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hello.
a lot of people here do not know how to plan a dance arangetram and how it should be done in a 'proper' way. as i am no expert in this matter i would like to ask you people. arangetrams here, do not look like 'real' arangetrams, dancers sometimes dont even wear bullocks, surya-chandra, or the traditional plat. invitations just specify the date and venue nothing more. on-stage speeches are a disaster!! i dont understand whether people have become too modernised or that they are ignorant???!!!
please let me know mainly:
1. what should be spoken on stage and by whom (introduction, about dances, thanks,...). any examples if possible.
2. when is it appropriate to call chief guests and guests of honour. what would be appropriate to gift them?
3. when should the dakshinas/gifts be given? can it be given by a child or not?
theses above three are very important. if you think there are any other specifications about the arangetram please feel free to add your comments - they'll be of great help to people like us who live in an isolated part of the world!!!
thank you very much.
gnjb
a lot of people here do not know how to plan a dance arangetram and how it should be done in a 'proper' way. as i am no expert in this matter i would like to ask you people. arangetrams here, do not look like 'real' arangetrams, dancers sometimes dont even wear bullocks, surya-chandra, or the traditional plat. invitations just specify the date and venue nothing more. on-stage speeches are a disaster!! i dont understand whether people have become too modernised or that they are ignorant???!!!
please let me know mainly:
1. what should be spoken on stage and by whom (introduction, about dances, thanks,...). any examples if possible.
2. when is it appropriate to call chief guests and guests of honour. what would be appropriate to gift them?
3. when should the dakshinas/gifts be given? can it be given by a child or not?
theses above three are very important. if you think there are any other specifications about the arangetram please feel free to add your comments - they'll be of great help to people like us who live in an isolated part of the world!!!
thank you very much.
gnjb
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The dance scene has been changing rapidly--both in India and abroad. New ideas bring in new ways in costumes. Kalakshetra has always concentrated on the art and has rejected glittering costumes which could distract one's attention from the content of the performance. Balasaraswathi and a few others danced on stage in such simple dress one would only see in rehearsals now. Glamorous costumes are a cinematic influence which came with those who danced/acted in films.
Ravi is the right person to answer many of your questions. All I know is that they wore and some still wear bullAkkus (nose ornament). I haven't heard of a 'rishabhA', even as an item of jewelry!
Ravi is the right person to answer many of your questions. All I know is that they wore and some still wear bullAkkus (nose ornament). I haven't heard of a 'rishabhA', even as an item of jewelry!
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It is necessary for each person/family to arrange their priorities.
Among the items on that list, culture, music and dance will figure. But so will family, society, status, exhibition --- possibly even the suspicion that, as their child becomes ever-more westernised through school and university, they may not even have the satisfaction of a big wedding within their own culture in the future. The arangetram may even be the last, rather than the first, major stage appearance for many young European dancers. Thus the tens of thousands of pounds spent on arangetrams in London, when they could be done modestly (a few are) in a small hall.
I was talking to the father of a youngster shortly to give an arangetram (although not a dance one) in London a few years ago, and expressing my hope that there should not be too many long speeches. He agreed entirely, saying that, for him, it was, and should be, about the music, but he had to fight the rest of his family who wanted every family member and big name they could get behind that microphone.
The speeches were few and moderate. Afterwards, he met me with a big grin, saying, "You see! I got my way!".
Regrettably many families do not even get as far as having the conversation, feeling that they are outdone in some way if they do not follow what is becoming the norm.
Perhaps there is no correct or incorrect, and we should not be too quick to judge those 'priorities'. For many, it is just as much about family and reunion as it is about art. Perhaps the very fact of a diaspora, particularly of a refugee diaspora, in the case of the Sri Lankan Tamils around the world, makes this inevitable.
Please excuse me for having answered none of your questions [blush].
Among the items on that list, culture, music and dance will figure. But so will family, society, status, exhibition --- possibly even the suspicion that, as their child becomes ever-more westernised through school and university, they may not even have the satisfaction of a big wedding within their own culture in the future. The arangetram may even be the last, rather than the first, major stage appearance for many young European dancers. Thus the tens of thousands of pounds spent on arangetrams in London, when they could be done modestly (a few are) in a small hall.
