http://www.hindu.com/fr/2007/04/06/stor ... 580300.htmJayashri wrote:1. I don't love God more than I love music, as I do not come from a very ritualistic or religious background. The song may be about the composer's love for Krishna, but my love is for the raga.
2. I am just a traveller, one more musician who will do her bit for as many years as is destined and then, there will be another one to take my place. What is bigger than all of us and will stay on is the Art.
Bombay Jayashri
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Interesting ideas!
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These articles help us give a glimpse into the minds of a performer, and that's all. A conversation with an artiste is carried home, on a tape recorder, I would think, and is randomly quoted, dependent upon the interviewer's impressions, the word count allotted for the article by the editor and so on. I have heard musicians complain that they were misquoted, there were errors in information, not much attention given to what they really meant and so on.
But publicity is publicity and the negative aspects of it should be taken in stride by the
'publicized' ones, I suppose. I bet Jayshri herself felt the same way when she came across her being quoted as speaking of God and music in the way it came out in print...
But publicity is publicity and the negative aspects of it should be taken in stride by the
'publicized' ones, I suppose. I bet Jayshri herself felt the same way when she came across her being quoted as speaking of God and music in the way it came out in print...
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A famous set of entries of Graffiti on a rock
(Source - A very old Readers Digest)
Day 1
TIME IS GOD ------ Sd Einstein
Day 2
GOD IS TIME ------ Sd Tolstoy
After a few days , the next entry was seen.
COME SUNDAY TO MY CHURCH , AND I WILL SHOW YOU GOD
Sd Billy Graham
Immediately the next day , the final entry came up.
WHO IS BILLY GRAHAM ?? ----- Sd GOD
(Source - A very old Readers Digest)
Day 1
TIME IS GOD ------ Sd Einstein
Day 2
GOD IS TIME ------ Sd Tolstoy
After a few days , the next entry was seen.
COME SUNDAY TO MY CHURCH , AND I WILL SHOW YOU GOD
Sd Billy Graham
Immediately the next day , the final entry came up.
WHO IS BILLY GRAHAM ?? ----- Sd GOD
Time is linear and leads to greater disorder since entropy is time's arrow---- Modern Science.
Time is cyclic and will lead to order through disorder--after the deluge new creation comes up---- Hindu religious edict.
God is NOWhere as time passes by.
Time is cyclic and will lead to order through disorder--after the deluge new creation comes up---- Hindu religious edict.
God is NOWhere as time passes by.
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Whatever they say or are quoted as saying, so long as Jayshri and other able practitioners of CM deliver the music that pleases us, why delve into an interviewer's interpretations?
Cool,
If only they knew the service the unknown warrior has been rendering them, Reader's Digest should have rewarded you handsomely for spreading the word about their publication. Your amazing memory and apt quotes make me want to confer a title on you: sAramum (even of the essence) uNDumizhum (one who ingests and brings out) viththagar (expert)
Sub,
Yes, the NOW (especially from my vantage point)!
Cool,
If only they knew the service the unknown warrior has been rendering them, Reader's Digest should have rewarded you handsomely for spreading the word about their publication. Your amazing memory and apt quotes make me want to confer a title on you: sAramum (even of the essence) uNDumizhum (one who ingests and brings out) viththagar (expert)
Sub,
Yes, the NOW (especially from my vantage point)!
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Hi all,
As the someone who actually wrote the article that is being discussed here and also as a student and family friend of Smt Bombay Jayashri Ramnath, let me state that all that was there in print was what she said. I dont subscribe to Arasi's views on journalistic filtering---atleast not in this case! And as Shri Sundara Rajan and others have pointed out, there is nothing too iconoclastic about what she has said and neither has she mentioned that she is an atheist. She just meant that the music is more overbearing for her than the deity in whose praise the composition may be composed. As it is how many musicians really go into the depth of the lyrics, their meanings or pronounciation to actually feel the way a Thyagaraja Swami felt for Lord Rama? What about instrumental music? arent the notes more important there than the words? That was all was the message conveyed...and i have not misquoted or added my own interpretation to the same!
Wish we spoke less derisively of journalists and interviewers not everyone has agendas to follow!
Regards
Vikram
As the someone who actually wrote the article that is being discussed here and also as a student and family friend of Smt Bombay Jayashri Ramnath, let me state that all that was there in print was what she said. I dont subscribe to Arasi's views on journalistic filtering---atleast not in this case! And as Shri Sundara Rajan and others have pointed out, there is nothing too iconoclastic about what she has said and neither has she mentioned that she is an atheist. She just meant that the music is more overbearing for her than the deity in whose praise the composition may be composed. As it is how many musicians really go into the depth of the lyrics, their meanings or pronounciation to actually feel the way a Thyagaraja Swami felt for Lord Rama? What about instrumental music? arent the notes more important there than the words? That was all was the message conveyed...and i have not misquoted or added my own interpretation to the same!
