Jayachamaraja Odeyar (Mysore Maharajah) - Part II

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 01:21

cmlover wrote:nAgalinga kuNDalISahitE?
beats me too! Can it be an ornament?
nAgakuNDalaM is what is popularly known as 'pAmbadaM' worn by 'old' women in TN!

I was thinking of an ornament too. kuNDala or kuNDali can also mean bracelet or ear bobs. SO it could well refer to ornament of weist or ears. ALso note that nAgalinga is the name of a flower that is shaped just like the nAgalinga and is a favourite of ISvara. So it could also be interpreted as "Her with a ring/bracelet.earrings of the nAgalinga flower". It is quite common in karNATaka and i have also seen it in TN(tiruvalam jalagandhESvarar temple for instance). In fact roads in Mysore are lined by these trees (Jhansi Lakshmi Bai road).

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Aug 2006, 01:30

DRS
That flower is not native to SI. See
http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/08/12/stor ... 080300.htm

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Aug 2006, 01:44

pArvati is described as 'nAga kaMkaNa naTarAja manOharI', so a bracelet maybe ok..although in the phrase I quoted, I have always wondered if 'nAga kaMkaNa' refers to naTarAjA or his manOhari...
Ravi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 01:47

The 95th kRti which has already been discussed is "SrIcakrapura nivAsini" in Suddhalalita.

Raja Chandra
In your list, please correct the supradIpa kRti to "pAhimAm SrI pancamAtangavadana".

Meena (and others)
In the list that you sent me(which I have posted), please correct the rAga of No-66-"mahAgaNapatim bhajEham" to amRtavAhini. It has been wrongly enetered as yadukulakAmbOdhi.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 01:50

cmlover wrote:That flower is not native to SI.

I am aware CML. But it has been around for a while and also used in for worship because of its shape. oDeyar could have definitely used it.

meena · Post by **meena** » 21 Aug 2006, 02:22

Meena (and others)
In the list that you sent me(which I have posted), please correct the rAga of No-66-"mahAgaNapatim bhajEham" to amRtavAhini. It has been wrongly enetered as yadukulakAmbOdhi.

Sorry it was 'MY' error, not urs DRS.

meena · Post by **meena** » 21 Aug 2006, 03:30

RC/DRS

apart from what RC listed i've:

bhajare mohana, bhAnucandrika, rUpakam
devi jagadambike, vasantabhairavi, jhaMpa
durgadevi, navarasakannada, Adi
shrI karuNayIshvara, kannaDa, Adi
shrI lalitA mahatripurasundari, nIlAmbari, tripuTa

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 06:49

CML
nAgalinga kuNDalISa hite.
nAgalinga is oDeyar's guru in SrIvidyA. And that guru is kuNDalISa meaning the master of the kuNDalini vidye/yOga. ANd she is ever benevolent toward him(hitE).

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Aug 2006, 07:11

In parts of India where scented flowers are scarce, flowers native to the region are used in worship. We find chrysanthemums in garlands in the temples of North America. When peonies and lilacs are in bloom, they are acceptable too. I think fragrance takes priority when worshipping the gods with flowers. nAgalinga flowers have been grown in India for about two cenuries. The colonists brought them to our shores. A perfect flower! What if it is not mentioned in the books for the worship of gods, they must have thought. A perfectly wrought flower, a work of art and to boot, Shiva ensconced in a nAga, and the flower has such fragrance! There is a beautifully sculpted linga in the center of the bloom and because of it, though the nAga is flamboyant and exotic, vaishnavaits couldn't claim it for themselves. Otherwise, there could have been a NAga-SEshA war!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Aug 2006, 07:12

I was thinking of his guru and vaguely remembered your mentioning nAgalinga before. Now the fit is perfect! Usually those who have control over kuNDalini wear a kuNDala on their ears. Perhaps RC can confirm with a picture if possible.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 07:14

Arasi
You are correct about fragrance. Unscented flowers are declared no good for worship. Strictly, they are not to be used used. I wonder where kanakAmbara fits in? No "december" though.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Aug 2006, 07:20

DRS,
Let alone gods, even married women wearing kanakAmbaram or December flowers (another import, I bet) were frowned upon in those times. Flowers had to have fragrance!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 07:25

arasi wrote:Let alone gods, even married women wearing kanakAmbaram or December flowers (another import, I bet) were frowned upon in those times.

