Data Migration Concerns

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 07 Feb 2010, 08:57

Hello everyone,

The users have been migrated. The topics and posts have to be migrated.

If you had an account in old forum but are not able to login here with same username, please reset your passwords.
If you have any other problem, please email admin(@)rasikas(.)org -- remove parantheses
In your email to admin, please be sure to mention your username. No need to mention password.

If you are able to login, you can post your concern here.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 07 Feb 2010, 13:21

srkris wrote:Hello everyone,

The users have been migrated. The topics and posts have to be migrated.

Srkris
About User Migration:
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In the old site Total number of registered users: 8,470
* Newest registered user: hemaanand
* Total number of topics: 11,532
* Total number of posts: 149,089

In this new site the total number of registered users

Total posts 71 • Total topics 23 • Total members 3493 • Our newest member gopalkoduri

It appears all the users have not been fully migrated as you have claimed as there is a 5000+ discrepancy.

About data migration:
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1.You still have not carried out, I suggest you to lock all topics and posts right now here in the new forum. DONT ALLOW FOLKS TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THIS THREAD of 'Data Migration Concerns'
2. Get the count right of users right
3. THen migarate all 11,532 topics and 149,089 to this site after locking that old site atleast during migration.
4. WE ALL HAVE TO DO FEW DAYS OF TESTING .LET us check first if all the data is preserved.
5.Then open the flood gates here in this forum, till then lock everything excepting this thread.
YOU ARE NOT COMMUNICATING SPECIFICS, DISAPPOINTED A LOT.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 07 Feb 2010, 21:50

Rajesh, since the migration entails resetting passwords, we have migrated only the users with atleast one post to their name, the rest of them can re-register and that will be easier than manually resetting passwords of 8000 plus users. At any rate the old database will be there with me in case there is any discrepancy.

I do not want to communicate on the specifics since it is my wish to not involve the members in the nuts and bolts of the migration, and this is the reason I am seeking outside help in the first place. It is my duty to ensure the migration goes on smooth. I can clarify if you ask specific questions but I do not want this to look like the Indian general elections, it is not. It is a simple data migration activity, and you need to trust me and my decisions.

As I said, I can clarify if you have any specific queries and I definitely appreciate your concerns for a smooth transition.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 08 Feb 2010, 08:35

srkris wrote: I do not want to communicate on the specifics since it is my wish to not involve the members in the nuts and bolts of the migration, and this is the reason I am seeking outside help in the first place. It is my duty to ensure the migration goes on smooth. I can clarify if you ask specific questions but I do not want this to look like the Indian general elections, it is not. It is a simple data migration activity, and you need to trust me and my decisions.

As I said, I can clarify if you have any specific queries and I definitely appreciate your concerns for a smooth transition.

Srkris
1. When you started announcing go to new forum you did not even consider migrating users , you just plainly asked all of us to re-register.There I had to help and ask the question "consider user migration". So at every stage you seek the help of us (inclusive of me),in doing what to do it right.I was extremely surprised when you and your professional helper did not consider user migration without me prompting in one of the posts. I am always asking specific questions, check if indeed you are answering those specifics.If you call it simple data migration activity do it , before growing more posts in this new forum.

2. Our community was 8000 strong ,many of them generally register once and not post (0 posts) simply for the reason that they wanted to use the feature of show new posts , so that every day they see only the delta of posts.Now you asking all of them to re-register is losing many passive participants who may soon be active.You may have reasons on this which I am not aware , but losing 5000 passive participants who have registered is a case that appears as a fact.

Again let me tell you one thing , the whole migration nuts and bolts need not be discussed with every one , but it cannot be done just by you . You could have involved few of us like me,arunk,vk etc...(10 to 15 of us) a smaller group is what I am asking for from first time, test it and then roll out to all.

For now move on , make the so called 'simple data migration activity'.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 08 Feb 2010, 12:23

srkris wrote: I do not want to communicate on the specifics since it is my wish to not involve the members in the nuts and bolts of the migration, and this is the reason I am seeking outside help in the first place. It is my duty to ensure the migration goes on smooth. I can clarify if you ask specific questions but I do not want this to look like the Indian general elections, it is not. It is a simple data migration activity, and you need to trust me and my decisions.

indeed a good thought.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 08 Feb 2010, 14:48

rajeshnat wrote:2. Our community was 8000 strong ,many of them generally register once and not post (0 posts) simply for the reason that they wanted to use the feature of show new posts , so that every day they see only the delta of posts.Now you asking all of them to re-register is losing many passive participants who may soon be active.You may have reasons on this which I am not aware , but losing 5000 passive participants who have registered is a case that appears as a fact.

