Bhaava in Music

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vgvindan
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Post by vgvindan »

Brahma created various kinds of creatures such as horses, cows, dogs,
elephants, etc. But he was not perfectly satisfied. Then He created man. This
gave Him entire satisfaction. Because it is man only who can produce Sapta
Svara (sa, ri, ga, ma, pa, dha, ni, sa). He can do Kirtan and realise God through
Sankirtan. The animals produce only one kind of sound or Svara.
http://www.dlshq.org/download/selfknowledge.htm
I have been studying this relationship of music to moods all through my career. In fact, I clearly remember when I was just eight or nine, not old enough to really understand the meaning of romance or pathos, I had an inclination to play raags in komal swaras that expressed precisely these feelings, much to my father's annoyance. He would often rebuke me for pursuing these sad raags. But I couldn't help it. When my father taught me Bhopali, I woul sit practicing Shivranjani; when he asked me to play Shankara or Shudhkalyan, I'd play Madhuwanti or Puriya Dhanashri. Later, as I grew up, I realised that my happy-go-lucky father preferred the happy notes, whereas I the dreamer, identified more with the sad or, rather soft notes.

I have noticed this affinity for particular raags in several people. Their tastes in music reveal their basic temperament. Of course, this subject needs to be developed and researched but, if it is done, I am sure we will find a correlation between personality and musical preferences.

I vividly recall when I was recording at the AIR station in Jammu as a college student. Two ladies happened to be present at the recording. One of them a vocalist, kept nodding her head and saying " Wah!Wah!" to show her appreciation of the music, while the other lady, who was not a musician, had tears in her eyes as she listened to me play raag Todi -- this raag's mood is one of yearning and pathos. This incident made me realize how deeply music can affect our emotions. A musician sometimes may get so inextricably lost in the technicalities of a raag that the mood may miss him but the layperson always reacts instinctively to it.

I often hold recitals at schools and colleges where the majority are uninitiated in the theory of Indian classical music. Here I never tell them the raag I am playing. I only ask for their reactions to the music and they have always been able to identify the mood of the raag. And this reaction is common all over the world because though we may speak a different language and barriers of borders may segregate us , our human emotions still remain the same. That is why the language of music is universal.

The mood of the raag is set by the alaap. It is the most important part of a composition because it creates the structure of the raag. Hindustani classical is not instant music; you cannot switch it on or off. Our music grows gradually. I always compare it to a painting. You cannot throw colours on a canvas and call it a painting; it has to be created slowly, slowly, stroke by stroke. Similarly, when we develop a raag we use the notes in various combinations and permutations and unfold the raag, note by note.

People who are not well versed in music believe that the real composition begins when the tabla joins in. This just shows the significance of the tempo in defining the mood. The beat of the tabla synchronizes with the composition and produces a harmonious blend of melody and rhythm. You cannot create a happy mood if the tempo or laya is slow; if the tempo is not right, tragedy can turn into comedy. Can you imagine the composition Piya milan ki aas being played to a fast beat ? The laya is an important part of the music and crucial in setting the mood.
http://www.santoor.com/strikingnotes.html

Musical rendition is meant to manifest before the mind's eye of the listener the scene that floated before the Vaggeyakkara when the words were scripted - nay the words flowed. A neraval or sangati is meant to fix the mind of the listener in that particular mental imagery for some time. That is why the tempo of sangati and neraval is to be built up slowly so that the listener follows the path and reaches the destination and does sanchara there along with the musician - mAnasa vana cara vara sanchAramu salipi mUrti bAguga poDaganE vArendarO mahAnubhAvulu,. If the listener could be made to make that sanchara, I wonder as to how the Vaggeyakkara would have felt then!

In order to lead the listener to that stage, first the heart of the musician should be full. No dancer can render pathos when she is seething with anger inside. The face is the index of mind. The bhAva of the mind is reflected in the face. If the heart is emotionally saturated, the face will reflect that automatically. There is a 'negizhvu' (நெகிழ்வு) in the voice (Sorry, I do not find a suitable English word - 'relaxation' does not suitably describe it). The musician then need not 'control' the 'accompanists' by looking at them at every sangati. They fall in line according to the mood of the musician. What follows is the divine music.

