Historical Account OF C.M. in North America since 1950's

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srini_pichumani
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VKV Sir,

Thank you for the fascinating anecdotes and your lively narration, warts-and-all ! Carrying the mridangam on the head for 20 blocks in NYC must have been trying and tiring !

I don't have anything remotely interesting to narrate... but I am very familiar with the career and work of one of the people you mention -- Harold Powers -- as regards Indian classical music and Carnatic music in particular. Also in general with the course of Musicology/Ethnomusicology in the US while I was at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Bob Brown (Wesleyan/Berkeley/San Diego), Robert Garfias (Seattle/Irvine), William Malm (Ann Arbor) got started at UCLA under the guidance of Mantle Hood who introduced the concept of "bi-musicality" similar to "bi/multi-lingualism", and established the first Ethnomusicology department in a US university. Seemingly, the special emphasis on not just the study but also authentic performance of non-Western musical traditions in US universities began with Prof.Hood's espousal of bi-musicality. The specific emphasis on gamelan was because he himself studied under the Dutch musicologist Jaap Kunst (the Dutch --> Batavia connection !!! ) -- witness the numerous gamelan ensembles in music departments in the US.

One of Bob Brown's signal contribution was to break free of this "ethnomusicology" moniker and simply refer to it as "World Music". Introducing it at Wesleyan must have taken immense dedication and perseverance, since US universities are more resistant to curriculum change and more bureaucratic in process than even South Block/North Block in Delhi.

Prof.T.Viswanathan arrived in UCLA in 1958 on a Fulbright fellowship and renewed his association with Bob Brown and met others like Prof.Malm who he talked about during his visits to Ann Arbor. He also mentioned playing on a gamelan ensemble himself. By the way, one of his students at Wesleyan Joseph Getter has written a thesis about Carnatic music history in the US entitled "Saraswati's journey". I remember him referring to a Carnatic musician of sorts in the LA area in still earlier times.

The 1950s were indeed a heady time, it seems -- with the Western seaboard innovating with new departments than starchier East coast departments. For example, Swami Agehananda Bharati, showed up around 55/56 in UW, Seattle, reinventing himself as a "kultur-kreis" scholar/anthropologist and seemed to have had a fun time studying/teaching all kinds of stuff before he landed up at Syracuse in the East -- he refers to the city as "just to the right of Louis XIV" :)

Reverting back to Harold Powers -- he was without a doubt the most perceptive and distinctive scholar of Carnatic music outside South Indian circles from a serious academic/musicological viewpoint -- and yes, that indeed includes North India too which is such a shame. A classic in this regard is his entry on Indian music and on the subject of Mode in the New Grove Dictionary of music. His PhD thesis "The Background of the South Indian Raga System" is a seminal work and also several articles in journals like Asian Music are very thought provoking on the subject of Raga nomenclature, steering clear of just bland/dry taxonomies which have had a solid run in S.Indian musicology !

Powers' trajectory was different: he came to India to study Carnatic music in 1952 itself and left in 1954. He studied under various people including Musiri Subramania Iyer (a few varnams), Prof.Sambamurti, P.Balakrishnan, CSIyer and his daughter Smt.Vidya Shankar, V.Ranganayaki etc and interacted with GNB, Veena Doraiswami Iyengar etc.

But most importantly and intensively under Rangaramanuja Iyengar for close to a year, and from whose KritiManiMalai he learnt several pieces ! He was very close to RRI and his daughter Smt.Padma Varadan and in my interactions with him and Padma mami, I learnt the extent to which he imbibed the Carnatic music tradition.

Needless to say, he gave performances in India during the course and towards the end of his studies -- here's a photo of him at Tiruvayyaru in Jan 1953 which was referred to and reported in a Jan 1956 article in the Swadesamitran.

[img]file:///C:/Users/srini/Downloads/Harold%20Powers%201953%20Tiruvayyaru.jpg[/img]

srini_pichumani
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I have uploaded the photo and Swadesamitran 1956 pages at

https://archive.org/details/HaroldPowers1953Tiruvayyaru

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srini_pichumani,
So good to see your post after many moons.

