meaning of rUpamu jUci

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kunjamma
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meaning of rUpamu jUci

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anupallavi:
tApatrayaharuDai = one who eliminates the three kinds of cares (problems)
velayu = residing
idEmi = what is this ?
This above anupallavi is of Varnam in thodi ragam ,thalam adi.-Roopamu juchi
v alachi vachitini.Please i would like to know what are these three kinds of cares. What are the sancharis that we can .use ..Thanking you
Kunjamma

rshankar
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Kunjamma,

The three tApa are:
1. AdhyAtmika, sufferings arising from one's own mind and body;
2. Adhidaivika, sufferings arising from nature; and
3. Adhibhautika, sufferings arising from other living entities.

Since rUpamu jUci is a varNam in praise of Siva, I would think that for AdhyAtmika you could use the sancArI showing the destruction of love/madana - Siva as the destroyer of trials and tribulations that arise when one 'gives in' to love....
ALTERNATELY, you could use the story from the Siva purANa where he cures the stomach ache of the king who had converted to jainism.

Adhidaivata - you could show how Siva stopped the vaigai from flooding madurai OR mArkaNDEya - where he triumphs over the natural force of death OR the story of his swallowing the poison - halAhalam.

Adhibhautika - could show the story of 'nari tanai pari Akki, pari tanai nari Akki' from the SIva purANam again.

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Re: meaning

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can i please get some help with the lyrics of this varnam... also the meaning if anyone can contribute...

thanks in advance,
bhargavi

Lakshman
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Re: meaning

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rUpamu jUci (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Muttusvami Dikshitar.

P: rUpamu jUci valaci vaccitini kOpamu sEturA sAmi inta kOpamu sEturA
A: tApatraya haruDai velayu shrI tyAgarAjasAmi idEmi nI
C: mArakOTi sundarAkAra

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pallavi - Having beheld (jUci) your wondrous form (rUpamu), I have come (vaccitini) to you out of love/desire (valaci), please do not be so (inta) angry (kOpamu sEturA) [1].
anupallavi - Oh tyAgarAjasvAmi who is known/shines resplendently (velayu) as the destroyer (haruDai) of the three (traya) types of misery (tApa) [2], why (Emi) this (idi) anger? (For have I not beheld) your (nI) (wondrous form, and come to you out of love).
caraNam - Oh lord with the form (AkArA) that is more handsome (sundara) than countless (kOTi) [3] manmathas (mAra).
FOOTNOTES
[1] kOpamu (anger) because Siva is refusing to acknowledge the nAyika
[2] the three tApas are already described above
[3] kOTi is a crore numerically

Lji - when this was converted to a padavarNam by Smt. RDA, she had sAhitya added to the svaras - by Tiger Sri Varadachariar. Do you have that?

Lakshman
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I am sorry I don't.

ShrutiLaya
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Re: meaning

Post by ShrutiLaya »

Just a couple of small corrections to an very nice translation ..

idEmi = idi + Emi = this+what i.e what is this?

inta kOpamu sEturA literally "so much anger do?" i.e be so angry

Copying rshankar's translation:

pallavi - Having beheld (jUci) your wondrous form (rUpamu), I have come (vaccitini) to you out of love/desire (valaci), and you are angry, lord, you are SO angry ?

anupallavi - Oh tyAgarAjasvAmi who is known/shines resplendently (velayu) as the destroyer (haruDai) of the three (traya) types of misery (tApa) [2], what is this? (For have I not beheld) your (nI) (wondrous form, and come to you out of love).

(I just wanted to convey the right shade of meaning here, so that the dance abhinaya will be on the mark)

- Sreenadh

bharg.p
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thanks all,

is this a cauka varnam or a pada varnam?

i was looking for this in other places as well and it was mentioned as a cauka varnam.... but if it is a pada varnam... it doesnt seem to have the usual muktaiswara... any particular reasons?? is it lost in the transference over time or this is all there is to the composition?

also i see a comment which says it was converted to a pada varna by Smt.RDA... so in which form is it in vogue now..? as a cauka or pada varna..

would be wrong or incomplete to present the varnam with just the above mentioned sahitya and the other charana swaras as just nritta bits??

thanks again for ur help..
bhargavi

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Lakshman wrote:rUpamu jUci (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Muttusvami Dikshitar.
Composer: rAmasvAmi dIkSitar

rshankar
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Bhargavi - It will look incomplete if you dance to it without the sAhityam for the caraNasvaras, especially for the people who know this varNam. You can go to this link, and download the thesis of Ms. Priyashri V. Rao and look for the missing svara sAhityam - alternately, you could ask anyone from Kalakshetra - I do not think that there is even one graduate of that institution who has not learned this varNam.
Sreenadh - thank you so much for the corrections - it has been an invaluable learning experience for me.

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Re: meaning of rUpamu jUci

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Here is the complete varNa with the added carNa sAhityAs. I got it from the link by you rshankar. Thanks.


rUpamu jUci (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Muttusvami Dikshitar.