The sapta svara devatas are cursed as inert; they cannot reach the feet of the Lord - Nada Brahmam - where they belong - (nAda tanumaniSam Sankaram) without the help of human vehicle.

sogasugA mRdanga tALamu jata kUrci ninnu sokka cEyu dhIruDevvaDO

The operative word is ninnu - If that Nada Brahma can be enamoured, what to talk of we, mortals?

Can I come out of a musical session with moist eyes and heart brimming with emotions? The search continues.....

PS : This is not addressed to those who feel music is 'secular' and nothing 'divine' about it.
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Post by rajumds »

Can I come out of a musical session with moist eyes and heart brimming with emotions? The search continues.....
You may not come across such a concert in a life time.

Are we not asking for too much when we wish every performer should be a Thyagaraja. If an artist reaches that stage will he perform for us.

As you rightly said "the heart of the musician should be full" . In today's commercial world is it possible ? Or do we want an artist to renounce every thing and be one with Him , so that we can hear some great music.

Again assuming that an artist reaches that stage temporarily in concert , you should also be in the same frame of mind to understand / enjoy .

All the above can happen only if you are destined to hear such music and most probably it can't happen in a concert.

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Post by vgvindan »

Raj,
I understand. That is why I said 'search continues'. Hum intezaar karenge khayaamat tak.

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Post by knandago2001 »

vgvindan:
why don't you sing? for someone so deeply attached to sahitya it can only be more rewarding...
as the proverb goes "Proof of the pudding is in the eating"..... not to take away from instant pudding
but "Proofpudding" just doesn't cut it!!

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Post by vgvindan »

nanadago,
Your sarcasm is palpable.
Have You seen a new born calf, just after a few faltering steps to get up, running to mother's udder? Has anyone taught it? Music is innate - SiSur vETti - paSur vEtti - vEtti gAna rasam phaNiH. Its excellence is tasted not only by the initiated but others who are not that lucky.

Music is but a vehicle - a means of communication - of bhAva - emotions - which is innate to humans - no one teaches us how to weep or laugh.

There was one 'fool' who wept pitiably before Lord Rama - wept in the language of music - to redeem him from this animal living - and when he got what wanted - again wept in ecstasy - in the language of music.

There was another 'lunatic' born in Bengal; again he wept before mother Kali. When he spoke after getting what he wanted, every word he uttered became a Veda Vakya.

In order to understand the weeping of these 'fools' and 'lunatics', you don't need the 'technical' knowledge of music or study in Veda Pathasala; every word they utter is 'music' and 'Word' to the ears of those who have found a worthier cause - which these and other 'fools' and 'lunatics' have been propagating in this hallowed land.

It is not any sAhitya that matters. Only that sAhitya which is pregnant with bhAva that has survived the march of time - others - like the vulgar padams - will be consigned to WPB of time. I am not attached to sAhitya but the bhAva of that sAhitya.

The challenge is already accepted - and it will become true - but then when it happens, whether You are You or not, I will not be I - therefore, from that standpoint your challenge will go unanswered.

nandago,
A few generations in this land have been fed this falsehood that there is no bhAva other than rAga. I am not sure whether musicians have been atleast true to the bhAva of rAga; otherwise You will not be finding Jesudas - nominated as one of the 5 best of the year - singing Abheri 'nagu mOmu' in Veera Rasa.

In order to know the taste of pudding I do not need to be the chief chef of Sheraton.

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Post by coolkarni »

WE talk of art as something artificial in comparison with life. But I sometimes fancy that the very highest art is more real than life itself. At least this is true : that in proportion as passions become real they become poetical; the lover is always trying to be the poet. All real energy is an attempt at harmony and a high swing of rhythm; and if we were only real enough we should all talk in rhyme
Chesterton
Ah !
If only we were real enough !!
Oh !
The number of times I have wept because I cannot sing a single line ....
:rolleyes:
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Post by bilahari »

I agree that this perfect concert some of us envision, this higher art, is, as rajumds commented, not likely to be encountered in our lifetime. Mathematically speaking, this perfect experience is nearly asymptotic, but that is exactly the reason we keep going to concerts as well. We're all the time looking to even approach or brush this asymptote, we're always searching for this higher experience, even though, at the back of our minds, we kind of know we're not going to get it. There is a French proverb I'm fond of quoting: "Tant qu'il y a de la vie, il y a de l'espoir" (As long as there is life, there is hope). Isn't this what keeps vgvindan sir going to concerts?

