to indicate anagram.

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 11 Apr 2009, 19:09

btw, great job suji

!

Arun

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 11 Apr 2009, 19:50

I too missed garbhapuri. Who/when/where was garbhapuri or garbhapuri vasa ? A google search does not yield anything.

ignoramus · Post by **ignoramus** » 11 Apr 2009, 20:13

Hi Uday

Check this earlier rasikas link. Could be the info you are looking for
http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... ayyar.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 11 Apr 2009, 20:19

OK..Arun, I have to publicly confess that these crosswords are NOT for me. Reading the solutions is hard enough!

BUT, a great job nevertheless!

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 11 Apr 2009, 20:43

arunk wrote:thanks arasi, punarvasi and vganesh.

balsree: bilahari is "almost" a fit as its letters do contain an anagram for Bihar. But the clue indicates (cryptically of course ) that the answer is an anagram of Bihar via, which would fit bhairavi but not bilahari.

As Narayan indicated earlier, having only part of the answer being anagram of something in a clue is not done. As one can imagine, that can be quite confusing (unless more explicitly indicated in the clue itself).

Also, Semmangudi is anagram of amusing Med - the word "about" is frequently used in cryptic crosswords (like in Hindu) to indicate anagram.

Arun

Thanks arun for the clarifications. I believe Med is a slang and not a common word. When is the next ? Looking forward to that !

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2009, 21:10

garbhapuri was the first one I solved! Being a woman may have something to do with it. Curious to know if it was just as easy for the other three women...

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 11 Apr 2009, 22:09

info on garbhapuri:http://www.karnatik.com/co1023.shtml

As I mention in the solutions page, the Sri raga varnam is a composition by them and the mudra occurs in the anupallavi. The mudra I guess is variably garbhapurisa, garbhapurivasa, garbhapurinivasa (as in the sriraga varnam).

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 11 Apr 2009, 22:25

arasi wrote:garbhapuri was the first one I solved! Being a woman may have something to do with it. Curious to know if it was just as easy for the other three women...

I too got that first. But was also looking into ragas ending in "vati" but the clue was about a sign... so settled for garbhapuri

Looking forward for more ..
reminds me of the days I spent with The Hindu Crosswords during summer vacation and driving my mom crazy..

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 12 Apr 2009, 03:11

ravi - I am surprised that you find it that hard! It is mainly acrobatics with letters with some knowledge of CM. I am sure you can handle both with ease

Arun

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 12 Apr 2009, 13:55

Suji Ram wrote:
Jigyaasa wrote:It was gr8 fun solving this. Pretty easy, I thought Almost cracked it. Just haven't got 4 down Thanx for the entertainment Arun. Hope we get to see more of these!
4 down is easy.. it's one not taught out of superstition

DAMN!!! That's all there was to it! Didn't think of it from that angle...