I was talking to the father of a youngster shortly to give an arangetram (although not a dance one) in London a few years ago, and expressing my hope that there should not be too many long speeches. He agreed entirely, saying that, for him, it was, and should be, about the music, but he had to fight the rest of his family who wanted every family member and big name they could get behind that microphone.
The speeches were few and moderate. Afterwards, he met me with a big grin, saying, "You see! I got my way!".
Regrettably many families do not even get as far as having the conversation, feeling that they are outdone in some way if they do not follow what is becoming the norm.
Perhaps there is no correct or incorrect, and we should not be too quick to judge those 'priorities'. For many, it is just as much about family and reunion as it is about art. Perhaps the very fact of a diaspora, particularly of a refugee diaspora, in the case of the Sri Lankan Tamils around the world, makes this inevitable.
Please excuse me for having answered none of your questions [blush].
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These are just some suggestions based on what I've observed from attending arangetrams and having my own:
1. There is usually an MC who presides over the function. Make sure you select someone who not only communicates well, but is knowledgeable about dance. The MC for my arangetram was a dancer herself and her performed her arangetram a few years earlier. The introduction can be done by the MC or one or both of the parents. The vote of thanks often comes from the father of the dancer, but really can be done by whoever is able to thank the most people in the least amount of time without sounding ungrateful.
I find the vote of thanks to be the most painful of the speeches, since people just can't seem to stop.
2. Choose 1 or 2 guests and let them speak before the Thillana. That way, they have watched a great deal of dancing and have something on which to comment.
3. The gifts are usually given after the speeches, just before the Thillana. And yes, on several occasions (actually, most of the time), I have seen people being gifted by other children or the dancer him/herself. It depends on whether the person you are gifting is Indian or not. It is customary to give saris for the women and veshtis for the men, although I suppose in the western world, a nice shawl or sweater would do. In general, it is usually some sort of clothing along with flowers, but I have seen other small gifts being given (a table clock, for example).
The vote of thanks, speeches, and gifts are all often clumped together after the padams and before the thillana, which allows the audience at least a good half hour for a nap. I've seen some people try to split this up by introducing the orchestra early on in the program and quickly handing out the gifts after the speeches. Some may also split the speeches up (stick one in between padams) if there is more than one guest of honor. Pair that with a short musical interlude and you have time for a costume change, if need be.
1. There is usually an MC who presides over the function. Make sure you select someone who not only communicates well, but is knowledgeable about dance. The MC for my arangetram was a dancer herself and her performed her arangetram a few years earlier. The introduction can be done by the MC or one or both of the parents. The vote of thanks often comes from the father of the dancer, but really can be done by whoever is able to thank the most people in the least amount of time without sounding ungrateful.

2. Choose 1 or 2 guests and let them speak before the Thillana. That way, they have watched a great deal of dancing and have something on which to comment.
3. The gifts are usually given after the speeches, just before the Thillana. And yes, on several occasions (actually, most of the time), I have seen people being gifted by other children or the dancer him/herself. It depends on whether the person you are gifting is Indian or not. It is customary to give saris for the women and veshtis for the men, although I suppose in the western world, a nice shawl or sweater would do. In general, it is usually some sort of clothing along with flowers, but I have seen other small gifts being given (a table clock, for example).
The vote of thanks, speeches, and gifts are all often clumped together after the padams and before the thillana, which allows the audience at least a good half hour for a nap. I've seen some people try to split this up by introducing the orchestra early on in the program and quickly handing out the gifts after the speeches. Some may also split the speeches up (stick one in between padams) if there is more than one guest of honor. Pair that with a short musical interlude and you have time for a costume change, if need be.
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arasiji and nickji, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. umeshji, thanks for your explanations - chief guests/guests of honour seem to be in a rush these days...in lot of shows/arangetrams here they are called after the varnam and immediately leave after. some stay for courtesy's sake... so it very confusing for me...my daughter's arangetram will be held this december in india - therefore i would like it to take the best form.
what would an intro speech include? - about dancer, teacher, etc? something else?
please excuse me for these questions - i am very unaware of all this. answers to these questions are probably very obvious to most of you.
what would an intro speech include? - about dancer, teacher, etc? something else?
please excuse me for these questions - i am very unaware of all this. answers to these questions are probably very obvious to most of you.