Reading what a scholar says in crystal clear words is a joy. You add value to our VKV's priceless narration.Thanks :)

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Dear Srini Pichumani,
It was exciting to read your account about Harold Powers as I knew him well also & was going to cover his role & contributions when I resume my Tales after Cleveland Aradhana. I TRULY enjoyed your telephone call esp. about Mali. I want to start a MALI SECTION & between the two of us I think WE can do a decent job of covering his ENORMOUS CONRTRIBUTIONS. I was EXCITED to learn about his flute choosing methods, procedures etc. Instead of wasting time on his so called faults-people throwing stones in a Glass House Phenomena- etc WHICH every one can duplicate HIS PLAYING GENIUS CANNOT EVEN BE REMOTELY MATCHED! The WORLD should come to know what ONE OF A KIND GENIUS WAS LIKE....REGS, VKV

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Dear CACM,

Please touch upon the role played by sri Lalgudi Sir for C M in NorthAmerica.His innovative VVV concert i beleive was a big success.Prior to VVV concert,was there any concert tour by Sri Lalgudi sir.

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hnbhagavan wrote:Dear CACM,
Please touch upon the role played by sri Lalgudi Sir for C M in NorthAmerica.His innovative VVV concert i beleive was a big success.Prior to VVV concert,was there any concert tour by Sri Lalgudi sir.
I will be covering LGJ-N.R.-R.R.-T.S-T.R TOUR IN GREAT LENGTH later as I feel M.S. TOUR ESP UN APPEARANCE IN '66 as well as LGJ'S TOUR is what has MADE CARNATIC MUSIC SCENE in terms of concerts EQUAL IF NOT BETTER THAN EVEN INDIA .VKV

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srini_Pitchumani Sir,

Very good narration of the part of the history, Karnataka Music, growth and development in N.A. Together with VKV Sir and others who were part of this history also joining, the work will be of immense value.
munirao2001

srini_pichumani
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Thank you, Arasi madam, VKV/Munirao Sirs for you kind comments.

But seriously, VKV Sir, I am hardly the person to write on the great Mali other than share a general anecdote or two. If you want to strictly have a rasika write about his inimitable Emden flutes or revolutionary flute technique in any level of serious detail, you could do no better than enlist Uday Shankar's help !!!

I have observed for long that instrumentalists, be it a professional or a serious amateur, are ipso facto "material" scientists, and the more non-linear and idiosyncratic the instrument at hand, the more the merrier they are tinkering with their instruments, in the best sense of the term ! So Uday it will have to be :)
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Coming back to historical account of CM in NA, what a great blessing and a most happy coincidence the Pittsburgh Venkateshwara temple summer music education program was... for close to a dozen years from the mid-80s to 90s, I was witness to the fantastic array of master teachers/scholars/performers who "adorned" that program (I realize I am going a little gA-gA here, but it had to be seen to be believed)... I don't know how well that program is doing at the present but it benefitted a whole lot of serious music students and/or gave them the impetus to go further like Ashwin-Rohin, Vikram Sundararaman, and brought a lot of serious amateurs/jokesters like Ramesh Mahadevan of Palvaayanteeswaran fame to Carnatic music.

Imagine sauntering along a warm July afternoon through the temple corridor and coming across Prof. TRS teaching an advanced student in an open setting, seated on the pyol as it were ! Suffused with the worship, darshan, and more suffused being outside of a goodly amount of puliyodarai and thayir saadam, yours truly proceeded to ask rather brashly/abruptly for him to sing "sr'I vis'vanAtham bhajeham" and he obliged most graciously. It was quite obvious that he was ready to oblige any serious student/rasika of music, whatever be the request !

Shri.Neyyatinkara Vasudevan, Mahamahopadhyaya Nookala Chinna Satyanarayana, Shri,R.K.Srikantan followed by the famed Musiri trio (!) Prof.TRS (1990-91), Prof.SRJ (1992-93), TKGovinda Rao Sir (1994-95), Shri P.Surya Rao, and others taught for 1 or 2 summers each and the students/rasikas in and around Pittsburgh for a radius of several hundred miles were in a for a total treat attending classes, lec-dems, concerts at the temple and nearby towns. Gushing reports of these incredible performances have been recorded for posterity in rec.music.indian.classical by various folks who were in CMU in those days or visitors.
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From each one of these we heard absolutely great pieces of music, amazing anecdotes and vignettes of the past, but most of all beheld in amazement their nurturing of various levels of talent into serious, purposeful, music performance or rasikatvam ! One exceeded the other as it were in what they had to tell us and how they lead us into treasures of the past.

