Manohari.
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Hi everyone,
Ragam Manohari-
The ragam being the Janya of 22nd Melakartha- Kharaharapriya.
The aarohanam avarohanam being SGRGMPDS - SDPMGRS - Sadharna Gandharam, Chatusruthi rishabham, Suddha Madhyamam, Chatusruthi Dhaivatham, being a Ni varjya ragam.
One such song I do know is Paritapamu ganiyadina by thyagaraja, rupakam talam.
Incidently I came to know of quite a few aarohana and avarohana's for this ragam being :
Also as a 'r'i varjya ragam - S G M P D N S - S N D P M G S from Dr. Bhagyalakshmi's book Raagas in Carnatic music.
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S N2 D2 M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 M1 P N2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S from karnatik.com
Can anyone throw light on the aarohanam avarohanams, raga bhava, dattu prayogas, raga sancharas and songs in this ragam.
Thanks.
Nandy.
Ragam Manohari-
The ragam being the Janya of 22nd Melakartha- Kharaharapriya.
The aarohanam avarohanam being SGRGMPDS - SDPMGRS - Sadharna Gandharam, Chatusruthi rishabham, Suddha Madhyamam, Chatusruthi Dhaivatham, being a Ni varjya ragam.
One such song I do know is Paritapamu ganiyadina by thyagaraja, rupakam talam.
Incidently I came to know of quite a few aarohana and avarohana's for this ragam being :
Also as a 'r'i varjya ragam - S G M P D N S - S N D P M G S from Dr. Bhagyalakshmi's book Raagas in Carnatic music.
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S N2 D2 M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 M1 P N2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S from karnatik.com
Can anyone throw light on the aarohanam avarohanams, raga bhava, dattu prayogas, raga sancharas and songs in this ragam.
Thanks.
Nandy.
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The post prompted me to rummage through my collection and I heard the krithi (DKJ's rendition, with TR & Ramesh dated as 3/82) after a long time.
yAm petra Inbam....
http://file.uploadr.com/cd45
I remember in the early 70s I heard a AIR concert of BVR/BVL featuring ragas that ended with "Manohari" and my dad and I had a lively discussion thereafter on all the Manoharis. I recently came across a quiz in one of the web sites listing 11 Manoharis.
yAm petra Inbam....
http://file.uploadr.com/cd45
I remember in the early 70s I heard a AIR concert of BVR/BVL featuring ragas that ended with "Manohari" and my dad and I had a lively discussion thereafter on all the Manoharis. I recently came across a quiz in one of the web sites listing 11 Manoharis.
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rganesh,
Thank you for posting Paritapamu by DKJ. The same song by O.S. Thyagarajan :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHmIbxSJhZo
Can you type in the different 11 Manohari's. We can discuss them one by one in this thread.
Thank you for posting Paritapamu by DKJ. The same song by O.S. Thyagarajan :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHmIbxSJhZo
Can you type in the different 11 Manohari's. We can discuss them one by one in this thread.
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The list has more than 11 items. Apart from what has been listed here are the others:
ambamanOhari, bhAvamanOhari, bhUpALamanOhari, budhamanOhari, dEshyamanOhari, dEvamanOhari, dharaNimanOhari, dhAtumanOhari, enAnkamanOhari, gandharvamanOhari, haramanOhari, jaganmanOhari, kandarpamanOhari, lalitamanOhari, mEcamanOhari, mukundamanOhari, nArAyaNamanOhari, nATyamanOhari, navamanOhari, puSpamanOhari, rAgamanOhari, rAjamanOhari, rangamanOhari, saumyamanOhari, sEnAmanOhari, shivAlayamanOhari, shivanamOhari, shrImAdhavamanOhari, shrImanOhari, shuddhamanOhari, sudhAmanOhari and vasntamanOhari.