I also don't think knandago2001 was being entirely sarcastic when he suggested vgvindan sir take up singing. As keen rasikas, we appreciate the music we hear really deeply, and it touches us on a really personal level. But the deeper we engage in something, the more we seek unity with that very entity (Hess's Siddhartha beautifully touches on this idea of unity with oneself and the world using the metaphor of the river). Actually engaging in music directly, by creating it (why do we hum lines that are stuck in our head? It's because we want to listen to those lines again, and on this level, every artiste producing music is a rasika as well, and vice-versa, but I oversimplify and digress), we too can head towards this oneness with the art itself, and to some extent, it really might satisfy your quest for bhavam. And from a personal perspective, it really can vastly increase one's own appreciation for the art. When I started learning violin, I really started taking notice of the minor decorations each artiste introduces, even the simpler sangathis, and my own difficulty in producing this sort of intricatemusic really made me appreciate so much in all the music I listen to.
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Post by arasi »

Vous avez raison, Bilahari...

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Post by cienu »

knandago2001's "provocation" has indeed elevated the debate on this thread to a higher level ! I too feel like bilahari that , probably , it was not the intention of knandago2001 to be saracastic. I agree with vgvindan that there are not many concerts today where you can come out with tears in your eyes , though the concert may have been specatular. But I did have tears in my eyes when I heard TNS sing "Sree Krishnam Bhaja Manasa" after a fantastic Todi alapanai , last Sunday 25th Nov at Vadiraja Hall in Bangalore. I do not have an explanation. This also depends on the listener's state of mind as much as the singers ability to convey Bhava (As Rajumds has mentioned)

Coolji's lament on the No of times he has wept for not being able to sing even a single line is a mirror image held for many million hearts!
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Post by coolkarni »

cienu
knanandago cannot be sarcastic , even if forced to train under Military Commanders !!
Perhaps the finest blend of HM and CM that I have seen till date.
No wonder Brinda , once looked under her window one day to see a young lad lost in her Music, called him in, asked him to sing a few Lines ,and offered to teach him Music !!
Knandago sarcastic ?
I should write about his visit to my place , one of these days.
One of the Finest of Minds and Finest of Spirits.
Govindan , you can bet on me to introduce him to you in a couple of weeks.I am pretty sure that he was only egging you on to sing and enjoy !

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Post by vgvindan »

I beg pardon of knandago.
New day dawning, I wonder what it holds for me,
Sun is shining, I Don't think that it will shine on me
I look around, nothing seems to have changed,
This dirty town, it hasn't some how rearranged

And I stand up, but I get knocked straight back down,
"Just give it up" they say, "We just don't want you around
Not one of us, and we don't like to share."
Mouthful of dust, but I'll get even I swear...

I hear your voice, call my name, but in my heart, It's still pouring rain,
And it ain't pretty, no it ain't pretty...

But you say "Hold on, hold on... believe me,
All the plans against you one by one, will come undone."
I shall overcome.

Through my tears, I try to see your face,
But doubt and fear come calling, and crowd my head with words of hate,
I scream out please! Don't leave me hear alone,
Down on my knees, without you and without hope...

I hear your voice, call my name, but in my heart, It's still pouring rain,
And it ain't pretty, no it ain't pretty...

But you say "Hold on, hold on... believe me,
Love is here and I won't let you down, stand your ground.
Hold on, hold on... It's easy,
All the plans against you one by one, will come undone."
I know I shall overcome.

Just in time you call my name, pull myself up, to fight again.
I'll never let you down...

"Hold on, hold on... believe me,
Love is here and I won't let you down, stand your ground.
Hold on, hold on... It's easy,
All the plans against you one by one, will come undone."
I know I shall overcome.
by Hard-Fi
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/h/hard ... rcome.html

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Post by vgvindan »

I am just listening to a great maestro of yester years singing in WS 'Ela nI daya rAdu'. There is not a trace of begging when rendering 'Ela nI daya rAdu'. 'rArA dEvAdi dEva' is rendered as if it is 'mAppiLLai azhaippu' (receiveing the bridegroom). A few generations have grown under the tutelege of such personalities for whom 'bhAva' of the kriti is of no consequence - only musical excellence matters.

