Creation of new Ragas and Talas.

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 01 Oct 2006, 07:13

Some Vidwans claim that they have created some new Ragas and Talas. How far it is true to claim so? Discuss.

jhnlasik · Post by **jhnlasik** » 02 Oct 2006, 20:35

msakella
why don't you start the discussion by giving us the name of a vidwan and the raga(s) he claims to have created ?

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 02 Oct 2006, 21:27

Dear member, jhnlasik, In fact I am more particular about the action taken by an invidual than the individual. For example, the Raga, Hamsadhvani, is said to have been created by Ramaswamy Dikshitar and recently, the Tala structure called 'Sivapalathalam' is said to have been created by the Percussionist Sri Harimohan. Had they claimed that they have chosen to name the respective Tala or Raga I need not have any objection. But, the combination of notes 's-r-g-p-n-s---s-n-p-g-r-s' is already available among the possible Audava combinations of any Mela and in the same manner, I, being very well aware of the Talaprastara, very well know that this rhythmical structure also is already available among the possible rhythmical combinations pertaining to the Tala structure of 'Sivapalathalam'. Thus, any person can choose a particular combination of notes from the available combinations of notes or a combination of Tala from the available combinations of Tala Structures and name it but cannot claim that he/she had created them on his own. Any person can create any Vakra Raga and name it but not a raga having combination of notes like Hamsadhvani. But, in respect of Tala, by the grace of the Almighty as the only authority alive on talaprastara upon earth, I can declare that there is no possibility of creating any new rhythmical structure at all. This is for the kind information of all musicians and musicologists. amsharma.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 02 Oct 2006, 23:15

msakella wrote:...
But, in respect of Tala, by the grace of the Almighty as the only authority alive on talaprastara upon earth, I can declare that there is no possibility of creating any new rhythmical structure at all. This is for the kind information of all musicians and musicologists. amsharma.

Namaskarams and Vijaya dasami greetings.

A few years ago in a concert at Melbourne, Vidwan Balamuralikrishna introduced a 'new' talam and gave a detailed demonstration of it with an elaborate pallavi. I can't remember the details of the talam, except that it contained a circular movement of the hand, etc.

I assume this talam must be part of the large set of talams that have already been identified. (Apparently, there were hundreds of talams in vogue in the past, but now the active subset contains only about 35...)

Jayaram

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 03 Oct 2006, 05:36

Dear Sri Jayaram, Namaskarams and thank you for your kind Vijayadashami greetings which I reciprocate the same to you.
'Ignorence is bliss'. Only a person who is well aware of the 10th element 'Talaprastara' agrees that all kinds of rhythmical forms are already available in the universe and that no new rhythmical form could ever be created but named. All others, being innocent of the respective knowledge, believe it. We can't help! There are infinite number of rhythmical forms in the Almighty's creation many of which have never been idintified or named at all. Each and every rhythmical form of the Universe consists of a specific serial number and nobody is even aware of this fact. 'Talaprastara' gives out all these precicive details. There lies the greatness of our Indian culture. Since many centuries (right from Sangita Ratnakara of 13th century) we have lost this track and only by the grace of the Almighty I was blessed with all the latent secrets of this which I have brought out in 3 books. And I have taken the propagation of this topic also as my life's mission.amsharma.

sangeetarasikan · Post by **sangeetarasikan** » 05 Oct 2006, 00:59

Sri. Sharma, you refer to the 10th element 'Talaprastara'. What are the other nine elements?

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 05 Oct 2006, 03:34

Dear Mr. Sangeetarasikan, The remaining nine elements of Tala are, Kaala, Maarga, Kriya, Anga, Graha, Jaati, Kala, Laya and Yati. Prastara, the last but not the least at all, is the 10th element, and, previously, this has never been brought out into light by any author of any century. amsharma.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 14 Dec 2006, 18:04

Do you know anything about Balamuralis new thala Swarnamuki howmany aksharas used for it and have a chance to discuess about

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 20 Dec 2006, 21:00

Dear member, [email protected], Please refer the 15th post of the thread 'New Tala structure called Sivapalathalam'. amsharma.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 22 Dec 2006, 20:45

pls give your e-mail address.other wise i cant give the details

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 22 Dec 2006, 21:22

Dear member, [email protected], My e-mail address is available in my profile. However, I shall give it here and it is â€˜[email protected]â€™. I do not understand why you trying to restrict our discussions to our personal e-mail address only. It is not nice on your part. Music is not our personal property but the cultural property of our Great Indian society. So, if you bring out all your doubts through these posts it will be helpful to all our members also to get themselves enlightened in these topics of music. Please try to do so. amsharma.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 08 Jun 2007, 18:11

sreegurugy sir

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 08 Jun 2007, 18:16

Sarmaji,
Can you please provide me with the details of all the books that you have written and whether they can be purchased in madras?
Thanks and namaskarams,
-bhaktha

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 09 Jun 2007, 21:32

Dear brother-member, bhaktha, Yes, my dear. The Almighty made me write 7 books in all and they are 1.Talaprastara Ratnakara (Telugu), 2.Indian Genius in Talaprastara â€“ the English version of the previous one, 3.Talaprastara of Nisshanka Sharngadevaâ€™s Sangita Ratnakara with a critical interpretation (English), 4. Systematisation of Prastara Details of Deshi Talas (English), 5. Sangita Svararaga Sudha (Telugu) supplied along with 9 pre-recorded cassettes of Svarakalpana & Ragalapana of 36 Ragas, 6. Sangita Svararaga Sudha â€“ English version of the previous one and 7. Sangita Vidya Bodhini (Telugu only) â€“ containing all the items of Certificate and Diploma Examinations in Karnataka Music in notation and supplied along with 4 mp3 CDs containing all the items sung in the same notation and with independent tracks for the Pallavi, Anupallavi and Charana of all the 70 Kritis in the Syllabi. The copies of all the above publications in English are available with Karnatak Music Book Centre, Chennai and the Telugu publications are available with me. amsharma.

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 09 Jun 2007, 21:36

Thank you so much sarmaji. I guess you are referring to the bookstore at Royapettah that has been there for ages...Will pay a visit to the store very soon.
Namaskarams,
bhaktha

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 12 Jun 2007, 09:13

sreegurugy Shyama Shastryâ€™s Sharabhanandana-tala fits in Talaprastara like all the other rhythmical forms of the universe and can be used even as a rhythmical form but cannot be rendered at all, this structure of Sivapalathalam is the only one of its kind I have ever seen which does not even fit in Talaprasatara at all. will you please clarify howmany aksharas for that rair thalam .thing you can clarify thank you sirI

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 12 Jun 2007, 09:14

[email protected] wrote:sreegurugy said that Shyama Shastryâ€™s Sharabhanandana-tala fits in Talaprastara like all the other rhythmical forms of the universe and can be used even as a rhythmical form but cannot be rendered at all, this structure of Sivapalathalam is the only one of its kind I have ever seen which does not even fit in Talaprasatara at all. will you please clarify howmany aksharas for that rair thalam .thing you can clarify thank you sirI

msakella · Post by **msakella** » 12 Jun 2007, 16:27

Dear brother-member, [email protected], Please refer the thread 'New Tala structure called 'Sivapalathalam'. amsharma.