Of course a mjority of these are not in current usage.
ambamanOhari, bhAvamanOhari, bhUpALamanOhari, budhamanOhari, dEshyamanOhari, dEvamanOhari, dharaNimanOhari, dhAtumanOhari, enAnkamanOhari, gandharvamanOhari, haramanOhari, jaganmanOhari, kandarpamanOhari, lalitamanOhari, mEcamanOhari, mukundamanOhari, nArAyaNamanOhari, nATyamanOhari, navamanOhari, puSpamanOhari, rAgamanOhari, rAjamanOhari, rangamanOhari, saumyamanOhari, sEnAmanOhari, shivAlayamanOhari, shivanamOhari, shrImAdhavamanOhari, shrImanOhari, shuddhamanOhari, sudhAmanOhari and vasntamanOhari.
Of course a mjority of these are not in current usage.
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ambamanOhari seems to be in vogue in HM ...
The quiz here http://www.carnatica.net/brainform1.htm states that there are 12 manOharis.
The quiz here http://www.carnatica.net/brainform1.htm states that there are 12 manOharis.
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Thanks for the quiz site !vasanthakokilam wrote:ambamanOhari seems to be in vogue in HM ...
The quiz here http://www.carnatica.net/brainform1.htm states that there are 12 manOharis.
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Some Manoharis…..
Dr S.Ramanathan’s rendition (MSG & TKM) of MD’s Krithi in Ishamanohari:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wpbszj
SSI’s rendition of MD’s Krithi – Madhava Manohari
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wvxtg0
TRS-MC-TVG Yagnadulu - Jayamanohari
http://www.sendspace.com/file/761k2c
Dr S.Ramanathan’s rendition (MSG & TKM) of MD’s Krithi in Ishamanohari:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wpbszj
SSI’s rendition of MD’s Krithi – Madhava Manohari
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wvxtg0
TRS-MC-TVG Yagnadulu - Jayamanohari
http://www.sendspace.com/file/761k2c
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tyAgarAjA's manOhari (paritApamu) and dIkShitar's manOhari (akin to kamalamanOhari - see SaNkaram abhirAmi) are entirely different - these dont seem to be two interpretations of one original rAga; rather, it seems that two different rAgA lineages coincidentally produced rAgAs of the same name. Corrections welcomed from the more knowledgeable members of the forum.
Ashwin
Ashwin
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Ashwin,
As far as I know, Manohari by St. Thyagaraja is derived from Kharaharapriya mela. The different aarohanas and avarohanas being :
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S N2 D2 M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 M1 P N2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S from karnatik.com
Although I seem to hear more of the S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S - S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S in DKJ's and OS. Thyagarajan's version of Paritaapamu posted here. Correct me if I am wrong.
Manohari by M. Dikshitar also called Kamalamanohari is derived from 33rd Mela Gangeyabhushani.
Aarohanam and avarohanam : S G3 M1 P N3 S - S N3 D1 P M1 G3 S.
Here is a flute recital by BN Suresh - Kanjadalaayadaakshi in Kamalamanohari.
http://www.sangeethapriya.org//Download ... resh2.html
As far as I know, Manohari by St. Thyagaraja is derived from Kharaharapriya mela. The different aarohanas and avarohanas being :
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S N2 D2 M1 G2 R2 G2 S
manOhari S G2 R2 M1 P N2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
manOhari S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S-S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S from karnatik.com
Although I seem to hear more of the S R2 G2 M1 P D2 S - S D2 P M1 G2 R2 S in DKJ's and OS. Thyagarajan's version of Paritaapamu posted here. Correct me if I am wrong.
Manohari by M. Dikshitar also called Kamalamanohari is derived from 33rd Mela Gangeyabhushani.
Aarohanam and avarohanam : S G3 M1 P N3 S - S N3 D1 P M1 G3 S.
Here is a flute recital by BN Suresh - Kanjadalaayadaakshi in Kamalamanohari.
http://www.sangeethapriya.org//Download ... resh2.html
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rganesh,
The MDR rendition is the Kedara kriti Samayamide nannu brova, not the Budha manohari kriti.
knrh05
The MDR rendition is the Kedara kriti Samayamide nannu brova, not the Budha manohari kriti.
knrh05
rganesh wrote:Some Manoharis…..