That is a good point, and you might consider using last login date rather than greater than one post as the criterion.

I don't see why there should be any controversy about who is asked and who is not, though. skris is accepting input by this thread and on the old forum. That, I think, should more than satisfy us.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 08 Feb 2010, 22:27

Rajesh, it is true that I asked users to re-register, but that was only to avoid potential delays that could arise in the migration. I did not intend to avoid user migration, and I don't even need a professional to tell me that, having run this forum for the last 5 years and having undertaken similar exercises as this in the past.

In any case, it is impossible to manually reset all their passwords for 8000+ users. I had to decide between the migration (with manual reset of passwords) and living in a comfort zone with a buggy script (you will remember the truncated posts and errors happening while posting in Indic scripts). I chose to act. I did not want to involve forum members in the actual migration due to privacy & security reasons.

I am still taking all your suggestions, not even as a small group but even the whole forum, i.e. whoever wants to suggest something can do so.

I can put it as an announcement here (at the top) that passive users who have not posted at all may kindly re-register themselves. Thanks for raising this alert.

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 09 Feb 2010, 18:56

Kudos to all of you involved in this Data Migration efforts. My question may not be directly relevant to this specific issue but I am going to ask it anyway because I am a digital luddite!!
I have posted exhaustively on the subject of MS and TS in three different threads--first CM-Books MSS/RADHA,second MS AMMA's Birthday and third under Vidwans and Vidushis-MSS.
Is it possible to consolidate these threads into one so that I can resume posting on this subject in a consolidated manner?
Thanks.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 09 Feb 2010, 22:06

MKR Sir
First and foremost all the threads will be moved from old to new. Then we can talk about merging any of the threads in this new forum. Today incidentally the whole of feb 09th afternoon, this particular site was giving a neat message "migration under progress". Then in the night time I could see the site up without the posts not yet migrated.

I am posting this post at 22:06 PM,09th Feb 2010.Hopefully it will go without approval,about to hit the submit button

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 10 Feb 2010, 05:55

I have so far posted over 10 times in this new forum. More than 5 posts have made their appearance too. But at the end of the 10th message I am still getting the message "subject to approval".
The gestation time for the approval process appears to match that of gaja garbham ( it is 22 months for an elephant!!!)

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 10 Feb 2010, 09:04

mods/ srkris,
First post here. Not a data migration concern just a suggestion..Also testing to see if it goes thru the mod queue or not..
In the past when I've had to setup PHPBB I remember having to modify the security settings in the administator's control panel for the default group the member belongs to (Example: Registered user/ New User) needing to be configured so it did not go to a moderation queue.It also happened when there are multiple groups a user belonged to and one of them overriding the setting for the other. In one case it needed creating a custom security group with the specific security setting we needed and then adding all users into that and making it the default group.. Also, may be a 'user group' of forum members can be formed for verification of the migration , this won't involve any privacy issues but will involve adding more 'eyes'

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 10 Feb 2010, 19:46

Vidya, thanks. I will check out the default group thing.

The guy whom I had asked to do this said the migration is not possible. However, I have not given up yet. Kindly await further developments.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 10 Feb 2010, 22:30

srkris wrote: The guy whom I had asked to do this said the migration is not possible. However, I have not given up yet. Kindly await further developments.

srkris,
If the professional guy whom you asked said "the migration is not possible" and with you claiming in some other post before that the migration is simple is two polar extremes. We will go with the guy's latest not possible stand, let us not do any veshaparitchai , lock this rasikas.org/forum and few posts of this (like few kutcheri reviews of squims ,sathej etc) . Release the rasikas.org/forum.No hard feelings as such , let us move on with what is working well. You can take offline in your local environment and look at trying first.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 10 Feb 2010, 22:34

Forgot to add this point in the last post, submitted that gone to approval cycle, from the rasikas.org/forum let the users respectively move their important post to the rasikas.org/forum if srkris carries out my previous post suggestion which is the best for all forumites(all 8000 + users can come in)

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 10 Feb 2010, 23:18

I would suggest that you need to set the indicator for all current members to not require authentication --- which you probably need to do by a SQL statement in the underlying database. That's the sort of thing which, unless you know your database stuff, professionals are for

!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 11 Feb 2010, 03:34

srkris wrote:The guy whom I had asked to do this said the migration is not possible. However, I have not given up yet. Kindly await further developments.