Wish we spoke less derisively of journalists and interviewers not everyone has agendas to follow!
Regards
Vikram
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Arasi,
There you go, into trouble again. You have good intentions in your thoughts, but your output manytimes comes across as plain wrong...
for eg:
"Whatever they say or are quoted as saying, so long as Jayshri and other able practitioners of CM deliver the music that pleases us,"
what does this really mean?
There you go, into trouble again. You have good intentions in your thoughts, but your output manytimes comes across as plain wrong...
for eg:
"Whatever they say or are quoted as saying, so long as Jayshri and other able practitioners of CM deliver the music that pleases us,"
what does this really mean?
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Me and my big mouth and my poor expression!
First of all, since you personally know Bombay Jayashri, Vikram, convey my apologies to her if I came across as being insensitive to her thoughts or art. The same to the writer, if I was not clear in conveying my thoughts.
Coimbatore rasigan,
Thanks for stopping me in my tracks. Sometimes, my enthusiasm gets carried away. In this instance--now, without any disrespect to interviewers and writers of articles (I was one of them, years ago)--all I meant was that there are plenty of articles written about musicians (not as many as those written about film stars, though there are signs of 'filmy' writing slant of late in articles about young vidwans and vidushis). That is why I take some of the writing with a pinch of salt. I have absolutely no idea about BJ's thoughts other than what the writer says. I merely meant that I do not take all that I read to be gospel truth. That's all. As a woman too, I am proud that Bombay Jayashri has established herself as a first rate vidushi who has a beautiful voice and is capable of investing her rendering with such emotion. And some day, she would even sing one of my songs, I hope
First of all, since you personally know Bombay Jayashri, Vikram, convey my apologies to her if I came across as being insensitive to her thoughts or art. The same to the writer, if I was not clear in conveying my thoughts.
Coimbatore rasigan,
Thanks for stopping me in my tracks. Sometimes, my enthusiasm gets carried away. In this instance--now, without any disrespect to interviewers and writers of articles (I was one of them, years ago)--all I meant was that there are plenty of articles written about musicians (not as many as those written about film stars, though there are signs of 'filmy' writing slant of late in articles about young vidwans and vidushis). That is why I take some of the writing with a pinch of salt. I have absolutely no idea about BJ's thoughts other than what the writer says. I merely meant that I do not take all that I read to be gospel truth. That's all. As a woman too, I am proud that Bombay Jayashri has established herself as a first rate vidushi who has a beautiful voice and is capable of investing her rendering with such emotion. And some day, she would even sing one of my songs, I hope
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Hey thats perfectly fine Arasi...just wanted to point out that not all writers are as hideous as is made of them!!...
and since you missed out again--let me restate that the writer of this article was 'yours truly' and somehow i dont like to ascribe hideous motives to myself and what i write in my view neither was she trying to belittle the devotional aspect of CM, nor was i trying to put words in her mouth...what u see is what she said and she beleives in...and i guess we all need to respect another's freedom of speech irrespective of whether it contradicts our beliefs or not!
regds
Vikram
and since you missed out again--let me restate that the writer of this article was 'yours truly' and somehow i dont like to ascribe hideous motives to myself and what i write in my view neither was she trying to belittle the devotional aspect of CM, nor was i trying to put words in her mouth...what u see is what she said and she beleives in...and i guess we all need to respect another's freedom of speech irrespective of whether it contradicts our beliefs or not!
regds
Vikram
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Vikram_sampath
YOu have created history where you have written an article in THE HINDU, realized that there was not enough space in print media to reclarify , where you could come to internet media .
Welcome onboard gentleman!This subtlely means that we@rasikas.org have achieved a significant milestone . I welcome you to write more and more....
YOu have created history where you have written an article in THE HINDU, realized that there was not enough space in print media to reclarify , where you could come to internet media .
Welcome onboard gentleman!This subtlely means that we@rasikas.org have achieved a significant milestone . I welcome you to write more and more....
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Some ehoes of these thoughts in GK Chestertons wordsWhat is bigger than all of us and will stay on is the Art.
She just meant that the music is more overbearing for her than the deity in whose praise the composition may be composed.
If we were only real enough , we should all talk in Rhyme.Such a beautiful thought !!WE talk of art as something artificial in comparison with life. But I sometimes fancy that the very highest art is more real than life itself. At least this is true : that in proportion as passions become real they become poetical; the lover is always trying to be the poet. All real energy is an attempt at harmony and a high swing of rhythm; and if we were only real enough we should all talk in rhyme.
