Original score in music

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 26 Mar 2009, 17:06

Let me at the outset inform that I donot want to start a controversial subject.Every year awards are given for original scores by music directors, What is exactly meant by original score?, There are more than 150 countries in the world, Musicians of every one of these countries would be creating their own music (tunes). The tune created by a musician of countryA may be exactly similar to the tune of country B, thousands of miles away .who and how to decide the originality ? Who is performing the highly voluminous task of hearing lakhs of musical scores to decide the originality? GOBILALITHA

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 26 Mar 2009, 17:58

The music which is so far not heard by the panelists/judges

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 26 Mar 2009, 18:28

It means something you came up with which you did not copy (wholely or partly) or which doesn't look to others as if you copied it - so it is inherently subjective. It does not mean coming something with zero influence from existing music. There is inspiration and there is plagiarism (conscious effort to copy) - but in reality, there is a fuzzy line between them.

I may consciously try to do something similar to what a musician I admire did - because I like it, because I admire the works of the musician. Is it inspiration or plagiarism? Some may say inspiration, others may say plagiarism.

Arun

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 26 Mar 2009, 19:03

While doing something similar to a musician one admires is fuzzy to be classified, what about an instance when the 'copying' in intentional and in full measure. There is seemingly no definite way to identify it. Academia is a shade better in this aspect, as one just needs to do a literature survey, which is definitely easier (than listening to every music track) and eliminates plagiarism to a better degree. But, yes, comparing academia and an art is not too sound, I know!

Sathej

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 26 Mar 2009, 19:30

I think plagiarism is not just the act of copying itself. It is "copying or passing someone else's work as your own" - i.e. in that you dont give credit to the other person (i.e. acknowledgment, royalty etc. to satisfy that other person and/or laws rather than to just satisfy your conscience

!) and thus act as if its your own.

Intentional copy will definitely not count as original (assuming people who judge it can recogize it as so!). But whether it is plagiarism or not depends on more things.

Arun

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 26 Mar 2009, 20:38

Agreed, plagiarism implies not giving credit where its due. 'Assuming people who judge it recognise it to be so' - true, but I suppose it is difficult to do it in such a thing as music!

Sathej

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 Mar 2009, 21:01

When I listen to performers singing phrases and patterns of masters:
when they continue their phrases and patterns, being just a trite copy of the masters, not coloring them with their own imagination, I get disappointed . A tad irritated too, on behalf of the master, I suppose! Usually, within a few minutes you can tell if the performer is inspired and is emulating the master. He/she might make the original singer proud by investing his/her own originality to that bit of singing. As a result, the listeners are pleased too, being reminded of the masters, but also being treated to something more--the rich imagination of the performer...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 26 Mar 2009, 21:08

Copy but not plagiarize during swara prasthara

G M . P . M G .
R G . S . R G .
E N . R U . . .
M A D U R A I .
M A . N I . . .
P A . D U V A R

( Exercise for the musician: glide over ( or kArvai over ) those letters that are not swarakshara )

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 Mar 2009, 21:25

Sari gA SonnAi, kO..kilamE!
(ma gA) (ri ga sArigA)

And a worth repeating phrase, no doubt

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 26 Mar 2009, 22:37

My supposition is that original score in this film context, means wriiten especially for as opposed to simply using other people's compositions off the shelf.

Whilst originality might be part of the critic's score, an original score might include arrangements of other people's works. Just it is not music straight off the shelf.

Just my theory.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 27 Mar 2009, 07:39

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 27 Mar 2009, 15:49

The creator is the originator of everything inthe world. ."ulage maayam,vazhve maayam". gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 31 Mar 2009, 08:43

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 31 Mar 2009, 11:34

It's copying when the "composer" can tell where they've heard the piece / line most like it before. One could argue that before actually performing or publishing their composition, the composer should listen to all things remotely resembling and see if it "deeply" resembles (checking for subconscious copying), but this is ridiculous given the sheer number of compositions now available in the world. So the composer can perhaps be given a time frame within which if they recall something which could've been sourced subconsciously, they'll have to change it.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 31 Mar 2009, 12:53

Maurice Jarre passed away Yesterday.
This tune haunts me , decades after I first read the book and watched the movie.

I never read the book, or watched the movie. But, still, that music is like an anthem of my childhood.

Another great tragedy, almost so tragic as to become ridiculous, Romeo and Juliet, inspired some wonderful music of its time for the musical West Side Story.