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vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Let me resurrect the long discussed but never implemented desire to have some insignia that identifies people from our forum so you can recognize each other and introduce themselves. If I recall right, the consensus was a lapel pin or equivalent. That should work fine, at least good enough for an experiment.

There is one new entrant since we discussed last. It is the phenomenon of 'wearables'. It is typically a wrist band that measures and displays various things like counting steps etc. ( from jawbone, fitbit, nike etc and Apple this fall if rumors are true). I am mentioning these things not to ask you buy them but to make the point that wearing a wrist band is not weird or unusual anymore. For women, this is not an issue since they are already used to wearing bangles etc on their wrists. But the form and color etc have to be tastefully and aesthetically chosen so people would want to wear it. We can think of such an wrist band with rasikas.org written around it which should be easily recognizable. Who knows, we may be the trailblazers on wristband insignia!

Anyway, which ever form the insignia takes, let us shoot for deciding on something by September so we will have them in members' wrists for the season. That can be the new thing for this season!!

Now, it is easy to say all the above but implementing it is orders of magnitude harder. But let that not deter us. Even a few people wearing it is fine for starters since it can spread virally.

Here is one strictly for illustration purposes. I found a wristband with some letters on it and spent an extraordinary amount of time to overlay rasikas.org!! Color, lettering, font are all up for grabs of course. Artists of the forum, go for it!

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Rsachi
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Post by Rsachi »

Vasanthakokilam,
How about a nice lapel pin (rough design on my mobile) we can get made in US, which can be sold for USD 5 each to members and the money left after cost be given to a worthy related cause? And the idea is any time anyone goes to any concert he would wear it.
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Re: Will the coming december season be different?

Post by CRama »

I also support the need for a insignia for our members- whether it is wrist band or a lapel pin. Wrist band looks more elegant.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

We have discussed this often but have never done anything.

Sachi, lapel pin is very much fine with me. And your design looks good too.

Members need to show some enthusiasm so we can estimate the demand and get the wearables made. Until then, this will just be like other times where we talk about this but nothing gets done. Would this year be any different?

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Post by arasi »

Sachi,
Yes, it's a nice looking pin, reflecting Rasikas.org logo. The colors are pleasing, and the background is striking but not gaudy (easy to see from a distance). The only thing to consider is the size. Not bigger than a regular pin--not the rosette-size, I hope :)

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Post by rshankar »

arasi wrote:The only thing to consider is the size. Not bigger than a regular pin--not the rosette-size, I hope :)
Maybe the idea is to have it support the inclusion of a mike (like a 007 gizmo), perhaps??

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Post by venkatakailasam »

As for as the background color, it looks to be nearer to a saffron color..

There are many who are allergic to this color...Associated with RSS and Modi..especially while moving in a crowd..

Let us be secular....

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I had designed a lapel pin for GE back in 1995 to celebrate 100 years of x-ray. The size and mechanical design was finally driven by manufacturing options. It was made in India and France - was gold-plated. :)
There are good online mfg sources in New York.
The background colour has to be tried with the mfgr - has to give good visibility to the rainbow colours of the letters.

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vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Thanks Sachi. Their price comes to around $3.00 and change.

How are prices in India for such things?

I saw this site: http://www.industrialconnections.co.in/ ... lapel-pins

Can one of you call the phone number provided and ask them for a quote? Thx.

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Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

After the Global Rasikas Meet at Chennai in 2010, I have made an ID card after discussions with our
forum members.

A consensuses was arrived at and I have made the ID card for about 50 members initially by a good Samaritan Sri Chandrasekhar, who is manufacturer of " EASWAR " Sruthi boxes in Chennai free of cost.
Some how the distribution to the ID cards was not done.
I am now in PUNE spending my time with my grand children.
The ID cards are in Chennai and will be back in Chennai by the second week of September.
I will scan the ID card and post it in this thread.

I would request Sri Vasanthakokilam to wait till my ID is viewed by the Rasikas before finalizing the manufacturing of the ID card.

S.NAGESWARAN.
21.08.2014.

vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Thanks Nageswaran.