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i totally agree with that statement, the raga and the way he has designed his compositions just makes it as mesmerizing.vijay wrote:Her honesty is refreshing even if I don't completely agree.
Even an agnostic can't be untouched by the Bhakthi bhava in a Thyagaraja composition although it is certainly possible to appreciate his compositions without being aware of his devotion.
Samrakshana
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I think the operative word is "believe". Some believe in God. Some believe in music (the rAgA). Many others believe in themselves ...their hard work and effort.
As long as they believe passionately in something, I think it is irrelevant what that "something" is. It is that passion that shines through from musicians. Rasikas in the audience view that through their own lenses - bhakthi, bhavam etc.
11 Years ago I started a thread on RMIC (during the usenet days) called Gnana & Bhakti to discuss this conundrum - Can one fully appreciate Carnatic music without Bhakti? At that time, my stance was that, Yes!, we could. But I am not sure any more. I think that there is this mystical level of appreciation that one gets if he or she, in addition to all the Gnana, has Bhakti in his/her heart. I've personally heard the great Shrimathi DK Pattammal speak about this to me and my family and the way she explained with an example, I couldn't argue it.
As long as they believe passionately in something, I think it is irrelevant what that "something" is. It is that passion that shines through from musicians. Rasikas in the audience view that through their own lenses - bhakthi, bhavam etc.
11 Years ago I started a thread on RMIC (during the usenet days) called Gnana & Bhakti to discuss this conundrum - Can one fully appreciate Carnatic music without Bhakti? At that time, my stance was that, Yes!, we could. But I am not sure any more. I think that there is this mystical level of appreciation that one gets if he or she, in addition to all the Gnana, has Bhakti in his/her heart. I've personally heard the great Shrimathi DK Pattammal speak about this to me and my family and the way she explained with an example, I couldn't argue it.
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Dear vpadmana,
Carnatic Music can be appreciated at various levels according to the knowledge, experience and interests of the listener
Lay persons - appreciation of tunefulness rhythmic patterns
Acquainted with ragas & kritis - Happiness in recognising of ragas and kritis and remembering earlier experiences
Experienced listener - going into raptures over good rendition, sticking to tradition etc.
Knowledgeable listener - keenly watching technical features and expertise of the artist in handling difficult portions
Performing musician - Appreciating the level of expertise of the musician in maintaining purity, exploring fresh approach to ragas and laya, ability and expertise in performance, stage presentation etc.
Listeners involved in Bhakti - All the above experiences will be increased several folds in each of the category.
One can very well enjoy without being a believer. The experience would be limited. That is all .
How can any one state with certainty that Bhakti or any other factor is essential to appreciate CM ?
Shivadasan
Carnatic Music can be appreciated at various levels according to the knowledge, experience and interests of the listener
Lay persons - appreciation of tunefulness rhythmic patterns
Acquainted with ragas & kritis - Happiness in recognising of ragas and kritis and remembering earlier experiences
Experienced listener - going into raptures over good rendition, sticking to tradition etc.
Knowledgeable listener - keenly watching technical features and expertise of the artist in handling difficult portions
Performing musician - Appreciating the level of expertise of the musician in maintaining purity, exploring fresh approach to ragas and laya, ability and expertise in performance, stage presentation etc.
Listeners involved in Bhakti - All the above experiences will be increased several folds in each of the category.
One can very well enjoy without being a believer. The experience would be limited. That is all .
How can any one state with certainty that Bhakti or any other factor is essential to appreciate CM ?
Shivadasan
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Dear Shivadasan,
If you read my post carefully, I did not claim that Bhakti is essential to appreciate CM. I chose my words carefully and deliberately. I said "full" appreciate, not just appreciate. I said "I think" there is a mystical level of appreciation that one gets.
I am not stating things in black & white; more like shades of gray - and with good reason. I absolutely know how personal some of these emotions are and that there's no right or wrong answer to the question.
Regards,
Venkatesh.
If you read my post carefully, I did not claim that Bhakti is essential to appreciate CM. I chose my words carefully and deliberately. I said "full" appreciate, not just appreciate. I said "I think" there is a mystical level of appreciation that one gets.
I am not stating things in black & white; more like shades of gray - and with good reason. I absolutely know how personal some of these emotions are and that there's no right or wrong answer to the question.
Regards,
Venkatesh.
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Dear Bilahari,
I will try and narrate to the best of my memory (there are portions in Tamil, hope you don't mind).