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Post by Music »

Vgvindan, very nice articles. Thanks for pointing to them.

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Post by knandago2001 »

vgvindan: tres bien merci!! please do sing... there can be no substitute.
bilhari, cienu, kulkarni ji i'm simply overwhelmed....

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Post by arunk »

My 2 (rambling) cents/paise.

I feel that "the music that can move us" is there indeed in our presence many many more times than we realize or open our ears and hearts to. It is left up to us to hear it and feel it. We open ourselves, and suddenly more things seem beautiful. If we instead start analyzing/comparing/contrasting every nuance, we will only end up yearning more and more - for that which has no faults. We also start to less enamored by more music we hear - just based on blemishes. Perhaps, we start to permanently wear those filtered glasses, painted with our own prejudices (which we very rarely like to admit - i.e. that our taste is contaminated a lot by our and only our prejudices).

I am NOT saying that faults are ok etc. I just think there is sort of a catch-22 here. Once you think you will be satisfied only by zero-fault music, it may be an endless search. Even when you think you found it, someone else may not agree as he/she may have sensed something awry.

But don't the higher principles say that we should love all and everything - the same higher principles which we contextually use - perhaps only when it suits our argument? If we are to find the beauty in everything, shouldn't one have to look past the blemishes to find it? But if we instead hang on to the notion that "I will love only the ideal - that which has no faults, no specks, no wrinkles", then when we see anything, what do you think our mind wants to see? Are there any specks? Where are the wrinkles?

When I started listening to CM, I did not know much - and it seems now that I loved anything and everything. Nowadays, when I listen - I am constantly analyzing. Is the sruthi ok? Didnt that seem off there? Wait a minute - the word split there wasnt ideal! Why is there so much acrobatics here?

I *never* did any of those when I started. Now this does not mean I liked everything - but it seems I am more and more selective - I do this analyzing in just about anything I hear. Now I could get satisfied saying that my taste got better and that I am gravitating towards "better music" and I should be glad. But I also tell myself - nice try :) That is a clever way of stroking one's ego. Not that it has no merit - there is indeed truth to it, but I think my taste definitely has more of my prejudices mixed in now than then. So its a mixture of both.

But even now, there are songs I hear which moved me, and seemed to make the situation "perfect". Loved every minute. But later, I may get to know the mistakes, imperfections that somehow escaped me - either from a later recording or from another person (who did not like the same rendition because they sensed the mistake then). So, are the mistakes ok? No - but then why did the situation seem perfect? So am I still a dunce not knowing what is the "perfect music" and its a case of the ass not knowing the fragrance of camphor? Some would certainly say so. But it does not change the feeling I experienced then. What does change is, next time I listen - I now have a couple of more sensors in my arsenal. More sensors looking for more kinds of faults. My defenses against being more open simply got bolstered.

Again, I am not saying mistakes are ok. I think it is indeed good for practitioneers to know the extent of their mistakes so that they dont take them for granted, and instead try to improve. But I also think that hanging on to mistakes, dissecting everything ultimately makes us loose more than we need have lost.

Arun
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Post by vgvindan »

Arun,
I understand.

Three years back, I was happy listening to the 'baNTu rIti koluvu' rendered by Sudha thinking that this is 'the' bhAva of Thyagaraja. Then came my encounter - nay a journey - with the kritis of Thyagaraja - and then MD.

When one sits, hours together, staring at the words like 'mUlAdhAraja nAdameruguTa mudamugala mOkSamurA', trying to comprehend their significance, referring to books, poring over Internet sites for information, the profundity of it all dawns. Then, the bhAva of the kriti like 'baNTu rIti koluvu' enters your mind's ears - making the contraptions called 'external' ears totally irrelevant. Yet, there is more to it - comprehension is only an intellectual exercise - it has to be apprehended - that's an altogether different exercise which cannot commence till the skeptical mind is convinced that what one 'heard' is indeed existing in the physical world - because Thyagaraja and MD are not here to confirm. That is what I keep searching - I 'know' it exists - it is true - yet it is not manifesting - excepting at times like flashes of lightning. But then summer's thunder and lightning is of no consequence. Where is the drench?

