Raagams for Thiruppavai

[shibi]

I have really enjoyed Thiruppaavai songs sung by KV Narayanaswamy, available for example, at this Youtube site:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... SGjntqe48O

I have learnt that Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar set these to tune. Are there any reasons, musical or otherwise, he chose these particular raagas for the corresponding Thiruppaavai? Have people tried to sing these in raagas different than the ones chosen by Ariyakudi?

[HarishankarK]

I think in the tiruppavai version rendered by MLV some of the tiruppavai's are set to different raga than Ariyakudi's interpretation. I know for sure that the tiruppavai - Nayakanai Nindra is sung in both Mohanam (MLV) and Darbar (TNS??).
Ariyakudi wanted to introduce and popularise the tiruppavais and rama nataka krithis so he tuned them as per his intellect.
Tiruppavai's can be sung in any raga.
Dr. Padma Subrahmanyam's dance drama the tiruppavais are tuned in some other ragas than Airyakudi.
Even i vaguely remember that TNS has sung some tiruppavai's in different tunes.

[jalaruja]

My father, who had sung the Thiruppavai at the AIR when he was a boy, had said that in the earlier times the pAsurams were sung largely in the prabhata rAgAms. And, that makes sense - the songs are in the tradition of pAvai nOnbu. It is probable they were sung in different tunes all over the south, depending on the local traditions.

My 1 cent worth. Dr. Prema Nandkumar may be a good source for accurate historical info.

[VK RAMAN]

Jalaruja brings up a good point and I also believe pAsurams should be sung in morning ragams.

[rshankar]

Jalaruja (a beautiful name, by the way) - any chance of uploading your dad's versions of these?

[bhakthim dehi]

May I know who is Dr Prema Nandakumar?
Thiruppavai can be sung at any part of the day and during evening and night times too in the month of Margaseersha. So theoretically they can be tuned to any raagam, especially if the ragam is not specified in the prabhandam ( I don't know about this. Knowledgeable forumite can enlighten on this).

[jalaruja]

Dr. Prema Nandakumar is a renowned scholar and litterateur - google will give you plenty of info.

Thanks, rshankar. I have my father's audio, but converting them to mp3s is in the future. My father was a good musician, but he was quite old and frail when he recorded all the pAsurams for me. So, the quality may not be good...

[DrMM]

Namaste to one & all- I think that I have interacted with Mr.Lakshman & some of the others on sangeetham.org long ago. By way of introduction I am Dr.Mrinalini Menon.It feels good to be part of a sangeetha -based discussion after so long!
To get to the topic of Tiruppavai being sung by different vidwans/vidushis in different ragas, one that comes to mind immediately is :-
Pullum silambina kaaN : set by Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar in Shankarabharana (rendered in the same raga by Smt.Vedavalli, MLV& others) while Bombay sisters have rendered it in Bauli.

However as far as I have heard, the following pasurams & their corresponding ragas & talas seem relatively constant :-
1. Margazhi thingal - Nata-Adi
2. Vaiyatthu - Gowla- Misra chapu
3.Ongi ulagaLantha- Arabhi- Adi
4. Aazhi mazhai kanna - Varali (most musicians render it in dwikalaAdi tala, however the Bombay sisters' version is set to Misra chapu, which really makes it a beautiful, weighty piece enriched with sancharas)
5. MAyanai- Sri- Adi
6. ThoomaNi mADathu- Hamir Kalyani-Adi
7. KeechukeechenRengum- Bhairavi-Misra chapu
8. Ambarame-Kalyani-Khanda chapu
9. MAle maNivaNNa - KuntalavarALi-Adi
10.Orutthi maganAi piranthu- Behag-Adi
11. PuLin vai keenDAnai- Atana-Adi
12.KeezhvAnam-Dhanyasi-Khanda chapu
13. Ele iLam kiLiye - Begada- Misra chapu
14. Notru chuvarkam -Todi (tala- dwi kala Adi/Misra chapu).
15. KaRavaigaL pinsendru -Kambhoji- Adi
16. KooDARai- pUrvikalyani-Misra chapu
17. Kutthu viLakkeriya- Sahana-Adi(dwikala)
18.Vanga kaDal-Suruti-Misra chapu

Would be interested in hearing alternate renditions of the above!