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Post by CRama »

Vasanthakokilam, Let us further discuss and finalise the rasikas. org insignia.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

CRama, thanks for surfacing this. I thought about this issue a few days back and remembered that we set this aside then based on the request by Sri. Nageswaran.

Sri. Nageswaran, please post the scan of 'id card' you made and see if our members warm up to that. If they do not, we can explore other options.

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Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

MR.VASANTHAKOKILAM,
The images of the identity cards [blue and green] can be viewed from the following links.
http://tinypic.com/r/i4l7yx/8 IDENTITY CARD 1 BLUE
http://tinypic.com/r/ok3687/8 identity card 2 green
For the past one month, I am in search of the actual sample cards made for a few Rasikas.
I am still searching at my home.
S.NAGESWARAN.
17.10.2014.

rshankar
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Post by rshankar »

I wonder if we need something with personal information on it...shouldn't something like the Eton tie (I am NOT proposing a tie) suffice to allow one member of rasikas to identify another?

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Post by Nick H »

Should we do like the politicians and have rasikas.org-colour vestis? ;)

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Post by VK RAMAN »

a thundu or turkey towel of same color 1x1 sq ft on the shoulder should be helping one another recognize. If interested, they can interact.

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Post by arasi »

Guys,
vEshTi and ThuNDu for us??

Ravi,
Right you are.

Just the Rasikas logo (emblem?) is pleasing to look at. I am sure all the members are familiar with it to spot it when anyone wearing it comes into view. We can also have the fun of asking each other: so, you are one of us? I am so and so, and you are...?

Also, it takes care of strangers stopping us and asking questions and staring at the details on the card :(
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Post by Ramasubramanian M.K »

It is about time we "brand" ourselves--everytime I meet friends/relatives of mine I mention the site primarily--some have been "bitten" but a vast majority of them do not seem to be aware of our site. Of all the music-related sites that I have "surfed" this is the best--I tell all of them.It is the best that combines the "old" and "new"!!!
Any consensus on the design of the insignia is OK with me except SK(Sangeetha Kodali(Tamil word for Axe!!)!!!

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"Branded", Ramesh? Sounds more drastic than tattoos!

Kidding, of course :)

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

OK, the message is loud and clear. We do not want any PII ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally ... nformation ). That is not surprising. Something like that may work in our meet so we can put a name to the face but not for wearing when you are at a concert.

So let us decide on something quick. We do not have much time, so rather than debate endlessly in an effort to come up with the most exquisite thing and risk not getting it done, let us pick something that is great, is acceptable to the vast majority even if the final choice is not their most favorite and place an order in time for the season.

Let us set a goal to get this done in a month, say, by November 18th.

As we decide on the exact form, can someone in Chennai or Bangalore explore where we can get this done? Any volunteers?

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Post by Ranganayaki »

I am not going to be in Madras, but here are my two cents as it is getting difficult here. I was thinking that a simple pin orignally designed for rasikas - a tambura or a mridangam - can be openly worn.. will blend in well given the nature of the occasions and still be visible.. Anyone who wants to meet others can put it on, and hang out in the lobby before a concert, which could be the designated meeting place and time, making up for the discreetness of the pin. Generally the right shoulder would be a good idea as it is less likely to be obscured by a saree in the case of women.

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I endorse the views of Ranganayaki and it should be done fast.

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Post by PUNARVASU »

Will watch this thread for the final decision. Meanwhile, would like to know if there is Rasikas meet this year in chennai. Thanks in advance for any info on that.

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It has been proposed, and a couple of dates suggested.

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Post by ganesh_mourthy »

I think we should just go ahead with lapel pin. I know some may not come forward for that idea but the object is not to make all to wear lapel pin but to all of us to get ourselves known "who is who of Rasikas" when we meet. So , the reluctant rasikas will be roped in through some other means that we can research later once most of us know each other. As it is already late and we are still debating, let us not buy more time but use a lapel pin that does not look branded , but only provisionally perhaps. I called up someone but he said he can take orders only in thousands.