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Revathy Shankaran is popular and I have seen her MC in Tamil 'cos the parents intended it to be so.She is very approachable and also knowledgible .I have also seen lot of a young comperes who are enchanting.If you have anyone in India ask them to attend a few Arangetrams and look at the MCs.Then you may have a few choices.Pay more attention to the performance of the child itself .
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Ahh... so the enquiry was not just a theoretical one.
I've sat through dozens of arangetrams in London, and I am thankful to the community there that I spent so many enjoyable evenings. Yes, I was bored by some of the speeches, but remind myself that, after all, I was there as a guest.
Apart from the wider picture that I have tried to comment on, I will try to offer what practical tips I can, based on my observations.
MC... I guess these days it is better to stick to one language only; it really is a time-waster to repeat everything. You cannot please all of the people! I think the language should be the local language, unless very many of your guests are from abroad. I have seen many arangetrams very ably MCed by an elder sister or some other family member. I have done it myself, once, for the mridangam arangetram of a friend.
There tends to be a Chief Guest and one or more Guests of Honour.
Here is a good point on language made to me by a chief guest, a dancer, on her speech at one arangetram: I asked her why she had given it in English, and she said because one of the Guests of Honour were English, otherwise she would have spoken in Tamil. I thought this was an excellent point.
Make sure people understand what is and what is not expected of them. For instance... If your chief guest is a dancer, let them cover the program and speak about what and how she performed. Other speakers may be knowledgeable; ask them please not to do this as it is assigned to someone else. Hopefuly you may then have two or three speakers giving different speeches and not covering the same ground. This will help to keep your audience's interest.
There is one strange phenomenon. I have seen it happen over and over, very often involving the same people....
One speech is finished. The MC comes to the microphone and says, "I'd like to call Mr X to the stage". Mr X is sitting in the front row, acts like this is a complete surprise (just like it was the last few hundred times he was called
), takes a minute to get used to the idea, another three to unlace his shoes, and then wanders up to the stage. Have your speakers ready. I learnt this one from my mridangam guruji, who tries to implement it at his student's arangetrams. It was part of my job that day that I MCed to get these people prepared at the right time. Make sure that all your speakers understand basic mic technique, and have the mic hight and position adjusted for them when they come on stage.
If the speeches seem long, gaps between them can make them seem even longer! The combined gaps can add ten or twenty minutes. This is not just for the audience; ultimately, you have a hall that you are contracted to leave by a set time. You will have been under huge pressure and hard work of preparation; you can do without being chased at the end because you have run late.
I coined a saying: man approaching mic with one sheet of notes, good; man approaching mic with twenty sheets of notes, worrying; man approaching mic with no notes, terrifying!
The London arangetram machine is pretty finely oiled. I've heard it said there are more there than in any other city outside India. I've learnt some things from the mistakes that still get made, and tried to pass on something useful. If I think of anything else...
Well, I read your posts again, before submitting, and I'd missed the point that your event is to be held in India. I wrote stuff that applies to Europe, which I've deleted, but maybe some of what's left may still suffer from that misunderstanding.
If your daughter's arangetram is in Chennai, I hope that I get to see it. Very best wishes for the event.
I've sat through dozens of arangetrams in London, and I am thankful to the community there that I spent so many enjoyable evenings. Yes, I was bored by some of the speeches, but remind myself that, after all, I was there as a guest.
Apart from the wider picture that I have tried to comment on, I will try to offer what practical tips I can, based on my observations.
MC... I guess these days it is better to stick to one language only; it really is a time-waster to repeat everything. You cannot please all of the people! I think the language should be the local language, unless very many of your guests are from abroad. I have seen many arangetrams very ably MCed by an elder sister or some other family member. I have done it myself, once, for the mridangam arangetram of a friend.
There tends to be a Chief Guest and one or more Guests of Honour.
Here is a good point on language made to me by a chief guest, a dancer, on her speech at one arangetram: I asked her why she had given it in English, and she said because one of the Guests of Honour were English, otherwise she would have spoken in Tamil. I thought this was an excellent point.
