Jayachamaraja Odeyar (Mysore Maharajah) - Part II

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:04

meena Posted: 01 Apr 2006 06:38 pm

i followed the troupe (badri/kji) and our admin order , and Yes i deleted ALL, i mentioned on sree MDR thread

sorry pinkchary

is it Dr. Meera Rajaram Pranesh?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:05

drshrikaanth Posted: 01 Apr 2006 06:41 pm

--is it Dr. Meera Rajaram Pranesh?

Yes thats the one.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:07

Raja Chandra Posted: 01 Apr 2006 06:50 pm

Yes teacher amma,

it is Dr.Meera Rajaram Pranesh !

DRS said: Her PhD thesis was on HMB (I dont remember the details). A very nice lady.

But I think PhD thesis was on "Musical Composers during Wodeyar Dynasty (1638-1947 A.D)."

She has also published it as a book. The book was published by Vee Emm Publications , 12, Site No:187, 187, 1 st cross, 1 st block East, Byrasandra, Jayanagar, Bangalore-560011. PH: 080-26630717.
Price=Rs.180.00.

Book release was held on 30-3-2003 and the book was released by the late Rani Vijaya Devi.

Dr. Meera is at present the secretary ( or is it President) of the gayana samaja.

I agree with DRS a very nice lady !

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:08

drshrikaanth Posted: 01 Apr 2006 06:54 pm

Raja Chandra.
I guess you are right. She once gave a lecdem on HMB and I probably connected it to her thesis.(There is a connection too as HMB is one of the composers but not the only one.

).
And she is secreatary only. Oh no not the president!

I think it is still Mr.kamalanath. But Meera has a long way to go before she can sit in the chiar.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:10

cmlover Posted: 01 Apr 2006 06:59 pm

RC

I am just curious about the involvement of the Wodeyars in our Freedom struggle. Though Mysore was an independant state, did the Royalty interact with the Freedom fighters in the rest of the country. In particular I would love to hear about any interactions with Bapuji!. Do please give historical references and of course you can e-mail me but I think it will be of general interest for all of us!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:10

Raja Chandra Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:00 pm

Dr.Meera is a gold medalist in M.A. For Her M.Phil degree she has done a project called " The Splendour of Dr. L.Muthiah Bhagavatar".

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:11

meena Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:02 pm
RC / param / Rest of the folks

PLEASE NO MORE AMMA

thanku for the info

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:13

Raja Chandra Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:04 pm

RC

In particular I would love to hear about any interactions with Bapuji!.

Sir,

For a beginning please read my post at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishnaraja_Wodeyar_IV

If you need to know more i will write a note and will mail you ASAP

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:13

pinkchry Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:04 pm

drshrikaanth, I think I have those kritis already. I'll repost the recent wodeyar kritis to the google groups shortly

Thanks

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:15

Raja Chandra Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:05 pm

RC / param / Rest of the folks

PLEASE NO MORE AMMA

thanku for the info

sorry !

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:16

Raja Chandra Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:13 pm

Dr. Meera is at present the secretary ( or is it President) of the gayana samaja.

Dr.Meera is at present the secretary of Karnataka Ganakala Parishat not gayana samaj.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:17

drshrikaanth Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:25 pm

That sounds very much like it. Thanks Raja chandra.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:17

cmlover Posted: 01 Apr 2006 07:33 pm

Thanks RC

for that enlightening link. Bapuji had a loving soft corner for most of the Royalty. He preferred 'RamRajya' to the western concepts of 'Democracy'. If he was not assasinated he would have played a benevolent role in the abolishment of Royalty in Free India.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:19

drshrikaanth Posted: 01 Apr 2006 09:33 pm

Notes on || vimalAmbike ||

rAga: vijayavasanta ; caturaSratripuTa tALa(dESAdi)

vimalAmbikE; paripAhimAm- Protect me;

vimalAnga SrI Siva sukhakari- You Who please Siva(Him with a pure and untainted body);
vibhudArcitE- You Who are worshipped by the wise;
SrIvidyESvari- Mistress of SrIvidya;

sanakAdi yOgi samsEvitE- You Who are served by sanaka and other yOgis;
sannuta vijayavasanta tOShitE- You Who are appeased by being praised in vijayavasanta(rAga);
sakala amara sura vanditE- You Whos is saluted by all the Gods;
sakala AmnAya pratipAditE- You Who are explained/understood by all traditions;
Just as all roads lead to Rome, so do all traditions ultimately lead to Her.