In fact, the guy, I think his name is Joel (who referred to Chembai as 'srkris sir'), posted a message using srkis' ID to inform us what his concerns were. Unfortunately, it was impossible to understand what he said, and I had made a post requesting a translation. Both Joel's and my post are missing!

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 11 Feb 2010, 11:35

Yes Ravi, since I deleted his unauthorised post made on my behalf, I needed to disapprove your reply to it asking for clarification on that post. Anyways, here is the update I had mentioned about in my previous post about the status of the conversion & migration.

I decided to convert & migrate all the content by myself overnight yesterday and it has been largely successful subject to the following:

1. Passwords could not be converted. I have already started issuing new passwords to the members starting from the members with the highest posts and going in the descending order. It will take some time before all the members get new passwords. The alternative is for the members to reset their passwords themselves without my intervention.

2. The truncated posts from the old forum have been corrected but the posts containing Indian languages do not display the indian language text properly.

3. The converted database needs to be applied on the server (I have done the conversion work on my local machine). I may make both the old-forum and this one read-only for a minimum of a few hours and a maximum of a day or two to do this, because there is still pending work to be done on this front.

Please let me know if you have any other concerns & await further updates.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 12 Feb 2010, 23:12

The board is fully migrated and the truncated posts have been rectified. However the Indic text has become garbled due to character set changes. Can someone knowledgeable in sql databases advise on how to convert these properly? Else we can update manually by referring back to previous editions of the board located at /oldforum and /forum_flux respectively.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 13 Feb 2010, 19:47

Glad that the teething problems are over. being a man nearing 80, no teething problem for me wjere there are no teeth , where is the problem gobilalitha

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 13 Feb 2010, 19:51

GBL, your sense of humor is intact

Anyways, welcome back. Others may find a lot of issues (paritcularly the painful reset of their passwords).

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 13 Feb 2010, 20:40

Nice to see the forum back in the new avatAr!

What happened to the Edit feature? I could not see that in the Vidwans and Vidushi section and Albumb review section. This could be a problem in the other sections also. Am I missing something?

Also, the margins need to be looked at - lot of images are not displayed fully.

I am not complaining - just wanted to bring it attention so the bugs can be fixed!

Thanks for all the hard work!

Sreeni Rajarao

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 13 Feb 2010, 20:44

The "delete post" feature will be available for the first 30 minutes, and the edit post will be available for the first 1440 minutes after posting.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 Feb 2010, 21:09

srkris,
Where is the old site rasikas.org/forum which had the previous avatar,kindly make it always available. Let the last avatar and one previous avatar(rasikas.org/oldforum) also be available. Dont pull that previous avatar rasikas.org/forum(make that read only).

There are many many features that were working in the previous rasikas.org/forum which are not working here at all, I suggest you come with the laundry list,initially mention that in this post and put all those critical features back after doing a round of triage in terms of priority.

girish_a · Post by **girish_a** » 13 Feb 2010, 21:21

I saw that Nick H has asked a question in the "Raga and Alapana" section about raga Sourastram. See this: http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12467

Nick, was that really you? You say you are a rock musician and know very little about CM (wrong on both counts, i think). Very un-Nick-like post, I thought.

I wonder if a bug is causing names to get mixed up.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Feb 2010, 21:43

Girish, "nick H" and "Nick H" are different user ids.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 13 Feb 2010, 21:56

One issue I see that needs to be resolved pertains to posts from several threads under one topic or even from different topics getting bunched together. For instance, S-P had stared a new topic under sAhitya for kaDai kaN nOkki - and that and posts in response are now tacked on to a thread under HM, and a post by eesha on a rasikapriya announcement is tacked on as the last post discussing annamE aruginil vA in the sAhitya section!

Another thing is this: In the general topics, in the index page it points out that the last post made in the topic on Cleveland Aradhana was made by Uday on Feb 10th, but the last post on clicking on that topic (in page 9) is from r-t! Looks like some posts are in the ether (rather like Jerry Seinfeld's socks)

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 Feb 2010, 22:24

vasanthakokilam wrote:Girish, "nick H" and "Nick H" are different user ids.

VK
There is only one id Nick H , see the member list http://www.rasikas.org/forums/memberlist ... &start=100
From where you got nick H

srkris,
The serpent id posts in sowrAshtram got wrongly mixed with Nick H name , but that bug is too minor.

