The MSS of those days - Papa chudamani

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 09 Apr 2008, 17:08

Hello Friends,
I'm new to this website. Basically A Thavil Artist and presently learning Mridangam.
Recently I heard a recording from AIR Bangalore.
The singer was Papa Chudamani with the Title " MSS of those days". What a marvelous and melodious piece of singing. You can't make out the difference between this and the MSS singing.
They announced that, Papa chudamani was the most talented singer and unfortunately died in the age of 38.
Those days recording facility was not available - A sad story.

Do you have any info on Papa chudamani. Please reply.

Ramnath Iyer · Post by **Ramnath Iyer** » 10 Apr 2008, 06:07

Venu,
welcome to the forum. Good to see a thavil artist amongst us too !!

I have heard that NC Vasanthakokilam was a contender to MSS in those days and she died young too. Haven't heard of Papa Chudamani...did she hail from Karnataka ?

Ramnath

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 10 Apr 2008, 10:27

Dear Ramnath, Thanks for the reply. I will try to get additional details on Papa chudamani. Thanks.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 10 Apr 2008, 11:59

Two articles containing some information on Papa Choodamani...

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2008/02/22/stor ... 200200.htm
http://www.sooryadance.com/html/Kasthur ... ushma.html

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:08

Thanks srKris.
But tell me how did you manage to search these.
I tried through Google several times but no use. Please sugegst me some methods for searching.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:12

Venu: I just searched Google with "papa choodamani" and the first two links it gave were same as srikris.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:17

Venu - you need to try alternative spellings of names!

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:20

Yes, Venu must have searched "Chudamani" instead of "Choodamani"

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 10 Apr 2008, 19:03

While those links mention her name in passing (her Guru's name - Ambi Bhagavatar, and the fact that she performed in Kerala), I do not think that they answer Ramnath's question!

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 11 Apr 2008, 03:31

Ever since this topic appeared in Rasika, some thing triggered my memory and my childhood days. I realised that I knew this name but just could not figure it out. I was probably 6 or 7 then and living in Katpadi. And then it struck me that this had some thing to do with my anna, Easwaran. He was probably about 8 those days. His teacher, Sri Kuniseri Krishnamani Iyer used to mention in this name often. So I approached Easwaran, currently in US. This is what he wrote back....

"My Guru Sri. Kuniseri U. Krishnamani Iyer Used to play for her when both were in Bangalore. He used to speak very highly of her ability in singing slow tempo songs, with clear pronounciation and clarity. She was very good in singing RTP, swara singing too. I used to go with my guru for her concerts."

My little contribution on this subject.

Sam

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 11 Apr 2008, 04:11

In Early days My guru always talks very high of Papachudamani.I played mridangam for her concert when I was very young. Her voice was like NC Vasanthakokilam and MSS.

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 11 Apr 2008, 04:45

There you go guys.....I have dragged Anna into the forum as well....

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 11 Apr 2008, 05:31

Easwaran sir, What an honour to have you here with us on this forum!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2008, 05:44

Indeed! We are honoured Easwaran Sir! A real red-carpet Welcome to you!

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 11 Apr 2008, 06:18

Venu

One request to you...you say in your submit that you heard a tape of Papa Chudamani from AIR Bangalore...would you be able to find out who were the accompanists? Grateful for your help. Sam

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 11 Apr 2008, 06:45

Sam
I am afraid I have to catch you here in some other thread.i am not sure about the thread where you made the request for Chembai's speech in Parveens concert.Here it is
http://rapidshare.com/files/106518259/0 ... een_ma.mp3.
The parveen bit in the thread on Vocalists Octave range is the khayal that followed this speech.

Eswaran Sir...Namaskarams.and Welcome.Waiting eagerly for the earliest opportunity for a cup of coffee in your home.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2008, 06:49

We are honored...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Apr 2008, 07:08

Eswaran Sir: Welcome to the forum. What a great surprise!! Thanks for the information about Papa Choodamani.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2008, 07:31

Was she very young when she started singing? Was Papa her pet name or did it stand for 'Baby'? It was the custom to call a child artiste 'Baby so and so'. (Example: Baby Kamala, the dancer. When she grew up, she became Kumari. Kamala).
Papa Choodamani was well known but I do not remember what she looked like.

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 11 Apr 2008, 08:31

Thanks to all members.You are all welcome to my house , and we can have nice time talking about music.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 11 Apr 2008, 08:50

My mother (who is in her 70s) is still called Papa by her family members!

Nice to have you here Easwaran Sir! See you in Sydney in June.

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 11 Apr 2008, 09:38

Sam,
Since we donot have online with AIR and also I'm not sure of retreiving the details by phone. I need to visit AIR Banagalore. Please give me some time.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Apr 2008, 09:55

My mother (who is in her 70s) is still called Papa by her family members!