It was a very interesting experience. I was visiting her (I am related through marriage) a few years back in Kotturpuram. Ishwar Iyer mama was sitting outside reading Hindu paper. After paying respects to him, I went inside to meet Pattammal (everyone fondly calls her that - from the very young to the very old).
After pleasantries were exchanged, she asked me if I was still singing and practicing my violin. I said, Yes. So she asked me to sing a song. I chose to sing Shri Mutthuswami Dikshitar’s Kamakshi Shree Varalakshmi in Bilahari (as in your id .
She listened very carefully, nodding her head from side to side and gently keeping talam with her hands. There was a subtle smile on her face when I missed a sangati and an appreciative nod when I got a complex gamakam right.
At the end, she asked if I understood the meaning of the song. I said that I understood the meaning to a large extent. She asked what I was thinking about when I was singing and I said, "Honestly, I was thinking about how not to make a bad mistake in front of you!"
I will try and narrate to the best of my memory (there are portions in Tamil, hope you don't mind).
It was a very interesting experience. I was visiting her (I am related through marriage) a few years back in Kotturpuram. Ishwar Iyer mama was sitting outside reading Hindu paper. After paying respects to him, I went inside to meet Pattammal (everyone fondly calls her that - from the very young to the very old).
After pleasantries were exchanged, she asked me if I was still singing and practicing my violin. I said, Yes. So she asked me to sing a song. I chose to sing Shri Mutthuswami Dikshitar’s Kamakshi Shree Varalakshmi in Bilahari (as in your id .
She listened very carefully, nodding her head from side to side and gently keeping talam with her hands. There was a subtle smile on her face when I missed a sangati and an appreciative nod when I got a complex gamakam right.
At the end, she asked if I understood the meaning of the song. I said that I understood the meaning to a large extent. She asked what I was thinking about when I was singing and I said, "Honestly, I was thinking about how not to make a bad mistake in front of you!"
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Dear vpadmana,
Your experience with DKP is moving. Thank you for posting it.
The comment on Bhakti was included my post just as a general statement. I had been following the TMK threads and had been wanting to make a comment on that and it happened in the present instant ! It had nothing to do with your statement. I sorry for creating a misunderstanding.
My experience is similar to yours. I feel that bhakti can come to us only if Divine Mother turns her Grace on us.
Regards, Shivadasan
Your experience with DKP is moving. Thank you for posting it.
The comment on Bhakti was included my post just as a general statement. I had been following the TMK threads and had been wanting to make a comment on that and it happened in the present instant ! It had nothing to do with your statement. I sorry for creating a misunderstanding.
My experience is similar to yours. I feel that bhakti can come to us only if Divine Mother turns her Grace on us.
Regards, Shivadasan
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Translating the following for the non-tamil members .....
[quote="vpadmana"]Dear Bilahari,
.....
To this, she replied, "nee kamakshi ya dhyAnichindu pAdinA sangati thAnA varum. atha patthi nee kavalai pad vEndiyathu illai. TL Venkatrama Iyer thAn yenakku intha pAttta solli kudutthAr. appa nA ithe thAn panninEn. avar sonnAR, kAnchipuratthula irunthundu nee yEn kAmAkshi ya dhyAnichindu pAda mAttEngara? aduttha tharava nA manasula kAmAkshiya dhyAnichindu pAdinEn, Venkatrama Iyer ku kannula thanniyE vanthudutthu. Yethukku sollavarEnnA, yenna namba sAdhagam pannAlum, bhagavAna dhyAnichindu pAdinA, athOda tripthiyE thani."
[quote="vpadmana"]Dear Bilahari,
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To this, she replied, "nee kamakshi ya dhyAnichindu pAdinA sangati thAnA varum. atha patthi nee kavalai pad vEndiyathu illai. TL Venkatrama Iyer thAn yenakku intha pAttta solli kudutthAr. appa nA ithe thAn panninEn. avar sonnAR, kAnchipuratthula irunthundu nee yEn kAmAkshi ya dhyAnichindu pAda mAttEngara? aduttha tharava nA manasula kAmAkshiya dhyAnichindu pAdinEn, Venkatrama Iyer ku kannula thanniyE vanthudutthu. Yethukku sollavarEnnA, yenna namba sAdhagam pannAlum, bhagavAna dhyAnichindu pAdinA, athOda tripthiyE thani."