The bigger bug is Nick H posts are not yet migrated(I do know he is in top 20 poster). There are only totally 8 posts that are getting tallied with Nick H.His new posts that were done here are there,posts from the previous avatar is not migrated .Analyse it thoroughly and then apply this fix.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Feb 2010, 23:38

rajesh, you are right. I got the 'nick H' from the other forum but Nick registered here as 'Nick H'.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 14 Feb 2010, 01:05

rajeshnat wrote:Forgot to add this point in the last post, submitted that gone to approval cycle, from the rasikas.org/forum let the users respectively move their important post to the rasikas.org/forum if srkris carries out my previous post suggestion which is the best for all forumites(all 8000 + users can come in)

I second this suggestion, if the system will allow and if it is not much of a undertaking for srkris

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 14 Feb 2010, 04:01

rajeshnat wrote:Where is the old site rasikas.org/forum which had the previous avatar,kindly make it always available. Let the last avatar and one previous avatar(rasikas.org/oldforum) also be available. Dont pull that previous avatar rasikas.org/forum(make that read only).

It's there at http://rasikas.org/forum_flux
The previous version to that is available at http://rasikas.org/oldforum

Rajesh, I know you are good at spotting things that have gone wrong. Please point them out if you can.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 14 Feb 2010, 05:51

srkris wrote:However the Indic text has become garbled due to character set changes.

I see the garbling in posts where indic script text have been cut and pasted.

In addition to garbling, the posts seem to get truncated right after the indic script. I seee that in the "Goosebumps and pronounciation" thread in the Languages forum.
I fixed a couple of posts by simply copying and pasting it back here. And that works.

In the thread on Arun's transliteration tool: http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1999 , indic scripts are fine.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 14 Feb 2010, 05:57

Well done on the migration. I am sure there will be a few problems but overall it is a great effort!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Feb 2010, 07:10

Yes VK! Tests sporting Arun's transliteration scheme are just fine. I tested just now. Perhaps other coding schemes are problematic. There may not be an easy solution...

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 14 Feb 2010, 07:24

vasanthakokilam wrote:In the thread on Arun's transliteration tool: http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1999 , indic scripts are fine.

That is surprising, to say the least.

girish_a · Post by **girish_a** » 14 Feb 2010, 09:08

srkris,
Looks like internal links to forum topics are broken. Take a look at this: http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9879. In this topic, VK has linked to an older discussion on rasikas. That link is broken.

Regards,
Girish

ram · Post by **ram** » 14 Feb 2010, 10:07

srkris,

Congrats for the successful migration and many thanks for your efforts! A small request ... Can we have the categorized list of forum topics (ex. General Discussions, Kutcheri Reviews & Recordings etc) displayed on the top of each page? Ignore this if it causes too much of a clutter. This is in addition to the breadcrumb currently at the top which is also helpful.

Thanks,
Ram

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 14 Feb 2010, 10:10

Girish, yes, I see that. Good catch.

The topic id ( 9861 in this case ) is the same which at least in theory should allow for an automatic fix

Code: Select all

This is how the referred link is in posts: 

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9861-playing-the-flute-35000-years-ago.html

It should be changed to

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9861

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Feb 2010, 11:21

Question : How does one know the migration is successful?
Answer:
# Too difficult to know , but atleast i concentrated on taking the top 15 posters in number of posts in the old avatar site and compared the count of posts in this new site

# As such the count of posts for a user in this http://rasikas.org/forum Should be always greater(never less than ) than http://rasikas.org/forum_flux atleast at the point of migration

# See this below live data(see how many posts are lost... shocking). But Nick has lost 2671 of his 2679, our dear site admin srkris lost 776 of 3208 .

Take the below live data stats
* The 4 columns are loginid , second is totalposts in http://rasikas.org/forum , Total Posts in http://rasikas.org/forum_flux and Loss in Posts
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Loginid TotalPosts in http://rasikas.org/forum Total Posts in http://rasikas.org/forum_flux Loss in Posts
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NickH 8 2679 2671
Site Admin srkris 2432 3208 776
meena 3328 3909 581
vasanthakokilam 5523 5945 422
rshankar 6704 7030 326
cmlover 6781 7090 309
drshrikaanth 4066 4312 246
Lakshman 4864 4978 114
arasi 7065 7125 60
bilahari 1588 1622 34
VK RAMAN 1811 1844 33
rajeshnat 2416 2438 22
rbharath 1768 1788 20
coolkarni 1728 1748 20
vijay 2522 2538 16
ramakriya 1696 1711 15
arunk 2830 2829 -1
mohan 1693 1648 -45

Congratulations mohan and arunk , you have been successfully migrated atleast in count as your count is negative(but you check manually if the post have content right) , all the rest from nickh to ramakriya in top 15, we will pray and hope that we have not lost great posts but some inconsequential post (especially nickh and srkris need to pray a lot).