Make sure people understand what is and what is not expected of them. For instance... If your chief guest is a dancer, let them cover the program and speak about what and how she performed. Other speakers may be knowledgeable; ask them please not to do this as it is assigned to someone else. Hopefuly you may then have two or three speakers giving different speeches and not covering the same ground. This will help to keep your audience's interest.
There is one strange phenomenon. I have seen it happen over and over, very often involving the same people....
One speech is finished. The MC comes to the microphone and says, "I'd like to call Mr X to the stage". Mr X is sitting in the front row, acts like this is a complete surprise (just like it was the last few hundred times he was called

If the speeches seem long, gaps between them can make them seem even longer! The combined gaps can add ten or twenty minutes. This is not just for the audience; ultimately, you have a hall that you are contracted to leave by a set time. You will have been under huge pressure and hard work of preparation; you can do without being chased at the end because you have run late.
I coined a saying: man approaching mic with one sheet of notes, good; man approaching mic with twenty sheets of notes, worrying; man approaching mic with no notes, terrifying!
The London arangetram machine is pretty finely oiled. I've heard it said there are more there than in any other city outside India. I've learnt some things from the mistakes that still get made, and tried to pass on something useful. If I think of anything else...
Well, I read your posts again, before submitting, and I'd missed the point that your event is to be held in India. I wrote stuff that applies to Europe, which I've deleted, but maybe some of what's left may still suffer from that misunderstanding.
If your daughter's arangetram is in Chennai, I hope that I get to see it. Very best wishes for the event.
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GNJB,
Best wishes to your daughter!
arangETram in chennai - makes me fervently hope (for your daughter's sake) that it will be in air-conditioned comfort!
I apologize in advance for the length of the post.
Regarding the outfits and jewelry, the standard is changing so much that I have to quote Sri Unnikrishnan - 'today's innovation is tomorrow's tradition'. The concept of a tailored bharatanATyam (pyjama style) was NEW when Smt RDA collaborated with an Italian seamstress to design it for her own arangETram, and is thus just 70-80 years old. Prior to that, sarees were used (as you can see in very badly reproduced pictures in a brochure brought out by the MMA to commemorate E. Krishna Iyer's contribution to the preservation of this art form). I am not sure when stitched sArI like outfits or pAvADai outfits were created, but they seem to have caught on quickly.
The jewelry is an extension of typical bridal jewelry - a part of the ancient dEvadAsi tradition that seems to have been retained even today for the most part, for the dancers were brides of God. The bride/dancer wore talai sAmAn - the candra and sUrya prabha to receive blessings from the Sun and Moon; the netti cuTTi to symbolise symmetry in the dance form; mATTal to cover the ears and protect them from loud noises and ensure that they listen to the tALam in a focused manner. The long snake-like braid was to emphasize another line of symmetry, and also to symbolize that if true nATya yOgA is practiced, the serpentine kunDalini will be awakened. The bangles are to 'strengthen' the wrists supposedly - and the anklets, in addition to show how well the dancer is keeping time, are supposed to protect the ankles. The oDiyANam is to emphasize the 'tuDi iDai'. I have not seen any reason for a dancer to wear nose rings and specifically bullAkku etc...
Now, since traditional bridal apparel is undergoing a sea of change even as we read this posting, why shouldn't the dancer's attire as well? I think the only caveat is that the dancer be presented in an esthetically pleasing way.
MC: Only suggestion would be to have the person go over what they have to read out well in advance and not pretend like they are looking at it for the first time. And I hope they get the pronunciation right - in introducing 'naTanam ADinAr' in a recent recital, the MC waxed eloquent about SivA's mated locks - which begged the question, 'what was the product of that mating?'..
Best wishes to your daughter!
arangETram in chennai - makes me fervently hope (for your daughter's sake) that it will be in air-conditioned comfort!
I apologize in advance for the length of the post.
Regarding the outfits and jewelry, the standard is changing so much that I have to quote Sri Unnikrishnan - 'today's innovation is tomorrow's tradition'. The concept of a tailored bharatanATyam (pyjama style) was NEW when Smt RDA collaborated with an Italian seamstress to design it for her own arangETram, and is thus just 70-80 years old. Prior to that, sarees were used (as you can see in very badly reproduced pictures in a brochure brought out by the MMA to commemorate E. Krishna Iyer's contribution to the preservation of this art form). I am not sure when stitched sArI like outfits or pAvADai outfits were created, but they seem to have caught on quickly.