[Lakshman]

I have a listing of many tiruppAvais where other rAgAs are used. I will try to generate a list and post it soon.

[Lakshman]

Here is the list. Corrections welcome. CAC refers to a book on Cassette recordings. DVG is Dravida Ganam.

Alli natramarai mel Kalyani M 65
Ambalame tannire sore Yamunakalyani Rupaka J 65
Ambalame tannire sore Mand Adi J 29
Ambarame tannire shore aram sheyyum (ti) Kannada Rupaka J 29 CAC/pg51
Ambarame tannire shore aram sheyyum (ti) Kalyani K/Chapu M 65 CAC/pg51 DVG/pg78
Ankan ma jnalattu arashar abhimana (ti) Yamunakalyani Chapu J 65 DVG/pg83
Ankan ma jnalattu arashar abhimana (ti) Bhairavi Adi J 20
Anrivvulagam alandai adi potri shenrangu (ti) Begada Adi J 29
Anrivvulagam alandai adi potri shenrangu (ti) Kurinji K/Chapu J 29 DVG/pg85
Anrivvulagam alandai adi potri shenrangu (ti) Sindhubhairavi Adi J 10 CAC/pg57
Ayanukku agattan kanda kana Saurashtra T/Adi J 17
Azhi mazhaikkanna onrum ni kaikaravel (ti) Malayamaruta Adi J 16
Azhi mazhaikkanna onrum ni kaikaravel (ti) Varali Adi J 39 CAC/pg64 DVG/pg65
Azhi mazhaikkanna onrum ni kaikaravel (ti) Kambhoji Adi J 28
Azhilum tozhilum uruga tan Varali Adi J 39
Chinnam chiru kale vandunnai sevittu (ti) Kalyani Adi M 65
Elle ilangiliye innam urangudiyo (ti) Saurashtra Ata J 17
Elle ilangiliye innam urangudiyo (ti) Begada Chapu J 29 CAC/pg98 DVG/pg76
Elle ilangiliye innam urungudiyo (ti) Shahana Adi J 28
Etra kalangal edir pongi midalippa (ti) Nadanamakriya Chapu J 15 CAC/pg111 DVG/pg82
Etra kalangal edir pongi midalippa (ti) Kambhoji Adi J 28
Iduven pughandadu Athana Adi J 29
Indiran ullitta devarkku Saranga Tisram J 65
Inru mutrum mudukku nova Arabhi Tisram J 29
Kadiroli dipam kalshamudanendi Saveri T/Adi J 15 DVG/pg115
Kalai ezhundirundu Bauli Adi J 15
Kanaittilam katrerumai kanrukkirangi ninaittu (ti) Surati ADi J 28
Kanaittilam katrerumai kanrukkirangi ninaittu (ti) Kedaragaula Adi J 28 CAC/pg152 DVG/pg73
Kannanennum karum deivam katshi (tim) Varali Adi J 39 DVG/pg124
Karavaigal pin shenru ganam sherndu unbom (ti) Kambhoji Adi J 28 CAC/pg159 DVG/pg89
Karavaigal pin shenru ganam sherndu unbom (ti) Dhanyasi Adi J 08
Karavaigal pin shenru ganam sherndu unbom (ti) Behag Adi J 29
Karkkodal pukkal karkkadal vannan (tim) Todi Chapu M 08 DVG/pg120
Karpuram narumo kamalappu narumo (tim) Khamas K/Chapu J 28 CAC/pg159
Karpuram narumo kamalappu narumo (tim) Nadanamakriya Adi J 15
Karpuram narumo kamalappu narumo (tim) Anandabhairavi Adi J 20 DVG/pg117
Katrukkaravai kanangal pala karandu (ti) Shahana Triputa J 28
Katrukkaravai kanangal pala karandu (ti) Vasanta Adi J 17
Katrukkaravai kanangal pala karandu (ti) Huseni Chapu J 22 CAC/pg164 DVG/pg72
Kattil vengadam Yamunakalyani C/Eka J 65
Kichuki senrengum (tip) Bhairavi Chapu J 20 CAC/pg165
Kichuki shenrengum anaichchattan (ti) Anandabhairavi Adi J 20
Kichuki shenrengum anaichchattan (ti) Bhairavi Chapu J 20 DVG/pg68
Kichuki shenrengum anaichchattan (ti) Bhupala Rupaka J 08
Kizhvanam vellenru erumai shiru vidu (ti) Bhupala Adi J 08
Kizhvanam vellenru erumai shiru vidu (ti) Kapi Adi J 22
