Can somebody please respond to my posting on Arabhi...apprec

radhika108 · Post by **radhika108** » 06 Nov 2007, 15:16

I am reposting my query:

Hello,
I am trying to learn the Arabhi raga and find 2 things mindboggling:

1. The jump from S(upper) to D2 ( cannot sing it at third speed withoout sounding squeaky)
2. The frequency of M- is this/can be sung with the same gamaka(PaGaMa) as in Sankarabharanam as this is a janya of Sankarabharanam.

Your comments would help a lot.

Thanks

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 07 Nov 2007, 00:18

can experts help here?

radhika - I am certainly no expert and this is a guess for #2: since ga is an alpa swara, and it is s-r-m in arohana , I think ma (on ascent) may be commonly flat (following a ri that takes gamaka) or take a deeper gamaka with ri.

Arun

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 07 Nov 2007, 16:38

Radhika, sorry missed this earlier. Ideally this should be in raga talk. I'm no expert either...

1) Upper Sa to Tara Sthayi D2 or Madhya D2?...if the former, it is OK to squeak/whatever - this is out of normal range for most people. If the latter, it would be a dive and not a jump....besides you would have to brish past the nishadam so you don't have a huge discrete interval to tackle - it is a quicly glide from N3 to S' and back to D2 really

2) The gamaka is not similar to Sankarabharam - that would make it similar to Yadukulakambhoji. Mu understanding is that it is a realtively straight note sung with a stress towards P in the aarohanam and gently in the avarohanam

radhika108 · Post by **radhika108** » 07 Nov 2007, 17:18

Thanks Arunk and Vijay,

If possible and if you have audio files for these dives and thrills, it would be nice to hear and learn from. Nevertheless thanks a bunch. BTW, I found some Wikipedia entry on Arabhi which was quite useful and rather technical to be found on wiki. I am giving the link here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabhi

Sorry about the posting in the wrong index.

Cheers:)

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 08 Nov 2007, 12:47

Thanks Radhika

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 17 Nov 2007, 09:27

Can some one help me with the lyrics for "Kalyana Gopalam" composed by Narayana Theerthar

googoo · Post by **googoo** » 20 Nov 2007, 13:26

The frequency of M- is this/can be sung with the same gamaka(PaGaMa) as in Sankarabharanam as this is a janya of Sankarabharanam.

janya ragas only inherit notes from parent ragas, not gamakams

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 20 Nov 2007, 21:15

googoo, generalizing further is it fair to say that there are ragas and melas. Melas are not ragas but just scales and so do not have gamaka and prayoga definitions. So Dheerashankarabaranam is the name of the Mela and Shankarabaranam is the name of the raga.

radhika108 · Post by **radhika108** » 22 Nov 2007, 14:57

googoo,
correct me if I am wrong.
Does not the mela raga give a hint of the prayogams, like I would think when I hear a raga, it belongs to so and so mela. Adding further, I would think that the Mohana in Mohana kalyani is more derived from Kalyani mela- notice this when we sing it- if we sing it at the pitch of Harikambodhi, there seems to be a break in continuity.

arvindt · Post by **arvindt** » 22 Nov 2007, 22:45

I tend to agree with vk -- melas are only a classification scheme and have nothing to do with prayogas/gamakas in a raga. This was always their original intention. It is a different matter that the classification scheme itself has inspired the discovery of new ragas: Kharaharapriya being the prime example, as well as the compositions of MD in all the 72 mela ragas: there MD's intention being to give these scales a life.

In the example you mentioned I would like to think of Mohana Kalyani having hints of Kalyani/swarasthanams of Kalyani because that's what makes the raga pleasing to hear and maintains continuity with the Kalyani like phrases on the way down, as opposed to this being explained by the raga being classified under Kalyani. It's a different matter that the raga Mohana Kalyani itself may have been inspired by the mela scheme (is that true?), but once we have the raga, there is no need to use the mela scheme to explain why it sounds a particular way -- at least that's my opinion, though it may be a minor distinction not worth arguing about. The distinction becomes important for rakti ragas like Arabhi etcetera which existed long before the mela classification scheme was developed -- in this case, it would be very wrong to use the mela as a hint to fill in prayogas for Arabhi.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 06 Feb 2008, 08:12

radhika108 wrote:I am reposting my query:

Hello,
I am trying to learn the Arabhi raga and find 2 things mindboggling:

1. The jump from S(upper) to D2 ( cannot sing it at third speed withoout sounding squeaky)
2. The frequency of M- is this/can be sung with the same gamaka(PaGaMa) as in Sankarabharanam as this is a janya of Sankarabharanam.

Your comments would help a lot.

Thanks

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mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 06 Feb 2008, 11:04

whoops!

at first I thought it was sri VK raman, a noted flautist who was posting, but apparently there are two!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 07 Feb 2008, 19:29

kalyANa gOpAlam. rAgA: kAmavardhani. Adi tALA. Composer: Narayana Tirtha.

1: kalyANa gOpAlam karuNAlavAlam mAlyAlankrta mITE madanagOpAlam
2: amara nArI gItam Agamavikitam amita bhAgyObhAdam AsharayE anantam
3: sakala jagatkAraNam satya kAmAdi guNam bhrtya samrakSaNam bhava bandha mOkSaNam
4: muraLI saraLa gAnam muni brndAdInam sharaNAgata pAlanam sharadindu vadanam
5: bhava timira ghana bhAnum bhakta kAmadhEnum shiva nArAyaNa tIrtha shIghrAvara dAnam

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 14 Feb 2008, 07:08

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Thanks again.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 14 Feb 2008, 07:39

Can someone help me with the Lyrics for abhang?

PAVLO PANDHARI

Thanks in advance for the help.