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[quote="vpadmana"]
To this, she replied, "nee kamakshi ya dhyAnichindu pAdinA sangati thAnA varum. atha patthi nee kavalai pad vEndiyathu illai. TL Venkatrama Iyer thAn yenakku intha pAttta solli kudutthAr. appa nA ithe thAn panninEn. avar sonnAR, kAnchipuratthula irunthundu nee yEn kAmAkshi ya dhyAnichindu pAda mAttEngara? aduttha tharava nA manasula kAmAkshiya dhyAnichindu pAdinEn, Venkatrama Iyer ku kannula thanniyE vanthudutthu. Yethukku sollavarEnnA, yenna namba sAdhagam pannAlum, bhagavAna dhyAnichindu pAdinA, athOda tripthiyE thani."
To this, she replied, "nee kamakshi ya dhyAnichindu pAdinA sangati thAnA varum. atha patthi nee kavalai pad vEndiyathu illai. TL Venkatrama Iyer thAn yenakku intha pAttta solli kudutthAr. appa nA ithe thAn panninEn. avar sonnAR, kAnchipuratthula irunthundu nee yEn kAmAkshi ya dhyAnichindu pAda mAttEngara? aduttha tharava nA manasula kAmAkshiya dhyAnichindu pAdinEn, Venkatrama Iyer ku kannula thanniyE vanthudutthu. Yethukku sollavarEnnA, yenna namba sAdhagam pannAlum, bhagavAna dhyAnichindu pAdinA, athOda tripthiyE thani."
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Bombay Jayashri reviewed by SVK whose favourite is always sadguru thyagarAja
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2010/07/16/stor ... 390400.htm
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2010/07/16/stor ... 390400.htm
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
The song kAmAkSi-varalakSmi--bilahari referred to above rendered by Shri DKJ can be listened here at post #149
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... &start=125
venkatakailasam
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... &start=125
venkatakailasam
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
A week before there were lots of ads for this concert , like 5 days to go, ... 3 days to go, 1 day to go. I was wondering about the concert , here is the review of BJ's concert.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article2949793.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article2949793.ece
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
hmmm ...the gamut of musical experiences
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article3746093.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article3746093.ece
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Here is another interview by her...
I am always going to be a rasika: Bombay Jayashree....
http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/inter ... ee_1716475
She is a melodious singer over which there is no doubt..
Whether she she loves God or Raga or wants to be a rasika....we always love her music..But what she has done for rasikas?
Are there any concerts of her available for us..for free..??
Her name does not appear in Sp archives...which were removed on her request..if I remember correct..
I do have some of her songs possibly downloaded earlier to her request for removal..
I am not sharing them..
She is more commercial minded..no offense meant..
There are some songs here from an album..
http://ww.smashits.com/collections-of-b ... -7130.html
I am always going to be a rasika: Bombay Jayashree....
http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/inter ... ee_1716475
She is a melodious singer over which there is no doubt..
Whether she she loves God or Raga or wants to be a rasika....we always love her music..But what she has done for rasikas?
Are there any concerts of her available for us..for free..??
Her name does not appear in Sp archives...which were removed on her request..if I remember correct..
I do have some of her songs possibly downloaded earlier to her request for removal..
I am not sharing them..
She is more commercial minded..no offense meant..
There are some songs here from an album..
http://ww.smashits.com/collections-of-b ... -7130.html
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
May be one can hear music in dance , how can one see music - perhaps only in internet forums
http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday ... 570678.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday ... 570678.ece
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Bj and abhishek are pairing and performing in november fest. Writeup on nov 02 2018
https://www.thehindu.com/november-fest/ ... epage=true
https://www.thehindu.com/november-fest/ ... epage=true
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Writeup post Bombay Jayashri getting the Padmashri award . From The Hindu dated Jan 28 2021
https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/ ... 686595.ece
https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/ ... 686595.ece
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Bombay Jayashri was extremely impressive as the director of the Children's Choir under Bhoomija Trust in Bengaluru some years ago. Here is a video they had uploaded:
https://youtu.be/MJ0TeAGbPvE
Of course the children had been carefully chosen for their musical talent but their grooming and coordinated performance under her direction was very impressive and a most wholesome experience.
All this shows how the present-day stars have multidimensional talents.
Also Bombay Jayashri was simply outstanding in that movie Margazhi Raga along with TMK.
A well-deserved honour indeed. Congrats to the Vidushi
https://youtu.be/MJ0TeAGbPvE
Of course the children had been carefully chosen for their musical talent but their grooming and coordinated performance under her direction was very impressive and a most wholesome experience.
All this shows how the present-day stars have multidimensional talents.
Also Bombay Jayashri was simply outstanding in that movie Margazhi Raga along with TMK.
A well-deserved honour indeed. Congrats to the Vidushi
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Re: Bombay Jayashri
Congratulations to the vidushi. Lot of great work and following that she developed in an era that was challenging for CM.