Shuddha Saveri

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 09 Apr 2007, 23:44

I have started this thread on this majestic raga with the hope that somebody will post links to rare gems like Lakshanamulu Gala and Devakriya/Shuddha Saveri kritis of Dikshitar.

My personal favorites are the popular Darini Telusukonti and Poochi Iyengar's Samajavarada. I have heard TKR/Nedunuri/MMI sing raga alapanas of this raga, but yet to hear present day musicians elaborately handle this raga.

My guru taught me Ekamreshanayike in Karnataka Shuddha Saveri, but I believe there is also a version in Shuddha Saveri. More info/discussion/education on this raga welcome !!!.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 09 Apr 2007, 23:59

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~murthy/0 ... 0.12.2006/

You can find Sri guruguha by DKP here.

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 10 Apr 2007, 00:01

is sudha saaveri similar to raaga durga of HM?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 10 Apr 2007, 00:05

Another one of my favorites--Ambujam Krishna's gudiththODi vArAy guhanE! (from Geethamala volume one, tuned by V.V.Sadagopan).The chiTTAswaram is full of life...

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 10 Apr 2007, 02:10

arasi wrote:Ambujam Krishna's gudiththODi vArAy guhanE! The chiTTAswaram is full of life...

I haven't heard this one. Do you have a recording?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 10 Apr 2007, 09:19

Sorry, Ksrimech, but I do have the lyrics. this song is set to Adi tAlam.

pallavi: guthiththODI vARAi guhanE, muruganE!
pAdAmbuja semboR SilambolikkavE

anupallavi: nidhi nIyE ena ninaindiDum en mun
madi mugam kATTa magizhvuDan thuLLiyE

charaNam: veLLI malai Ishan iDa bAgam vaiththa
kiLLai mozhiyAL sivakAmi manam
koLLai koNDA kumaraiyanE (manam) (unai)
aLLi aNAindiDa Asai koNDEnE

chiTTA swaram

* da sA-ri ma pa da SA- ma pa da sA :
da pa - dA pa ma - pA : ma ri - mA ri sa - rI ::
; * sA sa ma - ri pa ma da pa Sa - da Ri - dA :
Sa Ri Ma RI Sa - SA : da - dA pa- pA ma=ma::
ri . . * (guthithODi sa sA rI ma)

Apologies for not being proficient in notating. This is just to give you an idea...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 10 Apr 2007, 09:32

Arasi,
Thanks for those lyrics - deceptively simple, yet fantastically eloquent!
kiLLai mozhiyAL - reminds me of GKB's 'taTTai mozhi SivakAmi maNALan' or Papanasam Sivan's 'alaimagaL, kalaimagaL paNi kIravANI'

divakar · Post by **divakar** » 10 Apr 2007, 10:27

humdinger wrote:is sudha saaveri similar to raaga durga of HM?

http://www.rso.cornell.edu/spicmacay/sp ... /raga.html

paddu · Post by **paddu** » 10 Apr 2007, 11:25

humdinger wrote:is sudha saaveri similar to raaga durga of HM?

Yes, it is equivalent to Raga Durga.

I am not sure if this is a copy right material. Moderators, kindly remove this link if it is so.

One really beautiful piece

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fjhvid

I remember reading some where as Raaga Durg? Are Raaga Durg and Durga one and the same?

Thanks
Paddu

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 10 Apr 2007, 11:36

thanks divakar and paddu

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Apr 2007, 17:09

http://www.badongo.com/file/2714901

rtp-by ksg-kanyakumari-guruvayoor dorai

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Apr 2007, 18:58

Two gems from MLV

http://www.badongo.com/file/2715067
03-Sadasivakumara-Suddasaveri

http://www.badongo.com/file/2715366
04-Sri_Vatukanatha-Sudda_Saveri

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 10 Apr 2007, 22:09

coolkarni wrote:Two gems from MLV

http://www.badongo.com/file/2715067
03-Sadasivakumara-Suddasaveri

http://www.badongo.com/file/2715366
04-Sri_Vatukanatha-Sudda_Saveri

Thanks Coolkarni for these elaborate Suddha sAvEri. It's great!