Budha Manohari is attributed to HMB ; MDR’s rendition -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6khpw3
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Given that Tyagaraja composed paritApamu on the last day of his life, (or somewhere around that time), the other (kamalA) manOahri might be the older rAga. Also MD has at several places indicated the rAga name from the other school when possible (eg: haimavatIm hariyuvatIm) - So he may have intentionally introduced the word kamalA in kanjadaLAyatAkShi.Ashwin wrote:tyAgarAjA's manOhari (paritApamu) and dIkShitar's manOhari (akin to kamalamanOhari - see SaNkaram abhirAmi) are entirely different - these dont seem to be two interpretations of one original rAga; rather, it seems that two different rAgA lineages coincidentally produced rAgAs of the same name. Corrections welcomed from the more knowledgeable members of the forum.
Ashwin
-Ramakriya
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Ashwin,
I remember in mid 90's , I attended a Lec-dem by Prof Visweswaran in Singapore on ragas of dual identity. He has released a CD on the same subject.
http://www.musicplusvideo.com/carninst9.html
I was not able to comprehend the intricacies then ( not sure if I will be able to do so now also) but I do remember and cherish a lovely Kanchadalaya Dakshi by the Vinika.
I remember in mid 90's , I attended a Lec-dem by Prof Visweswaran in Singapore on ragas of dual identity. He has released a CD on the same subject.
http://www.musicplusvideo.com/carninst9.html
I was not able to comprehend the intricacies then ( not sure if I will be able to do so now also) but I do remember and cherish a lovely Kanchadalaya Dakshi by the Vinika.
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What is intriguing is that MD used the rAga mudra "kamalamanOhari" in kanjadaLAyatAkShi, but "manOharam" in SankaramabhirAmi. Does this suggest that there may be technical differences between MDs own interpretation of the two rAgAs?Given that Tyagaraja composed paritApamu on the last day of his life, (or somewhere around that time), the other (kamalA) manOahri might be the older rAga. Also MD has at several places indicated the rAga name from the other school when possible (eg: haimavatIm hariyuvatIm) - So he may have intentionally introduced the word kamalA in kanjadaLAyatAkShi.
-Ramakriya
Ashwin
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Thanks rganesh, Im looking forward to getting my hands on this recording!rganesh wrote:Ashwin,
I remember in mid 90's , I attended a Lec-dem by Prof Visweswaran in Singapore on ragas of dual identity. He has released a CD on the same subject.
http://www.musicplusvideo.com/carninst9.html
I was not able to comprehend the intricacies then ( not sure if I will be able to do so now also) but I do remember and cherish a lovely Kanchadalaya Dakshi by the Vinika.
Ashwin
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I dont think there was any difference between kamalAmanOhari of Tyagaraja and manOhari of MD (except that the latter is said to be a janya of gangAtarangiNi, while the first is normally described as a janya of mAyAmALavagouLa).Ashwin wrote:What is intriguing is that MD used the rAga mudra "kamalamanOhari" in kanjadaLAyatAkShi, but "manOharam" in SankaramabhirAmi. Does this suggest that there may be technical differences between MDs own interpretation of the two rAgAs?Given that Tyagaraja composed paritApamu on the last day of his life, (or somewhere around that time), the other (kamalA) manOahri might be the older rAga. Also MD has at several places indicated the rAga name from the other school when possible (eg: haimavatIm hariyuvatIm) - So he may have intentionally introduced the word kamalA in kanjadaLAyatAkShi.
-Ramakriya
Ashwin
As per MD, the rAga name is only manOhari. He *may* have used the phrase kamalAmanOhari, because he was aware of Tyagaraja's school which called it kamalAmanOhari. Even here the mudre is tobe taken only as manOhari. The case is similar to the phrase sudhAtarngiNi in mAyE tvam yAhi, where the real mudre is only tarngiNi.
MD has not composed in Tyagaraja's manOhari.
-Ramakriya
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The other songs in Manohari :
Varnams:
Sri kamalamba sada- adi- ramaswamy diskshithar
Samiga natho - adi - Ponayya Pillai
Krithi
Sathyame-adi-Periyaswami Thooran
Sankaramabhirami - M. Diskshithar
Kanjadalaayadakshi - M. Dikshithar
If anyone can get hold of any other songs in Manohari apart from the songs already posted here, it'll be great to get more knowlege of Manohari - Dikshithar school and Thyagaraja school as well.