Here is one link and a lapel Pin that seem neutral. Or am I just jumping the guns missing many threads.?

http://www.maxqualitylapelpins.com/cust ... lapel-pins

Vasanthakokilam and if a couple more can say Yes, I can take the initiative but only that I want another person for co-ordination as right now I am in Pondicherry for some medical reasons.

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Post by PUNARVASU »

Nick H, thanks. Probably there is a separate thread. Can you pl tell me which one it is? TIA.

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Here is one link and a lapel Pin that seem neutral. Or am I just jumping the guns missing many threads.?
I guess it is made to fit into a button hole? Or is it a through-fabric actual 'pin'?

It look as if it can easily be worn with a kurta. Suits me.
Probably there is a separate thread. Can you pl tell me which one it is? TIA.
GLOBAL RASIKAS MEET 2014

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Post by ganesh_mourthy »

I dont know yet Nick. I can call up or mail to know. Looks find. Waiting for more approval show of hands.
Good, I have already a hand of approval .

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Lapel pin is fine. g_m, thanks for volunteering. Let us see how many people show interest. If the minimum order is in the thousands, that will not work for us. Yes, please do the inquiries.

On the actual pin design, we have had few discussions before and some designs that people liked in general. Let me look for them. We can start there and improve the design as desired

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Other threads where this topic has come up. We have been talking about this from 2006. ( just mentioning this to shame the collective us to make a decision and get it done! And to put it in context, that was an ancient time before there was this thing called iPhone/smartphone and they are at the 8th generation of those things)

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... pin#p31086
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... pel#p78437 ( g_m, this is you back then... consistent)
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 618#p99618
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... ilit=lapel

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Punarvasu,
Are you going to be in Chennai for the season?

Then, whether there is a Rasikas meet or not this year, there will be another one for sure: Mohan (kamalamba) and family are holding concerts in memory of GBL on the 29th of Dec. You seem to have missed Suryprakash's concert in Mumbai last weekend. You can hear him and Gayathri Girish sing that day. Both were favorites of GBL...

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Post by PUNARVASU »

arasi, yes. This time I plan to be there. Pl let me know the venue. Would love to meet our fellow members. I suppose you will be staying at your usual place. I will watch this thread for further info.

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Dear friends
Mr Nageswaran has urged me to share my suggestion for a lapel pin. My recommendations:
1. simple design as above
2. size about 15 mm outer diameter
3. gold plating
4. inner fill colour to be tried based on available enamel technologies
5. must be available as a pendant or a lapel pin
6. chargeable at Rs 250 or USD 5 based on payment method

i request better/detailed suggestions from others. I have no vendor to fabricate this, and I don't know how much quantity you would like to order and when...

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The design looks excellent, Sachi. If you are not going to get it done, then there needs to be some else who will!

As Vasanthakokilam has already said it, it has been a frustrating thing for him all these years that the badge hasn't materialized until now.

The meet also means finding a date to suit rasikAs. Thanks to Ravikiran, he made it all very easy last year. That' s why I am glad the 'Honoring GBL' concert evening is coming up on the 29th.

Another chance to get together will make it even better...
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Sachi: I like it also. There are enough colors there to match any dress so it will work also for those who color match their dress with their accessories. (isn't that everybody, 50% of the population may ask ;) ).

Now the tough part. We need an estimate on the quantity. Hope we get at least 50 if not 100.

Sachi, if I may impose, can you call these people and see if there is anything they can do for us.

http://www.maxqualitylapelpins.com/

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You don't give up easily, do you? Way to go!

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Will do.

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Post by Rsachi »

Meanwhile could Kris or VKM share the original high-resolution graphic of the logo, or if it is standard type face, the colour codes and font set?

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Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

With my internet connections down for the past 5 days, I was able to extend my best wishes to our Rasikas
through the "ABADHPANDAVAR" Sri Sachi.

The design of the lapel pin insignia suggested by Sri Sachi is excellent.
Once the cost estimate is available, the willing Rasikas can express their OK so that ordering can be done.
If the number of Rasikas are more, we may perhaps expect a good discount also.

