Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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vainika
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Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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Summary of this morning's lec-dem

Vidvan RK Shriramkumar, along with the tambura maker Sri Dakshinamurti's son (the father, originally listed, was unable to be present) started this season's Academic Session series at the Music Academy with an insightful overview of the tambura. Some key points: requesting others to add -

i. RKSK pointed to likely origins of the instrument in central Asia, with instruments named tanbur, tunbūr, tamboura, etc. and to its occurrence in miniature paintings depicting Tansen [1500s] and Akbar.

ii. Richness of overtones in the tambura, not found in electronic tamburas: RKSK urged practitioners and organizers to bring the tambura back to the classroom and concert stage.

iii. Tanjavur, Trivandrum, Mysuru, Miruj and Calcutta tamburas were discussed and differences among them were pointed out - most notably the use of gourds as resonators in the Miruj tambura, which also dictates this instrument's placement on the floor rather on the lap.

iv. Importance of jiva - silk/cotton strings placed between the bridge plate and the metal strings to produce the buzzing tone.

v. Interesting anecdotes involving MS Subbulakshmi, KV Narayaswami and Kumar Gandharva who paid utmost attention to tuning/fine-tuning of the tambura and spent considerable time ensuring alignment of their voices to the tambura.

vi. The tambura maker (I apologize for missing his name) spoke about gauges used for tamburas tuned to lower ('male') and higher '(female') pitches.

Experts' Committee members added their reflections on wood seasoning practices, storage (velvet-lined box was mentioned), and an innovation of a second bridge inserted between the nut and the first bridge to reduce the length of the vibrating string and raise the pitch for female singers. TM Krishna, SK designate, wondered aloud if the concept of a rAga, which presupposes an AdhAra note, could have existed prior to the the advent of the tambura.

Some questions I would have liked to see addressed - maybe Uday and others on this forum nay be able to respond:

- the importance of the resonator upper surface being convex, and whether the surface flattens over time as it does in the Veena

- the tuning of tambura in panchama-varjya rAgas: given the time it takes to re-tune, does one omit strumming the panchama string while rendering tambura accompaniment to rAgas without panchama, , or re-tune Pa to Ma or Sa>

- diferences and similarities between the resonator of the tambura and veena in terms of the surface plank and thickness.

L Ramakrishnan (vainika)

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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Vainika,
Great synopsis of the lecdem as a record as well.
I was thinking a convex surface on Veena would have been hard to play since everyone won’t have the handspan to play comfortably.

I have a Tambura of Vid TN Krishnan given to my friend in NZ who in turn gave it to me when I left NZ. That badly needs a service.
Plus I have seen small tamburas used in overseas concerts. They look cute but I wonder what RKSk would say about their tonal value.

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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SuSrutiyODu tuvangum Lec-dems!

Vainika (Ramakrishnan),
Good to read your learned post about it.

Years ago, you played so well in one of the Rasikas gatherings!

Malathi,
You are both a vINa player and a vocalist. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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@MV, sorry if I wasn't clear. it appears that many veenas actually do have slightly convex surface boards (palagai) on the resonator, not as much as a tambura, but nevertheless convex. The surface also tends to flatten over time.

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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Many thanks for the posting. There is a fundamental question regarding tamburas that never gets addressed. Did the vidwans have an opinion as to why the tambura was attractive to Indian music given that it is not found in any other musical system in the world? TMK may be hinting at the reason for this. We know of the "grAma" system that existed in Indian music in ancient (medieval?) times evolved to the current system of mapping the raga to one fixed octave (hence AdhAra shadja). Is it possible that the tambura and the AdhAra shadja evolved together at around the same time? I don't know if the dates match up.

Which brings me to a somewhat irrelevant question -- if the tambura came to us from overseas in the 15th century or thereabouts why is Sage Narada depicted in the popular imagery holding a tambura? Or is he supposed to be holding an ek-tArA (one-stringed lute found even today among some folk musicians)?

-T

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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A researcher who studied the rig veda ( studied in modern sense - all the western literature written on it) has blogged about this:
But as already pointed out by Alain Danielou, quoted earlier: "Under Muslim rule, age-old stories were retold as if they had happened at the court of Akbar, so as to make them acceptable to new rulers and win the practice and honors bestowed on the creative artistes of the day. Such transfer of legends is frequent everywhere. We should therefore not be surprised to find ancient musical forms and musical instruments being given Persian-sounding names and starting a new career as the innovations of the Mughal courts".
Full article here:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/02/m ... ii_88.html

The key point of contention with one of the scholars quoted:
And here is what Sachs has to say about the 7-tone-22-shruti system of notes described in Bharata's text: "We know that two basic principles have shaped scales all over the world: the cyclic principle with its equal whole tones of 204 and semitones of 90 Cents, and the divisive
principle with major whole tones of 204, minor whole tones of 182, and large semitones of 112 Cents.

Bharata’s system derives from the divisive principle, and this, in turn, stems from stopped strings. But the earlier part of Indian antiquity had no stringed instrument except the open-stringed harp; no lute, no zither provided a fingerboard. India must have had the up-and-down principle, and it cannot but be hiding somewhere." (SACHS:1943:169)

In short: the system described in Bharata's text is a musical system going back far into the pre-Buddhist past and representing a scale system which, at least as per Sachs' own admission, could only have been derived from experiments with stopped strings. This has been sought to be explained by some musicologists in various unconvincing ways, but the only logical explanation is that ancient India, long before Bharata's Natya-Shastra, long before the Buddha, had a fully developed system of octaves based on an analysis of notes which were based on musical instruments with stopped strings, so obviously very-ancient India (in the early 1st millennium BCE and much earlier) had indigenous musical instruments with stopped strings (lutes, lute-zithers, stick-zithers).

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Re: Lec-Dem MA Dec 16, 2024: RK Shriramkumar on 'The Raga adhara – Tambura'

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https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/ ... 0.ece/amp/

Now the reporting says " West Asia" not "Central".

https://x.com/GemsOfINDOLOGY/status/1747310280286298260 - this is claimed to depict a Lute from 6th - 7th century in Kashmir.

Lutes have been depicted in Uzbekistan as early as 1 CE :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airtam_Frieze

Hellenistic Gandhara, Hadda - Greco Buddhist site relief - 1 CE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lute#/med ... anquet.JPG

Amaravati - Southern India - Buddhist - 2 CE

https://x.com/GemsOfINDOLOGY/status/1678040362491813888


Gupta Period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbat_(lute)

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OqdqzzyaWj4/ ... aya-25.JPG

A Short video collection traces back reliefs to 500 BCE:

https://x.com/GemsOfINDOLOGY/status/1609452234391289856

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