Kizhvanam vellenru erumai shiru vidu (ti) Dhanyasi Chapu J 08 CAC/pg165 DVG/pg69
Kizhvanam vellenru erumai shiru vidu (ti) Saranga Chapu J 65 CAC/pg165
Kozhi azhaippadan munnam kudaindu niradu (tim) Athana Adi J 29 DVG/pg111
Kudarai vellum shir govinda undanai (ti) Kharaharapriya Adi M 22
Kudarai vellum shir govinda undanai (ti) Purvikalyani Adi J 53 CAC/pg168 DVG/pg88
Kudarai vellum shir govinda undanai (ti) Anandabhairavi Adi J 20
Kutti virundu kiliye eppodum Saranga Adi J 65
Kuttu vilakkeriya kottukakal kattilmel (ti) Nilambari Adi J 29
Kuttu vilakkeriya kottukkal kattilmel (ti) Shri Adi J 22
Kuttu vilakkeriya kottukkal kattilmel (ti) Shahana Adi J 28 DVG/pg80
Kuttu vilakkeriya kottukkal kattimel Chenjuruti Chapu J 28 CAC/pg173
Madhavi ter munbu kol kolla Bageshri Adi J 22
Male manivanna margazhi niraduvan (ti) Kuntalavarali Chapu J 28 DVG/pg87
Male manivanna margazhi niraduvan (ti) Arabhi Adi J 29 B/pg284
Mamutta niti shoriyum Sama Adi J 28
Mannu perum pugazh madhavan mamani (tim) Des Adi J 28 DVG/pg113
Mannu perum pugazh madhavan mamani (tim) Bageshri Adi J 22 DVG/pg113
Margazhi tingal madi nirainda nannalal (ti) Bilahari Ata J 29
Margazhi tingal madi nirainda nannalal (ti) Kalyani Adi M 65
Margazhi tingal madi nirainda nannalal (ti) Bauli Adi J 15 DVG/pg62
Margazhi tingal madi nirainda nannanal (ti) Nata Adi J 36 CACpg190
Mari malai muzhainjil (tip) Athana Adi J 29
Mari malai muzhainjil (tip) Bilahari Adi J 29 CAC/pg190
Mari malai muzhainjil (tip) Hamsadhvani Adi J 29
Mari malai muzhainjil (tip) Manirangu Chapu J 22 CAC/pg190
Mari mazhai muzhainjil mannikkidandu urangum (ti) Bilahari Adi J 29
Mari mazhai muzhainjil mannikkidandu urangum (ti) Punnagavarali Adi J 08 DVG/pg84
Mari mazhai muzhainjil mannikkidandu urangum (ti) Manirangu Chapu J 22
Mari mazhai muzhainjil mannikkidandu urangum (ti) Athana Adi J 29
Matrarindirkatkku ariyalagha madhavanenbor (tim) Saranga Adi J 65 DVG/pg123
Mayanai mannu vadamadurai maindanai (ti) Shri Adi J 22 CAC/pg194 DVG/pg66
Mayanai mannu vadamadurai maindanai (ti) Todi Rupaka M 08
Mullai piratti ni un muruvalgal kondu emmai (tim) Todi Adi M 08 DVG/pg121
Muppattu muvar amararukku mun shenru (ti) Deshi Adi J 28
Muppattu muvar amararukku mun shenru (ti) Shanmukhapriya Adi M 56
Muppattu muvar amararukku mun shenru (ti) Chenjuruti Chapu J 28 CAC/pg200 DVG/pg81
Nalla ven tozhi naganai (ti) Mohana J 28
Namam ayirametta ninra narayana narane (tim) Arabhi Tisram J 29 DVG/pg110
Naranamum pozhil malirum sholai (ti) Bauli Adi J 15
Nattai padai enrayan (ti) Kurinji Adi J 29
Nayakanai ninra nanda gopanudaiya (ti) Darbar Adi J 22 CAC/pg216
Nayakanai ninra nanda gopanudaiya (ti) Kharaharapriya Adi M 22
Nayakanai ninra nanda gopanudaiya (ti) Mohana Adi J 28 CAC/pg216 DVG/pg77
Nayakanai ninra nanda gopanudaiya (ti) Yamunakalyani Adi J 65
Nayakanai ninra nandagopanudaiya (ti) Bhupala Adi J 08 BM/pg317
Notru svargam pughuginra ammanai matramum (ti) Chenjuruti Adi J 28
Notru svargam pughuginra ammanai matramum (ti) Nadanamakriya Adi J 15 CAC/pg231
Notru svargam pughuginra ammanai matramum (ti) Todi Adi M 08 CAC/pg231 DVG/pg71