What a truism "endarO mahAnubhAvulu andariki vandanamu" is ! Hence my twist on the famous s'loka: yatra yatra karnATa kIrtanam, tatra tatra krtamastakAnjaliM !


Srikantan Sir's renditions of pAlisemma muddu s'Arade and other Dasara pagagalu, TKG's monumental patience in teaching the 1st cakra of the mELa-rAgamAlikA of Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan, and his description of the tone-colors that one has to perceive in the mElakartas, and insistence on the use of a non-rule-thaDi voice to realize the thick/thin shades in music...

You could quiz a Prof.SRJ about the greatness of Tiger's style or ask him to sing not a run-of-the-mill but a graduate course 501/601 level Begada and he would get all serious and fidgety... perhaps by the adhika-prasangatvamu or audacity of the question/questioner (!) ... but he would withdraw into himself and come out with the most beautiful music and allude to the stylistics of Tiger en-passant ! There was a small girl who learnt from him at Pittsburgh who would even render every kriti with the classic SRJ body-language... and what glories of Annamacharya that he sang and lec-demmed !

-Srini.

ps: Dropping the ka may seem to make it nicRd, but I prefer it that way or ask for rnA to be sounded out as 2 syllables like Nya in varENyam !

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Srini Pichumani,

A name I recognize from the early 1990s because of RMIC! Always a pleasure to read your posts!

I was waiting for this thread to get into the 1980s and 1990s (so that we could discuss PittsburghTemple classes, RMIC etc), after VKV Sir completes his chronicles of the 1960s and 1970s. Nonetheless, it is always nice to read your posts.

I have a bit of 1970s history that I am going to write about and share some music when we get to the 1970s.

Regarding Pittsburgh and Sri R K Srikantan Sir, one recording I enjoy very much is a track of Purandara Dasa's "anugAlavu chinte" in AbhOgi rAga.
The track information shows R K Srikantan and Disciple Pittsburgh Purandaradasa Kritis. In this track, Sri R K S has not sung, but a lady has sung this song so beautifully. I believe someone had identified her name in one of the threads on our Forum but I have forgotten her name.

Reading your post, I regret I did not ask Sri S R J for some glimpses of Tiger's style when I spent a good 3 hours listening to his music (accompanied by Ashwin and Rohin) in a house concert around 2005 or 2006.
I have vivid memories of my Father Veena Raja Rao displaying Tiger's style and mannerisms as he recalled his association with Tiger during late 1920s, 1930s and 1940s.

Looking forward to more from VKV Sir and others on this thread!

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Dear all, I am TIED UP hopelessly till April 15th(Cleveland); I will be resuming where I left chronologically in detail.
So please write what ypu wish irrespective of time line. Thanks, VKV

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Folks: being the Late latif that I am I noticed this thread today. Congrats to VKV for "unlocking" the inside stories of popularising CM in NA. In my opinion apart from the Westerners like Bob Brown who have rendered yeoman service to CM I cannot think of a BETTER PERSON than VKV to undertake this Chronicle.
As a person who has been in the US since 1969,I have personally witnessed the struggles that folks like VKV and Cleveland Sundaram have undergone in the early years. Mind you these persons were FIRST Generation immigrants and they came and established themselves in the US on their own credentials and with their own hard work and passion for music. This may sound trite now but when most of us came in the sixties there were people in "high Places" who professed great interest in CM(many of them South Indians) and they did not raise a finger to support people like VKV and Cleveland Sundaram in their organisational efforts. During the MSS tour to the UN in 1966,although certain "dignitaries" stole the thunder and photo opportunities,I was told by many that VKV and his brother and sister-in-law did all the grunt work--VKV could narrate how he carried the Ghatam and Mridangam and ran 20 or 30 blocks in Manhattan when the "host" dignitary could have offered transportation available to him!!