AkASAt patitam tOyam yathA gacchati sAgram |
sarvadEva namaskAraH kESavam(SrIvidyAm) pratigacchati ||

agaNita mahima SObhitE- You Who are shining with countless good attributes and exploits;
agastyamuni pUjitE- You Who are worshipped by sage agastya(One of the foremost exponents of SrIvidyA)
AgamaviditE- You Who is manifest/taught in the vEdas.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:20

kiransurya Posted: 01 Apr 2006 10:09 pm

DRS
Thats a good krithi in the rare raaga. Can you throw some light on the raaga lakshana please . I have never heard this raaga...
Cheers

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:21

coolkarni Posted: 02 Apr 2006 05:17 am

http://rapidshare.de/files/16997050/272 ... y.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 19:30

Thanks again DRS for that efficient restoration of phoenix from its ashes. Now I am eagerly awaiting your description of this rarely heard raga 'vijayavasanta'.

Folks! Pitch in! We're back!!!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Apr 2006, 06:24

vijayavasanta is a upAnga janya of the 54th mELa- viSvambhari/ vamSavati. Its scale is

SM2PD3N3S* | S*NPMGS ||

This is a rare rAga that evokes adbhuta rasa. Apart from the ShaTSruti dhaivata, the jump from S to M also adds to the sense of wonder. Although the ArOhaNa is given as "SMP", it sounds much like "SPMP". "SNDNP" is often used in the rAga. The avarOhaNa is the same as that of amRtavarShiNi. The rAga is uttarAnga pradhAna as it is easier to negotiate the swaras in the uttarAnga.

tyAgarAja has also skillfully harnessed this sense of wonder inherent in the rAga in his kRti, nI cittamu. oDeyar`s kRti is compact and neat. The rAga cannot be elaborated at great length.

meena · Post by **meena** » 13 Apr 2006, 04:18

DRS

nI cittamu is in rAgA dhanyAsi or vijayavasanta?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Apr 2006, 04:36

DRS

nI cittamu is in rAgA dhanyAsi or vijayavasanta?

Meena,
There is another ni cittamu nishchalamu in dhanyasi

BTW does anyone have notation to nI cittamu na bhagyammyya?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Apr 2006, 04:58

According to Prof SRJ 'nee chittamu' is vijayavasantam. he calls this an ekaraga kriti! I wonder whether there is any good soul around who will let me borrow a rendering

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 13 Apr 2006, 06:19

DRS,

I understand that two variations of Vijayavasantha exist-one as a Divyamani janya and another as a Viswambhari janya.If so,will the Gandhara not change?

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 13 Apr 2006, 13:16

DRS
I have a question for you. You said that the jump from Sa to Ma in vijayavasantha gives adbhutha rasa. Would the same apply to raagas like Kunthlavarali?

meena · Post by **meena** » 13 Apr 2006, 23:11

Suji Ram

thanks, i was not aware T composed in raga vijayavasantha.

DRS
thanku for the info.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Apr 2006, 01:40

DRS,

I understand that two variations of Vijayavasantha exist-one as a Divyamani janya and another as a Viswambhari janya.If so,will the Gandhara not change?

Kartik, please give reference for vijayavasanta being considered a janya of divyamaNi. I am not aware of this. R.R.Keshavamurthy does not list a vijayavasanta under divyamaNi.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Apr 2006, 01:46

DRS
I have a question for you. You said that the jump from Sa to Ma in vijayavasantha gives adbhutha rasa. Would the same apply to raagas like Kunthlavarali?

The effect of a swara pattern should not be considered in isolation but with refernce to the context of other swaras and phrases in the rAga. Although each individual swara can and does evoke particular rasas, these effects are modified by association with the other swaras and sancAras in the rAga. kuntakavarALi has more hAsya than adbhuta in it. And dont forget that kuntaLavarALi has Suddha madhyama while vijayavasanta has the prati madhyama.

