Selection & Elaboration of Main Ragas...

mahesh33 · Post by **mahesh33** » 21 May 2007, 23:39

Is there a thought process behind this?

http://desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/20 ... tic-music/

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 22 May 2007, 07:20

While the tradition of elaborating at least one major raga (such as Thodi, Bhairavi, Sankarabharanam, Kalyani or Kambhoji) is still in vogue, the blog article suggests this is changing.

I think the rationale behind choosing rare ragas for major elaboration is the desire of musicians to be innovative and to offer something new (or rare) to the audience.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 22 May 2007, 15:21

Hallo every one,
Our CM is after all creative music , giving vast scope to manodharma of the artist to flourish on it.More over there is nothing wrong in eloborating a not so frequently heard raga for such ragas too form part of our music.If strict adherence to singing only ghana ragas for eloboration for each and every kriti, what will become the fate of lesser known ragas ? Proper concert palanning will be the answer to get through any emerging predicament.
Mostly shrewed vidwans plan their concert format in advance so as to strike a balance and take cognisance of this intriguing aspect.
ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 22 May 2007, 15:57

Hallo Dear CM Lovers/CM devotees,
I put before the esteemed devotees of CM the the following question.
What is the use of boasting ourselves to be having laks and laks of ragas in our system of CM but not willing to bring them to light , attributing to self imposed restrictions.The universal TRUTH that SHRUTI anantham, is to be accepted,what prevents one from venturing , not into an unknown area,but into our own system of music which abounds immesurable scope for innovations within the grammatical boundaries.
Of course some might not even have the prowess to swim with the tide.But why not allow a proficient swimmer to do the same to his heart's fill !!!
I think the unpredictable human psychology is the route cause for all these abberrations.
It is in this, way, most of our Melakarta raagams died a natural death due to the inhibitions
advocated by our yester year vidwans.Even ragas like Kanaakangi Ratnangi,and the list will elongate... I suppose, were made to find their place into the archieval dust-bins. It is a sad truth indeed.And abover all "The usual Pandora's Box which contains THE USUAL
VIVAADHI RAAGAMS" and it's attendant adverse remarks.
I think I have to apply comma at this stage
Ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 22 May 2007, 17:51

Dear Devotees of DIVINE music,
It is with a deep sense devotion towards the DIVINE ARTwhich is none other than our CM, I had the propensity to dwell on the subject , which by itself can not be fathomed by a few vested interests.Whatever we seem to be knowing is nothing more than a spec in an ocean !!!
If some one tries to bring out the invaluable pearl out of it,let us atleast try to appreciate his/her endeavour instead of throwing it out in entireity and do injustice to the art.Any aspirant who is adept in handling lesser known raagas (VIVAADHI inclusive)in an attracrive maner, let us try to enjoy and emulate the techniques attached thereto or at least shun from diriding their sincere efforts.We will be doing a great service to the cause of our DIVINE MUSIC in our own humble way.It 's after all the main raagas that paved way for the emergence of lesser known raagas.too.It is for the esteemed RASIKAS TO JUDGE THE MERITS AND DE-MERITS of any bye product during the process of musical soujourn
Ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 23 May 2007, 17:19

Hallo Sir/madam(little sri)You have a very valid point inasmuch as your desire for the exposure of little known ragas , is concerned.It is in the context of such a scenorio I have taken it up a mission to create kritis in such ragas that require more number of Sahityams .You would perhaps have viewed and listened to my compositions which are available in the Website www.karnatik.com.My contention, and conviction too are in agrement with your view that Ragas get enriched only through compositions of good quality.
Your views are indeed worth more than mere words
Ramaraj

Note :You can also view VAGEYAKARA thread of our forum for my kritis

mahesh33 · Post by **mahesh33** » 25 May 2007, 19:21

Ramaraj sir,

Composing in rare ragas and elaboratng such ragas in a concert are unrelated. To my mind, established artists have experimented with several ragas, including Sanjay/TNS/MLV just to name a few past/present.

Now, for the composer's dilemma. Given the number of new composers creeping up on a daily basis, including some on this forum, I am not sure there is a methodology that allows singers to evaluate compositions with musical value. Some others have value as "shlokhams", in my opinion and most r just fillers. Some are even composed to further a religious propaganda. Hence, I can imagine that artists can be hesitant in bringing to light compositions who's intention they r not familiar with.

That said, given that you are such a prolific and well-regarded composer, I am sure in due time, your compositions will be successfull in bringing little-sung ragas to the fore, just like DRS's compositions also.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 25 May 2007, 20:41

Thank u Mr Mahesh
You have exactly hit the nail at it's head,

The merits and demerits (as I have been repeating ) of a good composition is best judged by the kn0wledgeble rasikas.So also the ragas a composer chooses for it.This is the main reason for my posting all my creations in this forum
and rendering myself the kritis composed by me and by some veteran vidwans and vidushis so as to facilitate aquaintence with my kritis.Kindly listen to the kritis posted under VAGEYAKARA thread, so that u may also have an idea.
To begin with u may do well to listen to the Kanakangi piece which depicts the Glory of Paramaacaarya of Kanci.Raji also has rendered the Aalapanai of this raaga , a VIVAADI RAGA, even angels fear to tread !!! Like wise there are so many rare ragas in which I have composed kritis. Please listen to them and get back with ur views. Thank u once again
Ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 25 May 2007, 20:51

Dear Mr .Mahesh,
Some of our valued Rasikas /members of our forum have actually listened and expressed their views.
They are (1)Mahakavi (2)CMLover(3)Mr.Jayaram (4)Rajeshnath (5)ramakriyaand others.Please view them.
CM Lover has not only gone thru' most my kritis but to our pleasant surprise learnt the KAMAAS Kriti and reendered it too !!! and he has posted his rendering of the kriti in the forum
that too within a short space of time !
Ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 25 May 2007, 21:04

Dear Mahesh,
Kindly view the foreword of Prof.TRS ( to my book titled INNISAIPAAMALAI) which has been reproduced in the Vageyakara thread (3rd page) of our forum, for your view .
Ramaraj

mahesh33 · Post by **mahesh33** » 25 May 2007, 21:41

Thanks, Ramaraj sir. I have been following that thread for sometime now, thanks for letting me know.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 26 May 2007, 08:33

Thanks Mr.Mahesh,
You can always feel fre to contact me with ur views.
Ramaraj