P: rUpamu jUci valaci vaccitini kOpamu sEturA sAmi inta kOpamu sEturA
A: tApatraya haruDai velayu shrI tyAgarAjasAmi idEmi nI
(muktAyisvara sAhitya)
EvELanunI cartitamulanu niNDAru prEmatO sEvinci nIdu parAkramamulanE bAgumIraga koniyADitini
C: mArakOTi sundarAkAra
1: gArADamu cAluparAdu
(svara)
1: gA ; ; mA ; dhA ; mA | ; gA ; rI | ; sA , rI ga
2: sumasharamulacEmari migulanu nogili valapu nilupuTa taguNa taruNamidirA
(svara)
2: ga ma dha pa dha ma pa ga dha ga ma pa ma ga ri ni | sa ga ri ma ga ni dha *ri | ni dha ni dha ma ga ri ga
3: sArEgunu nIdu caraNAlayamE mAnasamu nuncitiga saraduDA
ghana taramagu velayu shrI tyAgEshvara calamiga valadu valadu brOcuTa karuda
(svara)
3 (a): dhA , ni dha ma mA dha ma gA ma ga ri ri | , ga ri sa *ni *dha *ni sa | ri ga ma ni dhA ga ma
(b): dhA , ni dha ma mA dha ma gA ma ga ri ri | , ga ri sa *ni *dha *ni sa | ri ga ma ni dhA ;||
sa ri ga ri ga ma dha ga ma dha ni ma dha ni sa* dha | ni sa* ri* ni ga* ri* ni dha | ni dha ma ga ri sa ri ga ||

ShrutiLaya
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Re: meaning of rUpamu jUci

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This seems to have been discussed once long ago, http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... 92&p=41368 . Quoting from "divakar"

meaning:

pallavi:
rUpamujUci = rUpamu + jUci (cUci) = seeing your beauty
valaci = with love
vaccitini = i approached
kOpamu sEturA = can you get displeased / get anger
svAmi = O lord
iNta = this much

anupallavi:
tApatrayaharuDai = one who eliminates the three kinds of cares (problems)
velayu = residing
idEmi = what is this ?

muktAyi svara:
EvELanu (E + vELanu) = all the time
(E here means 'ella' = all)
nI = your
caritamulanu = glories
niNDAru = fullness
prEmatO = with love
sEviNci = worship
nIdu parAkramamulanE = only your valour / prowess
bAgumIragA = cheerfully
koniyADitini = i praised

caraNa:
mArakOTi = of thousand manmadhas
suNdara = beautiful
AkAra = one who has a form

first caraNa:
gAraDamu = trick/ cunningness
salupa = to perform
rAdu = do not

second caraNa:
suma = flower
Saramu = arrow
sumaSaramulacE = with flowers as arrows
mari = much
migula = in excess
nogili = to cause pain (or nogiliNcu)
valapu = affection
nilupuTa = to stop / interrupt/ restrain
tagunA = is it proper
taruNamu + idi + rA = it is time now

third caraNa:
sAraganu = frequently
nIdu = your
caraNAlayamE = feet as temple /abode
mAnasamuna + uNcitiga = i kept in my mind
sarasuDA = a good natured person
ghanataramagu = greatness in honour
velayu = one who resides
cAlamika = cAlamu + ika = delay now
valadu valadu = dont
brOcuTakarudA = brOcuTaku + arudA = is it rare to protect?


Standing on the shoulders of giants, indeed!

- Sreenadh

rshankar
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Sreenadh - importance of searching properly...Thanks for digging this out..

ShrutiLaya
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rshankar wrote:Bhargavi - It will look incomplete if you dance to it without the sAhityam for the caraNasvaras, especially for the people who know this varNam. You can go to this link, and download the thesis of Ms. Priyashri V. Rao and look for the missing svara sAhityam -me.
That's an amazing link, with the thesis notating the entire varnam with little stick figures showing each position!! My knowledge of dance is minimal, and this will be a very useful device. The other links on that page also sound very exciting. Thanks for introducing this to us.

- Sreenadh

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rshankar wrote:Sreenadh - importance of searching properly...Thanks for digging this out..
I was googling for the meaning of one word, and I hit the jackpot when this came up!

- Sreenadh

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It is simply amazing that varadAchariar has fitted in elegant poetry to the muktayi and chitta-swaram-s; with such 'auchityam'.

This and his srirajani varnam-s are enough to prove the 'Tiger's' virtuosity and genius as a musician and composer to us, who have very little knowledge of his singing.

rshankar
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Keerthi - that is so correct! This varNam is beautiful - and in addition to 'Tiger's' abilities, I also marvel at Smt. RDA's imagination in choosing this particular varNam to create a padavarNam out of. Her choreography for this varNam is also filled with 'aucityam'

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Re: meaning of rUpamu jUci

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I'm still slightly confused by the meaning. Why is shiva angry in the first place? Because he doesn't wish to be distracted from his meditation?

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ardhanariswar wrote:I'm still slightly confused by the meaning. Why is shiva angry in the first place? Because he doesn't wish to be distracted from his meditation?
That, or, he could be upset with a mere mortal approaching him with SRngAra, something that is usually between equals - alluding to the difference in their status - He, a god worthy of her devotion and worship, and she, a mere mortal. I think it can be open to your interprettation.

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Ah I see, thanks rshanker!

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