Gurjari

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:43

This raga appears to be a janya of Maya Malava Gowla.
DKJ has popularised " gunijanAdhinutha guruguhOdaye, gurjari rAga priye vara shive" of MD with an excellent Chitta Swara ( commercial recording).

DRS/Lakshman/Rasikas , is this the only composition in this raga ??

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:51

There is also tyAgarAja's varAlandu kommani. S.Ramanthan used to sing this so well.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:15

A link to the song as rendered by Somu (sangeethapriya)

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Easokan ... alandu.mp3

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:50

Here is a list:
Abhimanamu-Adi-Mannargudi Rajagopala Iyer
Andaka dadane- -Annamacharya
Appude gelichitava- -Annamacharya
Appuleni samsaramaina pate chalunu-T/Eka-Annamacharya
Are kalyana rama (lng)-Triputa-Govindacharya
Artuda nenu- -Annamacharya
Ata evvarikim- -Annamacharya
Balavantudavu- -Annamacharya
Bhavincha nera- -Annamacharya
Cheppaga neragara- -Annamacharya
Cheppambote- -Annamacharya
Deva nivekala- -Annamacharya
Ekkada poyeno- -Annamacharya
Elike cheppina- -Annamacharya
Ennadu manavu- -Annamacharya
Enta ledidi- -Annamacharya
Evvaru naku dikku- -Annamacharya
Gaganajjada mandala mandiha (lkg)-Dhruvarupakam-Venkatamakhi
Guni janadinuta guruguhodaye gurjari ragapriye-Adi-Muttusvami Dikshitar
Hari hari ninnu sakalantaryami ni atmadalachute-Adi-Annamacharya
Heyamemi ledu- -Annamacharya
Ihame paramu- -Annamacharya
Inni upayamu- -Annamacharya
Intepovari vari- -Annamacharya
Itaramu linniyu nadu mantramule enchi chuchi-Adi-Annamacharya
Itaramulanniyu-Adi-Annamacharya
Itaropayamulella- -Annamacharya
Jagamata ni mayamu- -Annamacharya
Karunanidhivi gaka- -Annamacharya
Konda vanti devudu- -Annamacharya
Kududururake- -Annamacharya
Ma ma tyaja ramava mam manmanasa-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar
Makemi ni karuna- -Annamacharya
Nakorake gridincheno- -Annamacharya
Napali ghana- -Annamacharya
Okati kokatilankai- -Annamacharya
Papamu cheruva- -Annamacharya
Payamanta mudimanta bahurupamu ika-Chapu-Annamacharya
Sarvam vishnumayam- -Annamacharya
Shri ramula divyanama smarana jeyuchuna-Adi-Bhadrachalam Ramdas
Telisi bhradukaro- -Annamacharya
Upakari devudu- _ Annamacharya
Varalandu kommani nayandu vanchana seya-Adi-Tyagaraja
Vokati kokati- -Annamacharya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Jul 2007, 17:28

annamacArya takes the MAMMOTH share in the list.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 17 Jul 2007, 23:12

vs_manjunath wrote:This raga appears to be a janya of Maya Malava Gowla.
DKJ has popularised " gunijanAdhinutha guruguhOdaye, gurjari rAga priye vara shive" of MD with an excellent Chitta Swara ( commercial recording).

DRS/Lakshman/Rasikas , is this the only composition in this raga ??

gurjari, historically competed with mALavagouLa for the mELa spot; finally mALavagouLa won the race

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 18 Jul 2007, 00:12

It is a shame that the rAga has come down from being a potential mELa to an obscure and hardly heard one.

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 18 Jul 2007, 03:03

drshrikaanth wrote:There is also tyAgarAja's varAlandu kommani. S.Ramanthan used to sing this so well.

The 2nd song in the following page

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/sr/sr.html

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 18 Jul 2007, 20:11

The rendition by SR is very nice - but there seem to be many instances of phrases like PDPM...I have been taught that gUrjhari should not take PDPM and only PDNPM, conforming to its ArO: S R1 G3 M1 P D1 N3 and ava: S D1 N3 P M1 G3 R1 (iirc S N3 P is also permissible in some cases). Are there alternate versions?

Ashwin

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 18 Jul 2007, 21:25

drshrikaanth wrote:annamacArya takes the MAMMOTH share in the list.

DRS- Since annamchArya & puranadara dAsa were contemporaries, if this raga was so famous during their time, there must be lot of parandara dAsa's compositions also in Gurjari. DRS-Do you have a list ?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 18 Jul 2007, 22:30

The SSP gives a krama sampUrNa ArOhaNa and avarOhaNa for gUrjari. So PDPM looks absolutely fine. The MD kRti guNijanAdi also has these swara sandarbhas. I have some observations to make about the rAga. Will do later.

Manju- I do not have a list as such but yes IIRC gUrjari name does figure in at least one of PD compositions. I will try and look up other songs of his that have been traditionally assigned gUrjari rAga.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 19 Jul 2007, 00:24

DRS,

doesn't this rAga come from the land of gurjars (aka gujjars) and isn't that land kashmIr?