Thanks,
Nandy.
Varnams:
Sri kamalamba sada- adi- ramaswamy diskshithar
Samiga natho - adi - Ponayya Pillai
Krithi
Sathyame-adi-Periyaswami Thooran
Sankaramabhirami - M. Diskshithar
Kanjadalaayadakshi - M. Dikshithar
If anyone can get hold of any other songs in Manohari apart from the songs already posted here, it'll be great to get more knowlege of Manohari - Dikshithar school and Thyagaraja school as well.
Thanks,
Nandy.
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Ramakriya,
Just wanted to clarify the statement -
"dont think there was any difference between kamalAmanOhari of Tyagaraja and manOhari of MD (except that the latter is said to be a janya of gangAtarangiNi, while the first is normally described as a janya of mAyAmALavagouLa)."
I thought Thyagaraja's Manohari was from Mela Kharaharapriya and MD'S Manohari from Mela Gangeyabhushani. Correct me
Thanks.
Just wanted to clarify the statement -
"dont think there was any difference between kamalAmanOhari of Tyagaraja and manOhari of MD (except that the latter is said to be a janya of gangAtarangiNi, while the first is normally described as a janya of mAyAmALavagouLa)."
I thought Thyagaraja's Manohari was from Mela Kharaharapriya and MD'S Manohari from Mela Gangeyabhushani. Correct me
Thanks.
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Here is Shanakaramabhirami by Bajaji shankar from Musicindiaonline:
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... /ragam.90/
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... /ragam.90/
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Tyagaraja has composed in one rAga called manOhari (paritApamu) and another rAga called kamalAmanOhari (nI muddu mOmu); The latter rAga with the nominal scale s g3 m1 p n3 s - s n3 d1 p m1 g3 s is labled as a janya of mAyAmALAvagouLa (or may be even sarasAngi); This rAga is identical in treatment to the rAga called as manOhari by Muttuswamy dikshita; He has composed two krtis (shankaramabhirAmI manOharam and kanjadaLAyatAkShI in this rAga.Nandy wrote:Ramakriya,
Just wanted to clarify the statement -
"dont think there was any difference between kamalAmanOhari of Tyagaraja and manOhari of MD (except that the latter is said to be a janya of gangAtarangiNi, while the first is normally described as a janya of mAyAmALavagouLa)."
I thought Thyagaraja's Manohari was from Mela Kharaharapriya and MD'S Manohari from Mela Gangeyabhushani. Correct me
Thanks.
And gangAtarangiNi is the 33rd asampUrNa mELa which MD followed, occupying the same slot as gAngEyabhUshaNi in the sampURna mELa.
While on this, are there any available tracks of the gangAtarangiNi kriti of MD ? Please post if there are any.
-Ramakriya
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Here is the link for the audio of a song, in gangatarangiNi, by Dikshitar:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tz0sbf
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tz0sbf
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We have active threads now on Kamalamanohari, Revagupti and Tarangini....
SSI (Chatur-raga slokamalika featuring the three ragas and Hamsadhawani)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o3y1os
SSI (Chatur-raga slokamalika featuring the three ragas and Hamsadhawani)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o3y1os
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Hi everyone,
Can anybody upload more songs in Madhava Manohari.
Mahalakshmi Karunarasa = Muthuswamy Dikshithar
Kripasagara - Mutthaiah Bhagavathar
If anybody can throw light on more songs in this ragam and can upload any songs they have with them, it'll be great
Also discussion on details of the ragam and all its characteristics will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Nandy.
Can anybody upload more songs in Madhava Manohari.
Mahalakshmi Karunarasa = Muthuswamy Dikshithar
Kripasagara - Mutthaiah Bhagavathar
If anybody can throw light on more songs in this ragam and can upload any songs they have with them, it'll be great
Also discussion on details of the ragam and all its characteristics will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Nandy.