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Oh god, that plot.
Don't ask me to judge!Nick as a native speaker , were you impressed ?
Yes, that is when the mods should have acted sooner. Looking back at those old threads, I realised I had put him on my ignore list. There came a time when I no longer wanted to see his posts.
The audio/video era, is a boon sent in the "you" era. You can listen to speeches ( "ears" again ). You can start from Suki Sivam. Isaikavi Ramanan does good talks on Bharati.
Is there an editor software that can do this auto? May be the forum can incorporate itMuch before Plain English books, George Orwell set out six principles. “(i) Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print. (ii) Never use a long word where a short one will do. (iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out. (iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active. (v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent. (vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything barbarous.
Actually, it isn't. There is lots and lots of classical vocal music. Please don't ask me for examples, because I am not a good historian, and I don't like the Western "trained" voice, but I could mention one word: opera! And one of the earliest, if not the earliest, "classical" composers was a twelfth-century nun called Hildegard, who wrote... songs.
This is absurd and common sense should tell us that Bach and Vivaldi (Baroque composers) are classical composers as much as Mozart and Beethoven, that you’ve probably referred to. First of all Mozart of the “classical” period is famous among for his lovely operas which involves beautiful vocal music.RSR wrote: ↑18 Nov 2020, 21:26 @Nick H
Western 'Classical' music , is defined as the musical compositions of Beethovan, and two others. The 'Romantic' period also mostly followed the same approach. The Western 'Classical' music is defined as the music , almost contemporaneous with the Trinity and East India Company rule in Tamil areas
https://www.britannica.com/list/10-clas ... rs-to-know
Thus defined, there does not seem to have been any lyrics and vocal rendition of the 'trinity' of Western 'Classical' music.
Just happened to look at that Britannica link. How does that support your view/your definition? That link takes us through hundreds of years - before Beethoven whom you voted as a classical composer, was born and way after him!RSR wrote: ↑18 Nov 2020, 21:26
https://www.britannica.com/list/10-clas ... rs-to-know
Thus defined, there does not seem to have been any lyrics and vocal rendition of the 'trinity' of Western 'Classical' music.
I don’t agree with this. There aren’t two different definitions of western classical music.
Again it’s not a more specific definition of western classical music. RSR was mistakenly using the definition of a specific PERIOD in western classical music for the whole music.The more specific definition, I'd say, is not particularly useful outside of a discussion about Western music history.
Yes... It makes me wonder how it didn’t make RSR stop and consider how that could be true, since we all know of many more names.One thing I am very sure of: it has certainly never been limited to any two or three composers.
You are employing a very historical critical method! Take a small fact of history and blow it up as representative of the whole thing. If vidvans sang in durbars of dwindling samasthanams, they had an agenda and had to do it for their livelihood. It is our bias that we tend to view this through the prism of "creativity" which we ourselves define as something higher.
This is what your link says:RSR wrote: ↑19 Nov 2020, 07:49 I am following the definition as given in wiki.
for classical music albeit western.
Just as the Trinity is almost ( the creations of earlier composers like Purandaradasa have not survived much in their 'melody' but mostly in their lyrics. ) the starting point of CM, the classical' period/music is the celebrated and definitive period/ genre in Western classical music. 'True. We cannot understand the term as we wish . I am following the standard classification.
I do not have much exposure to Western Music and did not want to 'sprinkle' names.
As in study of English literature, there are various eras no doubt but each era has a specific meaning ( I am basing myself on Hudson)
My use of 'classical' is that of standard classification nd not the general disctionary meaning . I had difficulty in copying and pasting the URL of the wiki entry. Will try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music
this article is about the broad span of time from before the 6th century AD to the present day, which includes the Classical period and various other periods.[1]
A good majority of his compositions are actually not being sung to be fair. Because people did not receive it in whole form and afraid to touch it themselves out of respect. And musicologists contend that the intent of the composers is to give the rAgA svarUpam to us. Now you are saying rAgams are preserving their lyrics. Which is preserving which?
Ranganayaki ....Ranganayaki wrote: ↑19 Nov 2020, 11:56 Anyway, god alone knows where this thread is headed, or how this argument about classical music fits here. And the person who started this thread asking for no insinuations or hints, etc. Is posting with just those things and engaging others who have done just that in this very thread! What is this thread about, really?