Sangeeta Sampradaya Pradarshini

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 20 Feb 2006, 23:34

A must read!
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/02/17/stor ... 370600.htm
I am ceratinly impressed with the energy of these artists. I wonder how they even find time to sleep.
Ravi

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 21 Feb 2006, 03:36

Thanks rshankar...

This caught my attention

There were stumbling blocks. ``I wanted to give up when we reached Todi,'' says Shriramkumar. Krishna laughs and sings ``Kamalamba'' according to SSP notation. Strange notes waft in, suggesting old film songs and middle-eastern strains.

I wonder what causes this. This almost seems to indicate that the SSP thodi was lighter. May be. Something I will watch out for when I get to hear the recordings.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Feb 2006, 03:57

Me TOO! I was so intrigued by that. And I like the lesson that Krishna wants us to learn from that.
Ravi

venkatpv · Post by **venkatpv** » 21 Feb 2006, 04:10

it sounds quite romantic to me!!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Feb 2006, 08:59

Really interesting bit about tODi. I never paid too much attention to gamaka of tODI in SSP as tODI is too well known to need a reference. Now Sriramkumar and Krishna`s comment makes me think of caturdaNDIprakASike and mudduvekaTamakhi. venkaTamakhi does not even mention the rAga in the CDP. Not even the dismissive reference that he gives to kalyANi. The more interesting part is in mudduvenkaTamakhi`s rAgalakShana! He calls tODi a rakti rAga and surprise! dESI rAga. That ha caused consternation to nearly every sholar and musicologist. Now the mention of middle eastern strains and film tunes makes it sound less incredulous although still unconvincing. By the time of mudduvenkaTamakhi, janatODI had acquired the mELa status and is described as sampUrna.
But yes the rAga does not find mention in the pUrvaprasidha mELas. But R.R.Keshavamurthy argues that this rAga is teh RShabha mUrchane of the ShaDja grAa and hence canot be an import.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Feb 2006, 09:57

Once a HM friend explained to me that:
dil thoDthA hai isliyE thODi (it breaks your heart hence it is thODi)
He claimed it was hence of Persian origin!
Made sense to me!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Feb 2006, 10:01

Of course 'tud' is sanskrit dhatu meaning break but then it should have been tOdi rather than tODi. In fact the 'D' used is the arabic equivalent of 'zha' in Tamil (of vedic origin)

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 21 Feb 2006, 13:44

btw thodi of HM is not the same thodi in CM....

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Feb 2006, 16:41

Yep. tODi in hindUstAni is the same as our SubhapantuvarALi. dil kO zarUr tODtA hai. There is not much doubt about that one being a dESi rAga.

Mahesh · Post by **Mahesh** » 21 Feb 2006, 20:05

DRS sir, I'm the Mahesh, Coolkarni sir has talked to you about, he says to get in touch with you, can you please email me on maheshs4677@yahoo.com please? Many thanks.

Apologies to forum member and the mods for using this board for personal messages. But I can see no other way, in the end it will for the beneft for the members, trust me

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 22 Feb 2006, 00:39

DRS Sir, same here..would like to get ur contact info. Could you please email me at : sriucl@yahoo.com

Was talking abt you to Mr.Kulkarni while in Madras....

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Feb 2006, 00:56

Srivatsan
I ahve already emailed you this morning.

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 22 Feb 2006, 01:01

Thanks for that note, DRS Sir... but I havent received it at sriucl@yahoo.com