The LGJ VVV tour was another mammoth undertaking which VKV single-handedly ( I attended the first meeting when I was a student) pushed the concept --none of the committee members had any experience with arranging a single concert--let alone a concert tour and that too an experiment like Veena-Venu-Violin that had never been conceived before-there were no CM institutions to sponsor. So VKV had to rely on his contacts with the Universities-mainly Universities like Wesleyan,UCLA--mind you--all these in the midst of "juggling" a career and family--there were no TV interviews to popularise the concerts--Indian newspapers were rare--the Govt of India officials--the Consulates et al were indifferent-despite the fact that some of the same "persons" would strut about for a photo-op when some Media coverage happened. The travel schedule "logistics" were nightmarish(the VUSA ticket--Visit USA) with all of its "rube-goldberg" type of restrictions/hurdles had to be scaled--mind you there were Airline Officials in high places(Indians) and expatriate Indian bankers who could have helped in the logistics but were busy with their own "High Society" get togethers(I am sure VKV would have approached them for help if he felt they would be receptive!!). How many road trips of over 300 miles VKV would have made(I was a "no-good travelling companion" to "entertain" the artistes with VKV playing the Sarathy role--finish the concert in Buffalo(Friday night) drive the night to Boston for a Saturday concert and drive to Philadelphia for a Sunday concert and host the artistes during the work week--he was in New City--a suburb of NY--with VKV's wife Selvi playing the dutiful hostess and VKV on his way to his Space Escapades!!!
Now in the 1990's and 2000's individuals are doing it but back in those days it was a different story.

I am sure VKV would write his own account of the LGJ tour(I would be glad to pitch in with anecdotes etc!!) but when I look back--almost 45 years ago- I simply marvel at the dedication and zeal of pioneers like VKV and VVS. When I hear some insensitive comments from leading musicians(one of them is purported to have commented as to WHY he was not coming for the Cleveland festival that he did not need the "prop" for his career advancement!!) I wonder whether they realise how much of sweat and toil has gone into popularising CM--the fruits of which they and the individual sponsors of their concerts today are reaping!!--a harsh and sad case of biting the hand that fed you!!!

I must add a personal note -- I have not been very active in any of the institutions--except hosting artists like MSAmma,KVN,LGJ et al for 2 reasons--
1. Back in India I was "sucked" into the music scene by my Father(when he was associated with Shanmukhananda Sabha in Bombay,helping in other start-ups in the suburbs like KhaR(Music Circle started by Ramabhadran of SAFE in Chennai), Dombivli etc--receiving the artistes at the station and hosting them in our 500 Sq.ft flat in matunga running "errands" for the musicians etc just tired me out so that when I came to the USA I had deliberately kept myself aloof from active participation in the arrangemnts etc. You might say I was "jaded".
2. I decided to be "selfish" in taking care of my young family--all the more I admire VKV and VVS and their wives because they were successful on both fronts--the Family and the Cultural.

But for all the "Jadedness" I felt I must acknowledge these assocaitions benefitted me a lot in appreciating Carnatic Music and its Practitioners. I DO NOT REGRET A WEE BIT THOSE HARDSHIPS AND INCONVENIENCES-- I have learnt so much from the artistes thro off-the-stage chats that I have a great deal of empathy for the artistes who have taken to the art form .

WHEN VKV RESUMES HIS CHRONICLING I WILL BUTT IN WHEREVER I FIND AN OPENING!!!!

To all of you ardent forumites, who have been the backbone of this organisation' I tip my hat off!! More power to your digital protuberances that enable your informative and thought-provoking contributions

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MKR sir, VKV sir or Srini,
As usual there is eloquence in writing by MKR, Thanks . I recollect vaguely a writing of CM in NA. Few of my relatives , acquaintances also have held high opinion on Cleveland Balu. Perhaps either you , VKV or any one else can write bit more on cleveland balu . Cleveland Balu is also an old timer who can connect from 50's - i donot know when he came to usa. Very recently in Arkay hall , he was presiding and told that he was a last minute replacement of VVS . Bit more about Cleveland Balu will help. I could hear and see a tremendous sense of positivism in cleveland balu.

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Dear Rajehnat,
DON'T HAVE ENERGY OR TIME ! LET ME COVER THE INITIAL GIANTS ESP. AMERICANS WHO STARTED IT ALL! YOU will be surprised at the role of Rangaramanujam Iyengar not only reg. Papanasam Sivan but C.M. IN N.A.! VKV

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Sreeni Rajarao wrote

Regarding Pittsburgh and Sri R K Srikantan Sir, one recording I enjoy very much is a track of Purandara Dasa's "anugAlavu chinte" in AbhOgi rAga.
The track information shows R K Srikantan and Disciple Pittsburgh Purandaradasa Kritis. In this track, Sri R K S has not sung, but a lady has sung this song so beautifully. I believe someone had identified her name in one of the threads on our Forum but I have forgotten her name.
You are most likely talking about Seethalakshmi Madhavan from Pittsburgh who is a disciple of R K Srikantan. She still lives in Pittsburgh :-)

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Shanks,
Thank you! Any chance She might be related to Sri Ashok Madhavan, the vAggEyakAra from Pittsburgh? Just wondering....