I always would confuse it for Arabhi with shades of madhyamavati. I would hum the gItam AnalEkara to check.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 10 Apr 2007, 22:58

Thank you Queen.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 11 Apr 2007, 12:47

A version of ekAmbrEshanAyikE in shuddha sAvEri would not be appropriate, IMO, since MD has already clearly defined shuddha sAvEri as dEvakriyA in his nomenclature...?

I have heard someone at a private session singing this shuddha sAvEri 'version' and it sounded atrocious to my ears [perhaps because I am so conditioned to the popular DKJ renditions

].

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2007, 13:05

This is blasphemy. Another misguided attempt to "Standardize" all of CM to tyAgarAja's format (God knows if indeed it is)

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 11 Apr 2007, 13:06

I like taayE tripurasundari by periaswamy tooran the most. IMHO, this rAgam to me is a scholarly rAgam and very challenging for an artist to present.

On a side note every time I identify this rAgam as Arabi in first iteration, then it takes few more minutes to identify as sudda sAveri. Don't know why?? Only once I identified this rAgam as sudda sAveri,without getting into arAbi .That was a very recent vijayashiva concert when he sang taayE tripurasundari, possibly explaining vijayashiva's merit .

V_ANNASAMY · Post by **V_ANNASAMY** » 11 Apr 2007, 16:07

Pa ma ri sa ri ma prayoga in Suddha Saveri ; Straightaway flat pa ma ri sa

Pa maga(ma, ga very closely) ra sa ri - special emphasis for arabhi prayog

can distinguish these ragas its identity.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 11 Apr 2007, 16:16

drshrikaanth wrote:This is blasphemy. Another misguided attempt to "Standardize" all of CM to tyAgarAja's format (God knows if indeed it is)

I couldn't agree more, DRS. Spoils the mood of a grand krithi.

Among MD's krithis I love shri vATukanAtha. The line 'kAla kAla bhairava brahma kapAla shUladhara' is sung so beautifully by the MLV school with the word 'brahma' touching the dhaivatam to such emotive effect. sandhyA dEvIm is another brisk and beautiful one. shri guruguha is of course well known. In the pATantara I have learnt, the line 'surapati shrIpati' is sung in 3 speeds. I have never heard madhurAmbA or lalitAmbikAm.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2007, 17:06

prashant wrote:Also, shri vATukanAtha in dEvakriyA is one of the few MD krithis not to have a madhyamakAlA passage. The only other one I could think of is kshitijA ramaNam CintayE.

But it does doesnt it? (SrI vaTukanAtha)

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 11 Apr 2007, 19:29

No DRS Sir it doesn't. I just listened to Sudha's recording [CMANA 2003] and there's no madhyamakAlA passage in the song.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2007, 20:14

Paddu,
Thank you for such a beautiful Durga. To quote Saroja Ramnujam, 'I was transported to the clouds' (and thank God, brought back promptly!)

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2007, 20:18

Cool,
First, an appetizer, then a treat. MahA Lovely VidUshi's double treat from dhAthA...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2007, 21:32

Prashant
Here is why I raised the doubts. The song as it starts has 4mAtre counts or a maximum of 5 per Avarta of miSrachApu tALa. This is certainly the case with nearly all miSrachApu kRtis of MD and many other composers. On a sidenote, thats why miSrachApu kRtis have the majesty and poise and qualify for the "viLamba" status.

Coming back to this kRti, when you come to the end of the anupallavi (bhUvalaya rakShaNa vicakShaNa bhUta bhEtALAdi rakSaNa) and caraNa (nIlakaNTha subAla guruguha lOla lIlAjAla pAlaya) the sAhitya starts running to exactly 7 mAtre counts per Avarta. this is nearly double of what happens in the usual pace of the kRti as it starts. This works just like madhyamakAlasAhitya. To all purposes it seems just that. The same is the case with akShayalingavibhO in SankarAbharaNa.