Once again, my many thanks to Sri Sachi.

S.NAGESWARAN.
25.10.2014.

Rsachi
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Post by Rsachi »

Mr. Nageswaran, what I did was nothing compared to your enthusiasm.
Let's wait for the quote from the Bombay party- I have spoken to them.

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Rasikas logo is in Curlz (MS) font.

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Post by Nick H »

Rsachi wrote:2. size about 15 mm outer diameter
I would personally prefer something button-size, (shirt button) as I would wear it in a kurta button hole.

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Post by Sundara Rajan »

If it is not too late, may I make a suggestion ? Since every one who comes to a concert is a RASIKA, in order for us to stand out, It may be a good idea to have the insignia within quotation marks as "RASIKAS". I am still not sure if I could be there this December 2014, the tickets are too expensive this late ! However, I will buy one lapel pin, once everything else is decided.
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i am hoping that the distinctive colour rendering and lettering would help identification. also the word in plural implies it is a group and not the individual wearing it. and then of course as Sri Sundara Rajan says, every one is a rasika but doesn't wear a distinctive lapel pin!
Let's see how many want these lapel pins in this forum.

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about sizes of 1 Re and 5 Rs coins:
1 22 mm 3.79 g Ferritic stainless steel Circular Emblem of India Value, new rupee sign, floral motif and year of minting 2011
5 23 mm 6 g Nickel- Brass Circular Emblem of India Value, new rupee sign, floral motif and year of minting 2011

Image

Just so you understand what is the size of the pin we are exploring i.e. 15 mm.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Sachi, that does give us an idea of the size. Thanks.

As we wait for the quotes from Bombay and the level of interest from our members, let us engage in a fun design conversation which can help us finalize the details. Sri. Sundara Rajan's post, which is a fair point, triggered me to write about this.

One of the foundational concept in visual design is called 'affordance'. What this means is, just by looking at it one should be able to tell what it and its purpose is. For example, if you design a door handle or knob, it should have enough visual clues whether one should 'rotate and push', 'push it down and then push' etc. Of course, one can junk it up to increase affordance. Striking that balance while keeping the aesthetics is an incredibly fun and joyous activity. It is amazing and humbling to see how the creative and artistic people instinctively think about these things compared to the more logically oriented people. One may think it is a logical process but in practice it is far from it.

Affordance is important to our lapel. Are there enough visual clues so uninformed people know what it and its purpose is? Let us examine it. There are three types of people in this context.

1. The active members and non members who have read this thread and know what this label pin is. These are the 'informed' people. This is the minority group. Affordance is least important. You can put a green dot on a white background and they will know what it is. So the current design is just fine for them.

2. Those members and non members who occasionally visit our forum and do not know about this thread and our lapel pin effort. This is also the majority of our members. Affordance is medium important. While the green dot would not convey anything to them, our current design strikes a good balance. They know about 'Rasikas.org', they may remember the site logo but not about the lapel design but it will induce just the right level of curiosity for them to stop and ask if this is related to rasikas.org. I think this is what Sachi is saying. That sounds fine to me we well.

3. Non members who just do not know our web site at all. Affordance is maximally important. And this is the vast majority of the CM rasikas.

So the current design is good for groups 1 and 2. And not good for group 3. Do we care about group 3 in this context? If so, we probably need to add a little bit more affordance to it.

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I still think it is too big. This is about the size of a small broach.

Jackets have lapels, and lapels [sometimes] have button holes. These are the button holes into which one can insert something the size of a carnation without it looking out of place.

Shirts, kurtas, etc do not have such lapels. Even a tie pin would probably have a main part smaller than this. There are not many jackets, or ties, to be seen in Chennai --- even in December.

Just the squigly , red "R" in a circle would do me fine. Just take off 2-3mm: 12mm would be fine.

Anyway, fellow-rasika recognition has to be a two-part authentication process, as mandated by RBI. The second part is the special Rasika Wink, which Arasi will teach us.

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Not much response thus far.

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