One of my cousins who is in her early 70s is also called Papa. Not just by her elders but by all of us too. We had an uncle who was called Papa but we addressed him as Papa Chithappa

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 11 Apr 2008, 10:12

Welcome Sri Easwran sir.

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 11 Apr 2008, 10:17

Namate Eswaran sir.

Can someone brief me the biography of Eswaran Sir?

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 11 Apr 2008, 11:32

Venu wrote:Can someone brief me the biography of Eswaran Sir?

See http://www.mannargudiaeaswaran.com/

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 11 Apr 2008, 11:43

Ramnath Iyer wrote:I have heard that NC Vasanthakokilam was a contender to MSS in those days and she died young too. Haven't heard of Papa Chudamani...did she hail from Karnataka ?
Ramnath

From the various posts it appears that Papa Choodamani hailed from Kerala. Is my assumption right?

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 11 Apr 2008, 11:44

i am indeed overwhelmed by your sincere words. I really like and appreciate all your contributions in various threads. I am really amased at depth of knowledge .
and your involvement in the various aspects of our glorious music. Some of the information on the site are indeed new to me and I am , that much richer by such knowledge. I on my part , time permitting , will do my best to enliven your discussions where ever possible .
Kulkerniji ...you as well other Rasika members are always welcome to my humble house where we can sharea cup of coffee over some interesting aspects of music . I have also not forgotten my promise to hold in my house.

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 11 Apr 2008, 11:45

venu ..please see web site mannargudiaeaswaran.com

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 11 Apr 2008, 11:47

I have also not forgotten to hold a private concert in my house.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 11 Apr 2008, 16:45

Sri Easwaran,

Welcome! Welcome! Welcome!

We look forward to your enlightening comments, views, and if at all possible, reviews from your 'ring-side' vantage point.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 11 Apr 2008, 19:42

Shri Easwaran Sir

Namaskaram and welcome to this forum. I thoroughly enjoyed your playing as well as your thoughts (during the open session) at Cleveland this year.

Arun

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2008, 21:39

We are indeed blessed to have the attention and input from our most revered Vidvaans of CM. We are equally fortunate to have Coolkarni as the guardian angel who brings out the best from the vidvaans and shares his precious collections (and yes recollections!) with all of us. This Rasika Forum is indeed one happy Family! Let us keep it as such!

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 13 Apr 2008, 13:39

Eashwaran sir, we are indeed honoured to have you on this forum!

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 13 Apr 2008, 14:03

Warm welcome to Shri Easwaran.

manakkalsriram · Post by **manakkalsriram** » 13 Apr 2008, 16:57

He is not Mannargudi Easwaran. He is 'NANDEASWARAN'.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 13 Apr 2008, 17:01

Saashtanga namaskarams to Easwaran sir! We are all so privileged to have him on this forum.
Sir, do share with us your knowledge and insights into various aspects of music.

easwaranmridangam · Post by **easwaranmridangam** » 14 Apr 2008, 08:09

I am indeed overwhelmed by your sincere words of welcome. I really like and appreciate all your contributions in various threads. I am really amazed at the depth of knowledge and your involvement in the various aspects of our glorious music. Some of the information on the site are indeed new to me and I am that much richer by such knowledge. I, on my part, time permitting, will do my best to enliven your discussions where ever possible. Kulkarniji...you, as well as other Rasika members are always welcome to my humble house where we can share a cup of coffee over some interesting aspects of our music. I have also not forgotten my promise to you to hold a private concert in my house."

you can visit my website www.mannargudiaeaswaran.com for more details.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 14 Apr 2008, 09:23

Namaskaram,Eswaran Sir.
Will get in touch with you over phone ,for a suitable weekend evening date in the first half of June.
right now I am busy flat hunting(for rent).member rasikas can refer my application to prospective landlords in the zone from RA Puram to Adyar stretching to Velachery.and contact me through email.
I promise to be a cool tenant.

rajeeram · Post by **rajeeram** » 14 Apr 2008, 21:41

coolkarniji,
Your house-hunting could probably benefit from the Chennai-house-renting experience in this article:)

http://krishashok.wordpress.com/2008/04 ... e-tambram/

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 14 Apr 2008, 22:06

rajeeram

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Apr 2008, 23:29

wow!
I wish it IS TRUE

(speaking from my non-whilte (pAki if you like

)non-christian experience of finding an apartment for my family at conservative Canada 40 years ago

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 15 Apr 2008, 02:00

Or my experience in finding a flat in New Delhi as a bachelor boy in the 70s. While being a south indian brahmin boy was a distinct advantage, being a bachelor was not...and unfortunately, our little ( a few friends joining together) sketch where I requested a friend to act as my wife for a day ( 2 hours precisely) did not work out either. After a week of occupation, the landlord, a punjabi gentleman, asked the where abouts of my "wife" and all I could do was to stutter and stammer. The cat of was out of the bag and so was I, out of the flat !!