Yah. First December and then beTTatAvare (DErippU). LOL

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Aug 2006, 09:27

arasi
That is why Nakkeerar legitimately questioned whether dEvI's hair had a natural fragrance:)
Siva had been fooled all along:)

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 21 Aug 2006, 14:03

drshrikaanth wrote:Arasi
"december" flowers

What are they?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 21 Aug 2006, 22:30

kiransurya wrote:
drshrikaanth wrote:Arasi
"december" flowers
What are they?

Purple flowers, also in white I guess

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Aug 2006, 22:38

Purple/violet commonest, also pink/magenta. white is quite rare I guess. They are longish flowers, very light and think petals. Shape is similar to sugandharAja.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 22 Aug 2006, 01:31

Suji, DRS
Cheers

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Aug 2006, 02:47

cmlover wrote:arasi
That is why Nakkeerar legitimately questioned whether dEvI's hair had a natural fragrance:)
Siva had been fooled all along:)

CML,
Not really: maTTuvAr kuzhalI (sugandha kuNtalAmbAL) is supposed to have naturally fragrant hair.
Ravi

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Aug 2006, 04:47

kuTRam kuTRamE' EnRU solla neTRik KANNar ingillai, nallavELai!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 22 Aug 2006, 04:51

kalyanraman-Paramapurusham-Lalithapanchamam
http://quickdump.com/files/38069970.html

ksg-Paramapurusham-Lalithapanchamam
http://quickdump.com/files/4344716.html

kvn-Paramapurusham-Lalithapanchamam
http://quickdump.com/files/482072227.html

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Aug 2006, 06:45

Thanks for the tracks Coolkarni
lalitapancama, as used by odeyar, is a upAnga janya of the 15th mELa, mAyA mALavagauLa. its scale is

SR1G3M1D1N3S* | S*NDMPMGRS ||

It is thus the rAga lalita with pancama added, hence the nomenclature I think. The introduction of the pancama note reduces the intensity of the pathos in lalita and introduces a sense of samAdhAna/relief and a little of hAsya as well. A very pleasing rAga. madhyama, dhaivata and niShAda are important notes. pancama is crucial to differentiate from lalita and has to be shown every now and then.

Its scale is identical to vasantabhairavi save the difference in the niShAda . "paramapuruSham" of ST is also set to this rAga and scale.

But the rAga as described in SSP is a upAnga janya of the 14th mELa, vATI vasanta bhairavi/ vakuLAbharaNa. And the scale is

SGMDNS* | S*NDPMGRS ||.

Although MD's kRti in this rAga is not given in SSP, "bRhadISvarIm bhajarE rE citta" is given in other books.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Aug 2006, 06:49

Coolkarni, I have explained the difference between these 2 rAgas- vasantabhairavi and lalitapancama. Sorry for saying they were no different earlier in another thread.

I know another elaborate paramapuruSHam by KVN is coming up. Is there a chance of hearing the MD kRti as well? That would help us understand how it sounds.

meena · Post by **meena** » 22 Aug 2006, 07:03

sree MD kriti in raga lalitapancama
http://www.rogepost.com/dn/kc6l/brihade ... arajan.mp3

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Aug 2006, 07:14

Thanks a ton Meena

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 22 Aug 2006, 20:17

I thought I would share a rare thanam in lalithapanchamam.Hope it is not too much of a digress.

http://rapidshare.de/files/30347200/Lal ... thanam.mp3

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Aug 2006, 20:24

kartik wrote:I thought I would share a rare thanam in lalithapanchamam.Hope it is not too much of a digress.