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Finally delivering on what I promised on March 15th! " ...... I have a bit of 1970s history that I am going to write about and share some music when we get to the 1970s"

In the early 1970s, as Sri VKV and others were working hard with the big names of Carnatic Music, there were other small scale efforts going on elsewhere across USA.
Newly arrived immigrants continued to bring along with them their passion for Carnatic Music. Some of them were trained performers while the bigger number was that of Rasika-s.

I am familiar with one such effort.

In the year 1973, my sister Veena Kinhal arrived in Ann Arbor, Michigan as a newly married 20 year old. She carried with her an instrument close to the heart in our family for over two centuries - the Veena.

Even as she was settling down in her newly adopted home, she enrolled for a class in Music appreciation at Washtenaw Community College.

The Professor at WCC organized Veena’s concert in Ann Arbor on June 6th 1974.

During those days, there were not many accompanying artistes available in Metro Detroit area. As she could not find a mRdanga player or a Ghata player to accompany her, she presented a Veena concert sans any accompaniments!

I am presenting here two items from that concert:

Mysore Vasudevachar’s composition “praNamAmyaham” in gowLa
https://archive.org/details/VeenaKinhal ... yahamGowLa

Mysore Karigiri Rao’s composition nenaruncarA vanajAksha in mOhana
(As far as I know there are only two recordings available of this kRti. And I have both of them! In addition to this recording presented below, I have a video recording of the same kRti performed in Bangalore in the year 1994 where she was accompanied by Sri Bangalore K Venkataram and Sri A V Kashinath. I plan to upload this video on my YouTube channel in the near future)

https://archive.org/details/VeenaKinhal ... Vanajaksha

Around same time in 1974, Veena wrote a letter and introduced herself to Mr. Jon Higgins who was at York University in Toronto.
Mr. Higgins responded with a letter of encouragement and asked her to connect with one of his friends at Oberlin College, Ohio.

The Music department at Oberlin College organized a concert that summer of 1974.

In the Fall Semester of 1974, Veena taught a class at Washtenaw Community College – Introduction to Carnatic Music.

Much later in the year 1987, Veena taught a course of Carnatic Music appreciation for one semester at the University of New Mexico, Los Alamos.

Veena also conducted classes at Riverside Community College in California between the years 1989 and 1992.
I was lucky to attend a concert she presented at U C Riverside during March of 1990 with Mr Rusty Gillette accompanying her on the mRdanga.

Veena has been teaching veena and vocal lessons for over 40 years now in the U S (in San Diego since 1993), and performs occasionally as she did in the Cleveland Tyagaraja Festival in 2004.

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Sreeni,
What beautiful veena music! To untutored ears it may sound like some exotic oriental instrumental melody. To me it sounds as a resounding echo of a robust Mysore bani veena music nurtured in the rosewood-pillared halls of musical dedication and enduring application.

That a young lady carried her veena like her beloved memories around the globe and worked to present and teach her music in far off America is a real saga. Just like the story I read about how someone took an araLi mara (ashwattha tree) from Mysore and planted it in America where it stands tall with beauty, grace and rich foliage even today!

Thanks for sharing!

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Sreeni - that was divine! Thank you so much for sharing. IMO fact, these tracks without accompaniment sound so meditative, are are just perfect. I think any sort of accompaniment, however sensitive, would sound intrusive...reminds me of a track that was floating around, where Smt. MSS sings without any accompaniment.

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Srini Rajarao avarige,

Remember Veena as a small kid running around with her father and sister

in Ramamandira of Narasimharaja colony.

What an achievement!

Her playing is divine, so natural and pleasing,

Thanks for sharing a beautiful performance.

DhanyavAdagaLu.

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Sreeni Raja Rao Sir,

Thanks for the report and its heartening to know about the Vidushee Veena Kinhal and her contribution.
AIR, Mysore and Bengaluru must be having the Mysuru composers concert of RKS, in which he had sung "Nenarunchara Vanajaksha". Mysuru Bros, Sukanya Prabhakar, MS Sheela and TS Sathyavathi have also learnt this composition and have performed. I have no idea about the availability of their performance recordings-private and AIR.

munirao2001

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RSachi >> To me it sounds as a resounding echo of a robust Mysore bani veena music nurtured in the
RSachi >> rosewood-pillared halls of musical dedication and enduring application.