In the process of assimiliation - you may call it also 'chewing the cud' - one feels the incongruity of people who declare that 'there is no bhAva other than rAga' rushing to 'propagate' - and another one competing simultaneously in selling 'wares' - 'Navaavarana Kritis' be it Kamakshi or Kamalamba - which is totally bhAva-oriented and highly esoteric in nature.

And You also look sadly at the huge bill board at the corner of Thiruvanmiyur - walking back to the bus stand - after the concert on 1st Dec 2007 - how CM has come to be exploited for personal gains, though I myself have written in one of the threads that we have no business to comment on what a CM musician does to earn his/her livelihood.

Yet nothing is last. Like Indian Upanishadic Philosophy, CM also is founded on the rock bottom - of bhakti - nAdOpAsana. A thousand years of rolling seas will not make a difference. Then a person like Adi Sankaracharya will come to tell us what fools are we to remain unaware of one's own glory.

I shall await His arrival.
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Post by coolkarni »

I shall await His arrival.
Something to interest you , in the meanwhile.
A Priceless Collage.
A Mind Boggling tribute to the "Price of Sanity in Art".
Ah !
Starry Starry Night .... This tune will now stay with me for days, I guess.

http://rapidshare.com/files/74006309/Vi ... n_Gogh.flv
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Post by cienu »

Well said vgvindan. I concur with your views , particularly on the commercial exploitation of CM for personal financial gains. But then it is the personal decision of the respected artist .

I was reminded of the famous words of the master composer Late Kadayanallur Venkatraman ,"We don't take up music as a profession because we want to make money. There are many other surer, easier ways of making money. We take to music because... Well, if you are the sort of person to whom I have to explain it, you will not understand it anyway."

Ref article in "The Hindu" dated 20th Feb 2004. (Link below)

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2004/02/20/stor ... 430400.htm

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Post by vgvindan »

coolkarni,
Thanks,
I downloaded the file. But which program to use to open the *.flv file?
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Post by coolkarni »

http://keepvid.com/

You can pick up a free FLV player from the above site or any other site by googling

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Post by vgvindan »

cienu,
Kindly post the link in the parallel thread about a survey conducted by Ananda Vikatan. Let them also conduct a survey - not in concert halls only but also - in all the public telephone booths to find out how many such hidden, unrecognised, self-effacing and true talents are there.

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Post by vgvindan »

Starry Starry Night
Coolkarni,
Thanks for link and also other related information.

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Post by gobilalitha »

in a post,singing with feeling, i have mentioned about MS AMMA(REMEMBER10TH DEC) rendering malaipozhudinile with feeling.in a gramaphone record. .. in the lyric a particular line :naalu puram nokki naani naan (feling of shyness), she brings a feeling of shyness in her voice , which a classical dancer will express with her eyes gobilalitha

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Post by vgvindan »

I was just listening, in WS, Jesu Das rendering Thyagaraja kRti 'ninnE nera namminAnu' - Raga Panthuvarali.

In this kRti, Sri Thyagaraja pours out his heart - "I have realised that in this life none can shine forth without Your grace - therefore I have totally believed You since my child-hood"
http://thyagaraja.sulekha.com/blog/post ... vam-31.htm

The singer has done total injustice to the kriti by singing it in a Veera rasa and what an applause from a 'discerning' audience!

Shame!!
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vgvindan wrote:Arun,
Three years back, I was happy listening to the 'baNTu rIti koluvu' rendered by Sudha thinking that this is 'the' bhAva of Thyagaraja. Then came my encounter - nay a journey - with the kritis of Thyagaraja - and then MD.
Do you refer to M D Ramanathan here?

I have an issue which is off-topic in this context - yet I will ask as it refers to BhAva.

MDR's Kaligiyuntegada seems to my ears, the very best rendition of Keeravani that I have ever heard. (not that I have heard so much, or I know much) To me, the emotion in his voice, the pace, and the presentation itself make this piece simply soul-stirring and I have found it to be 46 minutes of pure bliss.

I request more discerning listeners to please comment on this piece.