Now why would it be a digress at all! Thanks for sharing.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 22 Aug 2006, 21:47

DRS
Here is our own RIP Van Winkle.
He means it is not too much of a digress for him to visit us !!

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 23 Aug 2006, 01:00

With reference to Meena's posting of MD's krithi in Lalitha Panchapam,

I see no trace of Kaakali Nishadham, as a janyam of Mayamalava Gowla. all I hear it Kaisiki Nishadham, all thru the song. Esp. notice, the word 'Bhajare' and 're' is N1 certainly not N2. I have the same rendition from Guruguha.org and wondered why it is sung that way. It is mostly like Vasantha Bhairavi reminding me of MD's Prasanna Venkateswaram ...

Any thoughts from experts ??

Srivathsan

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Aug 2006, 07:05

DRS
I am posting the clip of KVN -as requested by you..

paramapuruSham- lalitapancama- khaNDa cApu-swAti tirunAL- KVN

http://www.quickdump.com/files/1275280687.html

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 23 Aug 2006, 14:25

sriucl wrote:With reference to Meena's posting of MD's krithi in Lalitha Panchapam,

I see no trace of Kaakali Nishadham, as a janyam of Mayamalava Gowla. all I hear it Kaisiki Nishadham, all thru the song. Esp. notice, the word 'Bhajare' and 're' is N1 certainly not N2. I have the same rendition from Guruguha.org and wondered why it is sung that way. It is mostly like Vasantha Bhairavi reminding me of MD's Prasanna Venkateswaram ...

Any thoughts from experts ?? Srivathsan

See my notes on the rAga on the last page.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 23 Aug 2006, 14:26

coolkarni wrote:DRS
I am posting the clip of KVN -as requested by you..

Coolkarni, thanks for taking the time to edit and refine the clip I sent you.

sriucl · Post by **sriucl** » 23 Aug 2006, 15:04

Thanks DRS. I missed to read it earlier. sorry...

Sri

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 23 Aug 2006, 23:12

And now pAhimAm SrI pancamAtanga in supradIpa, sankIrNa tripuTa
(clip courtesy coolkani)

Click here to download pAhimAm SrI pancamAtanga- supradIpa- sankIrNa tripuTa- oDeyar.mp3

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 23 Aug 2006, 23:30

mAtu of ||pAhimAm SrI pancamAtangavadana||

rAga: supradIpa ; sankIrNa tripuTa tALa

pAhimAm SrI pancamAtanga vadana gaNapatE |
parvata rAjakumArI sukumAra sadA namastE ||P||

dEhi mE sadbuddhim sarvakAryEShu siddhim |
sAhityAdi sakalaSAstra prakASakara lambOdara ||
ahitadUrIkaraNa catura dInamandAra anantaAnanta mahimAkara anAdi SrIvidyA rUpadhara SrIkara ||AP||

kShityAdi SivAnta ShaTtrimSat tattva darSana vikhyAta |
satyam j~nAnamanantEtyAdi vEda vAkya pratipAdita |
martyalOkavAsinAm agAdha bhavasAgara tAraka |
kartRtvAdyupAdhi rahita siddhivinAyaka SubhadAyaka ||
kShitISAdi samsEvita kShipraprasAdakara supradIpa svaprakASa saccidAnanda rUpa sadbhakta hitakara ||C||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Aug 2006, 00:00

Notes on ||pAhimAm SrI pancamAtangavadana||

rAga: supradIpa ; sankIrNa tripuTa tALa

pAhimAm- protect me; SrI pancamAtanga vadana gaNapatE- O gaNapati with a wide elephant face/ five elephant faces;
panca has the meaning of both 5 and wide;

parvata rAjakumArI sukumAra- Son of pArvati(the daughter of the king of mountians);
sadA- ever; namastE- Salutations to You.