Hear, Hear ! Thank you very much, Sreeni Sir, for this recording. Very very beautiful. And to think that it was in all the familiar stomping grounds of Washtenaw Community College, Ann Arbor, metro-Detroit, etc makes it more nostalgic for all the good times a bunch of us music aficionados had there... and hence all the more sweet.

I have a question -- was this a special-sized instrument or did she use thinner strings, since Veena's veena seems to be pitched at 5.5 kaTTai ? Did she also sing along with the veena perhaps, although I am not sure if this is typical Mysore style ?

-Srini.

ps: The closest in pitch to this that I can think of is Veena Dhanammal's veena itself -- varying from 4.5-5 kaTTai depending on the recordings you hear with all their artifacts (!). Although only an isolated instance is captured on the recording of "mahima teliya taramA", the fact that she always sang along with her veena is confirmed by numerous statements of Rangaramanuja Iyengar and others.

Similarly, I believe MSS and KSN play at approx 4 kaTTai in one of the Kalki Garden recordings, where MSS sings "bhajare".

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Thank you all for your comments on my post and the music I uploaded on May 26th.

I am happy to see such a level of interest and I am motivated to share more from my collection.

Please allow me for a bit of digression from the main topic of this thread.

This particular recording from 1974 takes me back to my childhood where I was fortunate to wake up to this kind of music being performed in the adjacent room. My Father Veena Raja Rao (1909-1979) preferred early morning time for his sAdhana – pure Veena nAda without any accompaniments!

Srini Pichumani,
Specific to this particular 1974 recording, I have also noted that pitch is on the high side. I am sure the instrument used was a standard size Mysore Veena and I do not think Veena used any thinner strings (I will ask if she remembers – this recording is from 1974!)
I can only attribute this to the exuberance of a 20 year old! That’s what I hear whenever I listen to this recording from 1974.
In addition to the above goWLa and mOhana kRtis, other items performed in this concert were the nAtakuranji varNa (of course, the first item of the concert!), bhAvayAmi raghu rAmam and Seshanna’s tillanA in junjhOTi

In the above concert Veena did not sing along.

I do not have enough data points to say if singing along is an aspect of the Mysore Bani. However, I can say that my Father from a lineage of quintessential Mysore Bani, example here:
https://archive.org/details/VeenaRajaRao1930sAlbum

used to sing along in his performances, but that was only toward the end of the concert – typically for haridAsa kRti-s that he had set to tune, he would sing along while performing on the Veena.

I have a good collection of Veena’s recordings from 1974 to most recent ones from 2014. I have noted that Veena has always enjoyed singing along in her performances and I have recordings of some of her performances from 1991 onward that feature a good portion of singing along.

I have shared some of them before such as this from a 2009 performance in Troy, Michigan.
simhEndramadhyama kRti of Mysore Vasudevachar (nIkenduku dayarAdu rAma):
https://archive.org/details/VeenaKinhal ... lebrations

rA rA rAjIva lOcana rAma, another well known kRti of Mysore Vasudevachar:
https://archive.org/details/RaRaRajivaL ... Kinhal2009

Please check out my YouTube channel for about 20 uploads.
I have been meaning to upload a lot more of her recordings for so many years and I will definitely start doing that soon.
This will include fascinating recordings that feature singing along in rAgas such as sAramati, mOhana, AbhEri, saraswati, kApi, kuranji, Arabhi etc..

Considering the level of interest in our Forum regarding an in-depth analysis of pitch related aspects specific to the Veena (instrument), I have realized I can perhaps provide enough material for research by enthusiasts like Uday Shankar, Srini Pichumani, R Sachi and others!

I have several hours of recordings of my sister Veena’s performances spanning about 40 years from 1974 onward and one thing I have noted is the variation in the pitch and tone.

This is mainly due to her having to use different instruments for different performances, as they have been performances in the US, Canada and India.
I can narrow down most of these recordings to the specific instrument she has used in each performance, and the reason behind why she had to use that particular instrument in that specific concert!

I will open a separate thread for this specific discussion and provide recording samples.

Again, sorry for the digression from the main topic of this thread.

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