Meena
Hope you have not missed T`s nI cittamu in vijayavasanta posted on the last page. The link is still active.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Apr 2006, 01:55

Next kRti in kOkilapriya- mAnayata majuLavAgvilAsAm, triSra jhampe tALa

http://rapidshare.de/files/17699640/KVN ... a.ogg.html

(Please feel free to continue discussions on viayavasanta).

meena · Post by **meena** » 14 Apr 2006, 03:26

Oh thanku DRS, i would have missed the clip.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 14 Apr 2006, 04:18

DRS
Thank you for that nice clarification...
Now I got it..

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 14 Apr 2006, 08:19

Here is the link-

http://rapidshare.de/files/17952973/Vij ... ke.rm.html

I think it will be beneficial to add the Kannada announcement too beacuse sometimes the background to the kriti is very nice.And people who understand kannada will love it.

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 14 Apr 2006, 08:20

As a slight digress,I heard Prof SRJ suggest SPMPD~NS/SDaaPMRGmRS as the scale for saranga.Does the S-P jump evoke adbutha?Traditionally Saranga is associated with Hasya,isnt?

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 14 Apr 2006, 22:57

Friends,

Happy Ugadi/Vishu/Baisaki/Good Friday,

DRS,

Thanks for posting kOkilapriya- mAnayata majuLavAgvilAsAm.

After living in nightmare for the last two days (I live in the same area as Raj kumar -kannada film icon who died on wednesday and had to face the mob fury), it was nice to listen to KVN.

As for as vijayavasantha, this is what Dr.Sukanya Prabhakar also says:
As per rAganidhi vijayavasaMta is janya in 54 th vishvaMbhari and as per T.K.govinda Rao it is janya in 48th divyamaNi.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 14 Apr 2006, 23:33

DRS
After listening to Kokilapriya, Kokiladhwani despite its moorhcana sounds so much like Maatha raaga of course with some differences. However, I think now I can say that they have stirking similarites because of
Maatha-Janya relationship..

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 15 Apr 2006, 00:19

Thank you Kartik and Raja chandra for more info about vijayavasanta. Incidentally, both your sources are Dr.Sukanya Prabhakar(It is her speaking in the clip Kartik posted).
It appears that the alternative janya of divyamaNi is one seen only in books, as in practice only the 54th janya is rendered.

Raja Chandra
Glad to hear that you are safe and sound. I did not know you lived in Bangalore, that too Sadashivanagara. Anyway Dr. Rajkumar`s demise was very sad. nenne ella swalpa bEjArAgtittu.The events that followed compounded the sadness!

Kartik
Regarding your query about sAranga, I have already answered it when I clarified Kiran`s doubts.
As for the vijayavasnata clip, if you have the full clip, please post it as it is fro the AIR series.

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 15 Apr 2006, 07:58

Please find the link from the AIR Series

http://rapidshare.de/files/18036350/Vij ... ke.rm.html

meena · Post by **meena** » 15 Apr 2006, 22:49

kartik
thanks for lending us the AIR clip.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 17 Apr 2006, 00:37

DRS
I was listening to VijayaVasantha clip posted by Karthik, Whenever the swaras are were sung in avarohanam it reminds me of Amruthavarshini. Is that because of N3 P M2 G3 combination in the avarohanam in both the raagas?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 01:25

sAhitya of || mAnayata manjuLa ||

rAga:kOkilapriya; trishra jhampe tALa

mAnayata manjuLa vAgvilAsAm mAyAm ||P||

mInAyatAkShIm mAtangIm manOnmanIm |
mangaLakara SrIvidyA mOdinIm antaHkaraNa rUpiNIm antarangiNIm ||AP||

kOmalatara vaktra vijRmbhiNIm hiraNmayIm |
kOkilapriya madhuramitabhAShiNIm cinmayIm |
nirmala bhakta manOllAsinIm mahAlakShmIm |
nIrajAsanAdivinuta harisOdarIm kAmAkShIm ||
karmaj~nAna bOdhinIm nIlakaNTha kuTumbinIm |
dharmAdi sakala puruShArthadAyinIm hariNIm||C||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 01:26