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~harihara ... LGJ_VR_VN/

(The 7th track)
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Post by gobilalitha »

is there anybody better than MSS TO SING WITH bhava? why no mention about her? go thro my earlier post about the song malai pozhudinile by MSS GOBILALITHA

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Post by vgvindan »

skandyhere,
MD - refers to Dikshitar. Sorry if I have misled you.

gobilalitaji,
I am in total agreement with You that MS has always been true to the bhAva of the kriti.

However, even MS had been victim of the tradition - in singing wrongly the Thyagaraja Kriti - 'rAma nannu brOva rAvEmakO'

BTW, was MS a dancer also? IMHO she should have been, but for which it would not have been possible in those days to enter filmdom. Dancers do understand bhAva because that - bhAva - is basic to dancing.

It is regrettable to note that bhAva - which is as much relevant to music as to dance - is not taught to students of music.
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Post by skandyhere »

vgvindan sir, have you heard of the clip I previously mentioned? Since I am relatively new to music - my experience being limited to merely the pleasure of listening to it, I would appreciate a brief critique of that particular piece. Maybe a line or two?

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Post by rbsiyer »

for truly appreciating bhaava in carnatic music i am given to believe you need a piano.

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skandyhere,
The Alapana was better; LGJ was better.

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Post by coolkarni »

It is regrettable to note that bhAva - which is as much relevant to music as to dance - is not taught to students of music.
It is a wrong generalisation.
My opinion is that this one area where the individual traits start evolving as the performer matures , both in his own music as well as in his life.
Depends on how much of it is internalised.
But bhava to be experienced , needs a great deal of maturity on the part of a listener too.
MLV's later year concerts are heavily bhava ridden for me- more so after I experienced a great deal in Life.And that may have very little to do with the Lyrics, even.MM Iyers Lathangi alapana for his RTP is a classic example.Somebody else's so called bhava is cliched for me simply because it is reproduced again and again without variations .
Synthetic, in my books.Though gloriously sounding.

That is one reason why it never surpises me that while there are so many performer prodigies who start to RECOGNISE ragas by the time they are just two , I have never come across a kid of 10 years who can be called a rasika-prodigy.

Bhava in Music and Experience in Life , Go hand in hand.
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Bhava in Music and Experience in Life , Go hand in hand
Coolkarni,
IMHO, like child prodigies in music, there are children who have natual flair for acting too. In case of dance, for those children who do not have that natural flair, there is a definite method of teaching bhAva - facial - voice - abhinaya etc.

Is it not possible to adapt the 'voice' part of dance to music?

Now-a-days, dancers do not sing - it is only background singing - I do not know whether this was so in the past also.

When film production started in our country, the actors were definitely required to sing and dance too. In a parallel thread I asked whether MSS knew dance also. IMHO, she knew dance too without which it would not have been possible to enter film line in those days.

MSS is one example of bhAvic singing - which, IMHO accrues from her training in dancing and acting.

Based on this I have made my observation that it is possible to inculcate voice modulation for different rasas - moods.

In the film 'Sindhu Bhairavi' - the judge character (father of Sindhu) mimics TMS - how he adapts his voice to various film characters. There is a definite lesson in this. Similarly Mohd Rafi and Lata also used change their voices depending the actor in the films. TMS, Mohd Rafi and other famous singers definitely knew how to infuse the mood in the songs. Film songs of 60s and 70s are a proof of this.

Similarly when someone goes for acting test, he is asked to play different roles with different dialogues. One who is not able to modulate his voice to suit the rasa cannot become a good actor.

Would it not be appropriate if musicians also learn to modulate their voices depending on the rasa? What is now seen is that every song is rendered in a bland voice. But for the Raga's innate modulations, there is no separate effort by the musician to mimic the bhAva of the vAggEyakkAra.

The popularity of film songs of yester-years is definitely due to this ability to touch the hearts of the people by infusing the bhAva.

I wonder how much CM can benefit if this could be adopted and how much nearer it will be to the common man!
Last edited by vgvindan on 21 Dec 2007, 00:29, edited 1 time in total.

cienu
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Post by cienu »

vgvindan ,

With ref to your query on whether MS could dance , please refer to the Forum "Vidwans and Vidushis" , Topic "M.S.Subbulakshmi" , Post No 132 on Page 6 by rshankar.

I think that would answer your question ! The link to the page is as below.

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=202&p=6

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Post by vgvindan »

cienu,
Thanks a lot.

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