The jewelry is an extension of typical bridal jewelry - a part of the ancient dEvadAsi tradition that seems to have been retained even today for the most part, for the dancers were brides of God. The bride/dancer wore talai sAmAn - the candra and sUrya prabha to receive blessings from the Sun and Moon; the netti cuTTi to symbolise symmetry in the dance form; mATTal to cover the ears and protect them from loud noises and ensure that they listen to the tALam in a focused manner. The long snake-like braid was to emphasize another line of symmetry, and also to symbolize that if true nATya yOgA is practiced, the serpentine kunDalini will be awakened. The bangles are to 'strengthen' the wrists supposedly - and the anklets, in addition to show how well the dancer is keeping time, are supposed to protect the ankles. The oDiyANam is to emphasize the 'tuDi iDai'. I have not seen any reason for a dancer to wear nose rings and specifically bullAkku etc...
Now, since traditional bridal apparel is undergoing a sea of change even as we read this posting, why shouldn't the dancer's attire as well? I think the only caveat is that the dancer be presented in an esthetically pleasing way.
MC: Only suggestion would be to have the person go over what they have to read out well in advance and not pretend like they are looking at it for the first time. And I hope they get the pronunciation right - in introducing 'naTanam ADinAr' in a recent recital, the MC waxed eloquent about SivA's mated locks - which begged the question, 'what was the product of that mating?'..

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We would love to attend but for the fact that we are far away.Try if it is possible to give a streaming video (recorded)thru Kutcheri buzz.We would be delighted to view it.Relax and enjoy your daughter's Arangetram .With God's grace everything will just be fine.
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Hello. Why isn't anybody answering the questions directly??????? Everybody is shifting off the topic and queries asked by Shri/Smt Gnjb. Sorry I cannot help you with the questions Gnjb-ji. But hope someone atleast answers your questions directly after seeing my post. Best of Luck for your daughter.
Best regards,
Abhinaya
Best regards,
Abhinaya
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dear GNJB-ji, regarding your question on MCs.
Revathy Aunty is a good suggestion, but she herself is a busy srtiste. So it would be advisable to go in for someone young and energetic, as per your daughter's request.
If you are particular that you want a good tamil MC, my suggestion would be Krishna kumar, who is a student of Prof CV chandrasekhar. I have seen him compere on many occassions, He is good. Being a dancer-teacher himself and quite proficient with the tamil language, he can do a good job. but the thing is, maybe he will expect a payment, the terms of which I am not aware.
If you want someone who does both in Tamil and english, then Srikanth( a Disciple of Dr Padma Subramaniam) is really good. He is also a busy artiste and with the arangetram during the december season, you may have to see if he is available.
As to their contact details, I do not have it with me, but can get it for you ASAP.
If these dont work for you, You may contact ABHAI( Association of Bharathanatyam Artistes of India) who have a member list of people who can MC ( some are even professionals). I am sure they can help you out.
Revathy Aunty is a good suggestion, but she herself is a busy srtiste. So it would be advisable to go in for someone young and energetic, as per your daughter's request.
If you are particular that you want a good tamil MC, my suggestion would be Krishna kumar, who is a student of Prof CV chandrasekhar. I have seen him compere on many occassions, He is good. Being a dancer-teacher himself and quite proficient with the tamil language, he can do a good job. but the thing is, maybe he will expect a payment, the terms of which I am not aware.
If you want someone who does both in Tamil and english, then Srikanth( a Disciple of Dr Padma Subramaniam) is really good. He is also a busy artiste and with the arangetram during the december season, you may have to see if he is available.
As to their contact details, I do not have it with me, but can get it for you ASAP.
If these dont work for you, You may contact ABHAI( Association of Bharathanatyam Artistes of India) who have a member list of people who can MC ( some are even professionals). I am sure they can help you out.
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Abhinaya,
I think gnjb has enough information now to go on. You speak about drifting away from the topic. I would say, the forum is not an information booth (just as it is not merely a downloading facility!).