Notru svargam pughuginra ammanai matramum (ti) Asaveri Adi J 08
Ongi ulagalanda uttaman perpadi nangal (ti) Shubhapantuvarali Rupaka M 45
Ongi ulagalanda uttaman perpadi nangal (ti) Sindhubhairavi J 10 CAC/pg233
Ongi ulagalanda uttaman perpadi nangal (ti) Arabhi Adi J 29 CAC/pg233 DVG/pg64
Ongi ulaglaanda uttaman perpadi nangal (ti) Kamavardhini Triputa M 51
Ongi ulaglaanda uttaman perpadi nangal (ti) Dhanyasi Rupaka J 08 B/pg284
Orutti maghanai pirandu orarivil (ti) Kedaragaula Adi J 28
Orutti maghanai pirandu oriravil (ti) Behag Adi J 29 CAC/pg234 DVG/pg86
Orutti maghanai pirandu oriravil (ti) Shankarabharana Adi M 29
Pashi durattukkidanda (ti) Anandabhairavi Chapu J 20
Patti meindor kareru paladevakku or (ti) Kurinji Adi J 29 DVG/pg125
Pullin vai kindanai polla arakkai killikka (ti) Kanada J 22 CAC/pg256
Pullin vai kindanai polla arakkai killikka (ti) Shahana J 28 CAC/pg256
Pullin vai kindanai polla arakkai killikka (ti) Mohana Adi J 28
Pullin vai kindanai polla arakkalai killikka (ti) Athana Chapu J 29 DVG/pg74
Pullum shilambina kanbullaraiyan (ti) Shankarabharana Chapu M 29 DVG/pg67
Pullum shilambina kanbullaraiyan (ti) Bhupala Adi J 08
Shitramshiru kale vandunnai sevittu (ti) Malayamaruta Adi J 16 CAC/pg84
Shitramshiru kale vandunnai sevittu (ti) Madhyamavati Chapu J 22 CAC/pg84 DVG/pg90
Shitramshiru kale vandunnai sevittu (ti) Kalyani Adi M 65
Shitramshiru kale vandunnai sevittu (ti) Karnatakadevagandhari Chapu J 22
Sindura shempodippol tirumalin sholai (tim) Bauli Adi J 15 DVG/pg119
Taiyoru tingalum tarai vilakkittan (tim) Saveri Adi J 15 DVG/pg109
Tamukakkum tangaiyil sangame povayo (tim Anandabhairavi Chapu J 20 DVG/pg122
Telliyar palarkai tozhum devanar vallal (tim) Yamunakalyani C/Eka J 65 DVG/pg112
Totru svargam pughuginra ammanai (ti) Asaveri Adi J 08
Tumani madattu shutrum vilakkeriya (ti) Khamas Adi J 28
Tumani madattu shutrum vilakkeriya (ti) Hamirkalyani Adi J 65 DVG/pg70
Tumani madattu shutrum vilakkeriya (ti) Mohana Adi J 28
Undu madagalitran odada tolvaliyan nandagopalan (t Hindola Adi J 20
Undu madagalitran odada tolvaliyan nandagopalan (t Saveri Adi J 15 CAC/pg344 DVG/pg79
Ungal puzhaikkadai tottattu vaviyul shenkazhunir ( Saranga Adi J 65
Ungal puzhakkadai tottattil vaviyil shenkazhunir ( Dhanyasi Adi J 08
Ungal puzhakkadai tottattu vaviyil shenkazhunir (t Anandabhairavi Chapu J 20 CAC/pg344 DVG/pg75
Vai nallar nalla marai udi Athana T/Adi J 29
Vaiyattu vazhvirgal namum (ti) Kamavardhini Adi M 51
Vaiyattu vazhvirgal namum (ti) Simhendramadhyam Chapu M 57
Vaiyattu vazhvirgal namum (ti) Gaula Adi J 15 CAC/pg348
Vanga kadal kadainda madhavanai keshavanai (ti) Madhyamavati Adi J 22
Vanga kadal kadainda madhavanai keshavanai (ti) Surati Chapu J 28 CAC/pg353 DVG/pg91
Varanam ayiram shuzha valam sheidu (tim) Ragamalika Tisram J --
Varanam ayiram suzha valam sheidu (tim) Huseni Tisram J 22 DVG/pg114
Varishilai valmukhattennai mar Jonpuri T/Adi J 20 DVG/pg116
Vayyattu vazhvirgal namum nambavaikku (ti) Vasanta Adi J 17 DVG/pg63
Vellai nun manarkondu Saveri Adi J 15
Vinnila melappu virittarppol meghangal (tim) Sama Adi J 28 DVG/pg118