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 19 Jul 2007, 02:11

Thanks DRS - I think the dIkShitar school's handling of gUrjari is understood to be different from tyAgarAja's...I was wondering whether there are alternate interpretations of tyAgarAjA's gUrjari.

Ashwin

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 19 Jul 2007, 02:48

vs_manjunath wrote:
drshrikaanth wrote:annamacArya takes the MAMMOTH share in the list.
DRS- Since annamchArya & puranadara dAsa were contemporaries, if this raga was so famous during their time, there must be lot of parandara dAsa's compositions also in Gurjari. DRS-Do you have a list ?

The name gurjari shows up at least in 3 compositions of Purandara dAsa that list different rAgas (most likely in vogue in his time) - tutturu tUrendu battisa rAgagaLannu, anganeyarellaru neredu and naLinajANDa taleya toogi.

The text for these compositions in post #344 in the following page

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=34630#p34630

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 19 Jul 2007, 18:06

gUrjari appears in purandaradAsa's list of battIsa rAgagaLu, no composition is listed under the rAga (In araLumallige pArthasArathi's book). In contrast, there are quite a few compositions in pUrvi.

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 20 Jul 2007, 22:16

SRJ (assisted by Sriram Kannan) singing varAlandu kommani - accompanied by shrI M. Chandru & shrI Ramabadran
http://rapidshare.com/files/43915193/SR ... i.mp3.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 20 Jul 2007, 22:58

Hey Ramji,
Nice to see you on!

meena · Post by **meena** » 20 Jul 2007, 23:46

Ramji welcome back and thanku

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 21 Jul 2007, 19:54

I just spoke with SRJ Mama and he informed me that there may be a way to justify PDPM in tyAgarAjA's gUrjari using the given ArO/ava structure, but that this phrase may be used rarely as a matter of artistic license. He also confirmed that dIkShitar's handling of gUrjari is different from tyAgarAjA's (which is more distinct from mAyAmALavagauLa) and also more complex, in that the rAga structure cannot be as easily discerned from guNijanAdi as it is in varAlandu kommani.

Ashwin

kumar_iyer · Post by **kumar_iyer** » 21 Jul 2007, 22:43

Ashwin wrote:I have been taught that gUrjhari should not take PDPM and only PDNPM, conforming to its ArO: S R1 G3 M1 P D1 N3 and ava: S D1 N3 P M1 G3 R1 (iirc S N3 P is also permissible in some cases). Are there alternate versions?
Ashwin

In the commercial recording of "guNijanAdinutha", DKJ's outstanding chiTTaswara has all sorts of swara combinations - many instances of "D1 P M1 G3" and "S N3 D1 P", non-conforming to the avarOhaNam. Btw is this the ArOhaNa-avarOhaNa given in SSP?
Anyways, I attribute the chiTTaswaram's grandeur to the innumerable dhATTu pRayOgams.

Regards,
Kumar.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Jul 2007, 23:10

Ashwin wrote:I just spoke with SRJ Mama and he informed me that there may be a way to justify PDPM in tyAgarAjA's gUrjari using the given ArO/ava structure, but that this phrase may be used rarely as a matter of artistic license

Ashwin- from the scale you have given earlier (SRGMPDNS*| S*DNPMGRS||), it is not possible to justify PDP prayOga unless you grant it the status of viSESha prayOga.

Could you request SrI SRJ to kindly enlighten us about the differences between gUrjari and MMgauLa?

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 22 Jul 2007, 00:41

kumar_iyer wrote:Btw is this the ArOhaNa-avarOhaNa given in SSP?

SSP gives SRGMPDNS*-SNDPMGRS as ArOhaNa and AvarOhaNa, saying that the raaga is rishabha graha and that madhyaman and daivatham are to be used in alpa prayogams.

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 23 Jul 2007, 20:48

drshrikaanth wrote:Could you request SrI SRJ to kindly enlighten us about the differences between gUrjari and MMgauLa?

DRS, yes certainly; I will ask during our next lesson next week.

Ashwin

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 12 Nov 2007, 17:55

The following link has a Lecture Demonstration by DKJ on Dikshitar.
Interestingly, he has discussed the complexity of Gurjari in the song- gunijanAdi nutha.

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads â€¦ index.html

I hope rasikas will enjoy this treat by DKJ.

shishyapriya · Post by **shishyapriya** » 11 Dec 2007, 23:59

Will Gurjari and Gurjari Thodi be the same?

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 12 Dec 2007, 03:01

No, Gurjari Todi (of Hindustani) IIRC, is panchama varjya in shubha pantuvarALi (which is tODi in hindUstAni)

-Ramakriya

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 12 Dec 2007, 04:30

Sekharachandrika in CM is the equivalent of the hindustani Gurjari Todi.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 12 Dec 2007, 06:22

And with some gentle prodding , nandagopal may decide to sing his compositions in such HM ragas for us here.
The last time he went on a spree at my home , it was truly elevating.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 12 Dec 2007, 06:40

Oh Nandagopal. Please do Please do

-Ramakriya

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 04 May 2021, 14:30

I am bumping this thread up. Because I am going to write about the real gurjari very soon.

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