It is amazing how many members are ready to offer their suggestions here. Just as in life, not all helpful hints make the mark. That's all.
Personally, I am amazed at the willingness and interest with which members are prepared to share what they know, in spite of their busy lives...
I think gnjb has enough information now to go on. You speak about drifting away from the topic. I would say, the forum is not an information booth (just as it is not merely a downloading facility!).
It is amazing how many members are ready to offer their suggestions here. Just as in life, not all helpful hints make the mark. That's all.
Personally, I am amazed at the willingness and interest with which members are prepared to share what they know, in spite of their busy lives...
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abhinaya... we are doing our best! I do assure you that if I were able to give straight answers to the questions then I would have done so. As, I am sure, would other posters.
We are all trying not only to be useful, but to be interesting as well.
It is sometimes frustrating, in any conversation, not to have specifics of enquiry satisfied, but I sincerely hope that gnjb is happy to read what we have given so far (maybe more is to come...).
I do feel that, if I were organising a first arangetram, I would find it useful.
We are all trying not only to be useful, but to be interesting as well.
It is sometimes frustrating, in any conversation, not to have specifics of enquiry satisfied, but I sincerely hope that gnjb is happy to read what we have given so far (maybe more is to come...).
I do feel that, if I were organising a first arangetram, I would find it useful.
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srinidhiji, thanks for your advice and mail. yes, i would be really interested in someone who could compere in english and tamil. i will definitely contact ABHAI before the weekend. I would also be grateful if you could provide me with shri. srikanth's contact details. i really appreciate your help and gesture. thanks again. i'll surely let you know of any positive news on this matter.
regards.
regards.
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gnjb-ji, I have been away from the chennai dance scene for quite sometime now, so dont have the details that you ask for. U may seek out Ms Swetha's help regarding srikanth's contact details also.I think I have already mailed you her mail id.I have already briefed her about your request. so please feel free to mail her.
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nevermind. thank you srinandhini ji. i've got in touch with ms. swetha, looking forward to her reply.
i just have a little doubt - if someone could kindly clear it for me:
who is supposed to be called on first, to say a few words? the chief guest or the guest of honour? are we supposed to give first preference to the 'older' person? i am very unsure because the chief guest is an important personality we've known for a few years and the guest of honour is also a person of importance and elderly, however his relationship is new to us. what should i do? i dont want anyone of them to be offended by the order that they're called.
thanks a bunch.
regards.
i just have a little doubt - if someone could kindly clear it for me:
who is supposed to be called on first, to say a few words? the chief guest or the guest of honour? are we supposed to give first preference to the 'older' person? i am very unsure because the chief guest is an important personality we've known for a few years and the guest of honour is also a person of importance and elderly, however his relationship is new to us. what should i do? i dont want anyone of them to be offended by the order that they're called.
thanks a bunch.
regards.
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gnjb-ji
as per etiquette, and the way our teachers have guided us, the chief guest comes first. so the chief guest and the guests of honor are called in that order onto the dias and also honored in that order.
The chief guest is expected to give a speech. the guests of honor may/ may not give a speech. for want of courtesy, they may be asked to speak a FEW words.
Personally, I would advise you to keep the length of the speech short by requesting the chief guest and guests of honor( when you meet them to invite them for the programme; otherwise, the tempo and the atmosphere that builds up till that point in the programme dissolves away and people become restless and cease to show any interest on the happennings on stage.
as per etiquette, and the way our teachers have guided us, the chief guest comes first. so the chief guest and the guests of honor are called in that order onto the dias and also honored in that order.
The chief guest is expected to give a speech. the guests of honor may/ may not give a speech. for want of courtesy, they may be asked to speak a FEW words.
Personally, I would advise you to keep the length of the speech short by requesting the chief guest and guests of honor( when you meet them to invite them for the programme; otherwise, the tempo and the atmosphere that builds up till that point in the programme dissolves away and people become restless and cease to show any interest on the happennings on stage.
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I would like some help with buying temple jewelry. I live in the U.S. and I contacted the Nagercoil place and got some quotes on the phone for a mangaimala. I understand that this is a wholesaler but then why are the prices higher than for example what's on the Thangamaligai website for the same necklace? I appreciate anybody' s insight into this?
Thank you
Thank you