dEhi mE- give me; sadbuddhim- good intellect;
sarvakAryEShu- and in all my undertakings; siddhim- success;
sAhityAdi sakalaSAstra prakASakara- You Who enlighten literature and all the other arts;
lambOdara- You with a pot belly;
ahita dUrIkaraNa catura- You Who are deft in removing discomfiting things;
dInamandAra- You who the wish giving tree to the needy;
anantaAnanta mahimAkara- You with innumerable good atributes/qualities/deeds;
anAdi SrIvidyA rUpadhara- You Who assume the form of the eternal SrIvidyA;
SrIkara- Doer of good(Giver of prosperity).

kShityAdi SivAnta ShaTtrimSat tattva darSana vikhyAta- You Who is famed for showing the 36 tattvas beginning with kShiti(bhUtattva, earth principle) and ending with Siva;
satyam j~nAnam ananta ityAdi vEda vAkya pratipAdita- You Who is taught by the lines in the vEda such as "satyam j~nAnam anantam";

martyalOkavAsinAm agAdha bhavasAgara tAraka - You Who take the mortals across the deep and vast ocean of samsAra;
kartRtvAdi upAdhi rahita- You Who is not tainted by "Doer"ship;
siddhivinAyaka; SubhadAyaka- Giver of prosperity;
kShitISAdi samsEvita- You WHo is served by kings et al;
kShipraprasAdakara- You Who grant wishes anon;
supradIpa- You Who is like a lamp; svaprakASa- Self-radiant;
saccidAnanda rUpa- You in the form of sat(virtue), cit(intellect/knowledge) and Ananda(bliss);
sadbhakta hitakara- You Who is benevolent to your devotees.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Aug 2006, 00:39

Is one of the singers Pantula Rama?
Very nice narration! I could follow it clean without knowing any Kannada!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Aug 2006, 00:52

No Not Pantula Rama. But P.Rama and R.Chandrika.

meena · Post by **meena** » 24 Aug 2006, 03:52

DRS

a nice way to celebrate ganesha chaturthi

thanku

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Aug 2006, 03:58

Welcome Meena. "ella avana citta"

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 Aug 2006, 05:16

VERY elegant and deceptively simple words....
Thanks, DRS...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Aug 2006, 05:37

dhyAna SlOka
abhayavarada hastaH | pASa daNDAkSha mAla |
sRNi paraSu dadhAnO | mudgaram mOdakam ca |
phalamadhigata simhaH | pancamAtanga vaktrO |
gaNapatirati gauraH | pAtu hEramba nAmA ||

pancamAtanga mukha is also called hEramba gaNapati. Im sure Raja Chandra will come up with a nice pic from SrI tattva nidhi.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 Aug 2006, 05:40

So, he is actually five faced then...
In Madras, Rasi had a BEAUTIFUL carving of this hEramba gaNapati - it was so magnetic, I could not tear my eyes away from it.
Ravi

meena · Post by **meena** » 24 Aug 2006, 06:00

hEramba gaNapati: He is white in colour, does this represent anything, and its not a rat, what is it? Looks like a crocodile.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Aug 2006, 06:03

meena wrote:hEramba gaNapati: He is white in colour, does this represent anything, and its not a rat, what is it? Looks like a crocodile.

haha! Its a lion. Look for the face on your left. He is "adhigata simhaH"- astride a lion( dhyAna SlOka).

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 Aug 2006, 07:43

He is either gaura (white) varNa or sindUra(red) varNa...
Ravi

meena · Post by **meena** » 24 Aug 2006, 07:49

haha! Its a lion.

odd looking lion, looks like its not fed for many mths.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 Aug 2006, 07:50

meena wrote:
haha! Its a lion.
odd looking lion, looks like its not fed for many mths.

Maybe the lion has been lifting too much weight!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Aug 2006, 07:54

More a lion a la chine (as in chinese carvings)...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Aug 2006, 07:58

Meena, low-carb lion!

Ravi, ghanapathi!