CML
Please explain the word "mAnayata". I will take care of the rest of the sAhitya. Thanks.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Apr 2006, 02:37

The dhatu 'man' (10th class) means to be proud.
mAnayata (second person imperative plural) would mean 'may you (folks) be proud'

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 03:23

Thanks CML
But it does not seem to fit comfortably with vAgvilAsAm(dvitIyA endings). Any alternatives?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Apr 2006, 04:45

I am also puzzled a bit unless there is an entry error. But we can interpret as
mAnayata = may you folks be proud (of her etc.,)
But more appropriately if it was manyata = let you folks think/know (about her)it will make better sense

Of course dvitIya can be used with the imperative
(satyam vada| dharmam cara| etc...)

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 05:03

I think mAnayata is from "mAn"- to respect.
mAnayata manjuLavAgvilAsAm is "Respect Her -----"

Simliar to maitrIm bhajata. (madhyamapuruSha bahuvacana lOTlakAra)Is that ok CML?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Apr 2006, 05:23

That sounds right ; man dhatu means to esteem and the cauaal root is 'mAn' whence mAnayata = let you (folks) be caused to esteem (her etc.,). good!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 06:14

Notes on || mAnayata manjuLa ||
rAga: kOkilapriya; trishra jhampe tALa

mAnayata- mAy you respect/contemplate on;
manjuLavAgvilAsAm- Her with beautiful manner of speech; mAyA.

mInAyatAkShIm- Her with fish-like eyes; mAtangIm; manOnmanIm;
mangaLakara- That which bestows auspiciousness/benevolence;
SrIvidyAmOdinIm- Her Who takes pleasure in SrIvidyA;
antaHkaraNa rUpiNIm- Her in the form of the antaHkaraNa/conscience;
antarangiNIm- Her Who is the soul.

kOmalatara vaktra vijRmbhiNIm- Her Who shines with a delicate/soft face/mouth;
hiraNmayIm- Her with a golden complexion;
kOkilapriya madhura mita bhAShiNIm- Her of sweet and sparing words/ speech that is endearing to(even to) the cuckoo;
cinmayIm- Her WHo is the embodiment of cit/knowledge/power of reflection;
nirmala bhakta manOllAsinIm- Her Who sports/dallies in the minds of pure devotees;
mahAlakShmIm;
nIrajAsana Adi vinuta harisOdarIm- That sister of hari(viShNu) Who is worshipped by brahma et al; kAmAkShIm;
karma j~nAna bOdhinIm- Her Who teaches knowledge of ones karmas and their consequences (creates awareness);
nIlakaNTha kuTumbinIm- The wife of ISvara(nIlakaNTha);
dharmAdi sakala puruShArtha dAyinIm- Her Who grants the 4 puruShArthas of dharma, artha, kAma and mOkSha; hariNIm.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Apr 2006, 20:16

DRS

The dhatu 'man' (to esteem/respect) is used only in atmanEpada. Hence one should use 'manudhvaM' (may you reaspect). But he has used the causative (Nijanta) here which leads to 'mAnayata' meaning 'may you be caused to respect' which almost is like the AshIrli~N (benedictive).

nIlakaNTha kuTumbinIm has a more subtle meaning than just the partner of shiva. 'kuTumbinI' means the mistress (manageress) of the shiva group of families; in other words she is the head of the family and shiva is a member of the family1

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 18 Apr 2006, 17:03

Does anyone have a vocal rendition of Thyagaraja's Dasarathe in Kokilapriya ? Could someone post it...

Thanks

Srivathsan

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 20 Apr 2006, 06:49

Tyagaraja's Kokilapriya
http://rapidshare.de/files/18453582/047 ... an.rm.html

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 20 Apr 2006, 11:39

Thanks a lot for the song, Kartik.

Srivathsan

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 20 Apr 2006, 14:05

Cheers karthik..