[Pasupathy]

Thanks Lakshman.

The list contains (among others) the Ragas tuned by Gottuvadyam Sri V.S. Parthasarathi Iyengar . ( e.g . mArgazhi -bilahari, vaiyaththu -panthuvarali etc)

[Lakshman]

MLV's renditions are available here:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ac585k ... %5B/URL%5D

Here is the list of tiruppavai song tuned by Ariyakudi. The red marked rAgAs are different from the list posted earlier. The unnumbered songs are additional ones tuned by ARI.

1. mArgazhi tingaL - nATa-Adi
2. vaiyattu - gaulL- cApu
3.Ongi ulagaLanda- Arabhi- Adi
4. Azhi mazhai kaNNA - vaALi (most musicians render it in dvikala Adi tala, however the Bombay sisters'
version is set to cApu, which really makes it a beautiful, weighty piece enriched with sanchArAs)
5. mAyanai- shrI- Adi
6. tUmaNi mADattu- hamIrkalyANi-Adi (mOhana)
7. kIcukIcenrengum- bhairavi-cApu
8. ambarame-kalyANi-k/cApu
9. mAlE maNivaNNA - kuntalavarALi-Adi
10. orutti maganAi pirandu- behAg-Adi (kAnaDA)
11. puLLin vai kInDAnai- aThAnA-Adi
12. kIzhvANam-dhanyasi-k/cApu (kalyANi)
13. EllE iLam kiLiyE - bEgaDa- cApu (shahAnA)
14. noTru cuvarkam -tODi (tala- dvi kala Adi/cApu).
15. karavaigaL pinsenru -kAmbhOji- Adi
16. kUDArai- pUrvikalyANi-cApu
17. kuttu viLakkeriya- shahAnA-Adi(dvikala) (maNirangu)
18. vanga kaDal-suraTi-cApu

Other Pasurams
kaTrukkaravai - husEni - cApu
ungaL puzhikkaDai - Anandabhairavi - Adi
nAyakanAi - darbAr - Adi
undumada kaLiTra - sAvEri - Adi
muppattu mUvar - nAdanAmakriyA - cApu
ETra kalanga - behAg - Adi
angaN mA jnyAlattarasar - kurinji - Adi
mAri malai muzhanjil - rItigauLa - Adi
anrivvulaga - vasantA - Adi