MD has experimented a lot in this matter. Take the 1st AvaraNa kRti in Anandabhairavi (kamalAmbA samrakShatu mAm) and you have all 3 kAlas in it. Take SrIbAlasubrahmaNyAgachha in bilahari and you have 14 mAtres per Avarta of miSrachApu. But you will also notice that the krti in its opening and for the most part has 5 to 6 mAtres per Avarta. (4 also at times). So just puting 7 mAtres per Avarta would not bring out the contrast between the sama kAla and madhyamakAla in that kRti.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 11 Apr 2007, 21:37

That's an interesting observation DRS Sir - let me go back and listen keeping this in mind. I have no doubt you are right. Will post as soon as I do it!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 11 Apr 2007, 21:46

drshrikaanth wrote:Prashant
Here is why I raised the doubts. The song as it starts has 4mAtre counts or a maximum of 5 per Avarta of miSrachApu tALa. This is certainly the case with nearly all miSrachApu kRtis of MD and many other composers. On a sidenote, thats why miSrachApu kRtis have the majesty and poise and qualify for the "viLamba" status.

But aren't all the so-called miSra CApu kRtis of dIkshitar actually triSra tripuTa or miSra Eka?

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2007, 21:57

ramakriya wrote:But aren't all the so-called miSra CApu kRtis of dIkshitar actually triSra tripuTa or miSra Eka?
-Ramakriya

Call them what you will. The akShara count and the relative contrast does not change.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 12 Apr 2007, 09:34

drshrikaanth wrote:Prashant
The song as it starts has 4mAtre counts or a maximum of 5 per Avarta of miSrachApu tALa.

DRS Sir - I am not able to understand this correctly, I think. Could you please explain this by using the first line of the song?

For example, this is how I understand it:

1 Avarta

shri = 5
va = 2
=7

2nd Avarta

tu = 1
ka = 2
nA = 2
tha = 2
=7

drshrikaanth wrote:Coming back to this kRti, when you come to the end of the anupallavi (bhUvalaya rakShaNa vicakShaNa bhUta bhEtALAdi rakSaNa) and caraNa (nIlakaNTha subAla guruguha lOla lIlAjAla pAlaya) the sAhitya starts running to exactly 7 mAtre counts per Avarta. this is nearly double of what happens in the usual pace of the kRti as it starts. This works just like madhyamakAlasAhitya. To all purposes it seems just that. The same is the case with akShayalingavibhO in SankarAbharaNa.

If I am understanding you correctly, there are more words [effectively double the number of words] per avartanam of miSrachApu? So you are right! It is equivalent to a madhyamakala. Thanks for pointing it out. I will correct my post above.

I think I got confused because the passages quoted above don't seem to really 'stand out' from the rest of the song. Dikshitar madhyamakala pieces to my ear come in a point/counterpoint basis. i.e. the anupallavi/charanam/samashti charanam will have a theme and the madhyamakala will sum it up or bring in a counterpoint to that theme. At least musically, this doesn't seem to work that way...?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Apr 2007, 12:42

prashant wrote:DRS Sir - I am not able to understand this correctly, I think. Could you please explain this by using the first line of the song?

For example, this is how I understand it:

1 Avarta

shri = 5
va = 2
=7

2nd Avarta

tu = 1
ka = 2
nA = 2
tha = 2
=7

I am talking of the words and syllable distribution here. No doubt your mAtre/akShara count is correct musically. But talking of the words SrI= 2 mAtres (guru or dIrgha), va= 1 mAtre (laghu,hrasva)

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 12 Apr 2007, 12:50

Ah OK DRS. Got in now!

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 12 Apr 2007, 16:04

Coolkarniji: do you have any renditions of sandhyAdEvIm with you?