Check this 2 urls yourself:
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http://rasikas.org/forum_flux/userlist. ... r+criteria
http://rasikas.org/forums/memberlist.php ... memberlist

Conclusion:
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# There is one very minor problem in the previous site which was restricted to one or two topics of transliteration(supporting kanada,thamizh and telugu languages) ,it is just 5 out of 140,000 posts. For fixing that problem , srkris migrated all of us to a new site. I tried my best to call off this migration but as a fact I lost and srkris won.

# Unfortunately I know many did not like this migration , but srkris went ahead , no body voiced as much as i did. Now few folks have started even congragulating srkris for migration without getting facts. Many users have to reregister again , most of the posters are not computer savvy, but they are brilliant posters too,how do we help them and make them come back to this site with all the usability problems that we have right here. None of us know.

# One thing is sure we all will help srkris in identifying glitches and bugs and make him from a smart to smarter programmer. May be it takes months or even a year to stabilise.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Feb 2010, 11:38

srkris wrote: It's there at http://rasikas.org/forum_flux
The previous version to that is available at http://rasikas.org/oldforum

Rajesh, I know you are good at spotting things that have gone wrong. Please point them out if you can.

srkris
Thanks for keeping the forum_flux running, it just helps all of us a lot. As such for me you have to fix the data migration issue as indicated above. I have other issues which I will let you know later, no point pounding on them today .Let us move slowly, you are just one . Till then I will keep identifying them with

eyes.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 14 Feb 2010, 17:06

rajeshnat wrote: arunk 2830 2829 -1
mohan 1693 1648 -45

Does this mean I have a ghost writer who has written posts for me in the new forum?

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Feb 2010, 21:07

Has the feature "sending private message to members" been disabled? If so, is it for the entire membership or for a few "elite" members?
The link "contact member" does not work for me.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 14 Feb 2010, 23:46

Mahakavi, that link does not work for me either.

Rajesh, while I am not a big fan of the migration (only because I had gotten so used to the old layout), it IS srkris's forum and if he feels there is a serious enough defect in the old forum to warrant a migration, I will take his word for it!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 15 Feb 2010, 04:25

I think the Tanjore TSK thread in Vidwan and Vidushis is corrupted as last few posts are from other threads (Jaya TV competition).

Arun

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Feb 2010, 04:28

Corrupt threads-ukku panjamE illai! Several of them are - in addition to the ones already mentioned, in the Hilarity thread, some of the posts are not in chronological order.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 15 Feb 2010, 08:13

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This announcement changes the context of migration. It takes my acceptance as granted at the point of migration plus for all further amendments .
Coming back to my specific case Please roll back my membership and deregister me from this forum.
No further communication will be entertained by me on this subject , again.
Regards
Cool

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 15 Feb 2010, 09:03

Coolkarni, it is the default message that appears to all new registrants, and is put in there by the people who have developed phpbb which we are using here now.

Anyways, it is fine if you want to deregister. Your ID has been deactivated per your request.

Moreover what is the big thing about agreeing to this:

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “rasikas.org” is hosted or International Law"?

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Feb 2010, 13:54

srkris
On 2nd Feb,2010 you said "Please use the new forum to post new threads" and said it was buggy. Then after repeated questioning it just come to light in your words about few posts in transliteration is now corrected and that was the reason . So as such your few posts close to 5 got corrected. In this process many many things got wrong .

1. Users have to get used to usability
2. Users who are not able to login have to take the pain to come back again.
3. My earlier post which I spent close to 5 hours yesterday to check and prove with the count of posts that got lost is still a big burning issue.
4. Arunk has pointed TSK mix up with jaya tv
5.rshankar and girish_a have brought up chronology issues in posts which is very bothersome.

Let me throw you second big problem today . If you go to google and search any thing on carnatic music, very likely all top search answers will point to rasikas.org. This is because of your brilliant move that you did few years back when you made php pages rendered as html so that google crawls daily and indexes those .Try today it will point out to all old rasikas site , as such the complete search engine advantage is gone as every click there will say page not found.

What I would like is this?
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This is for the benefit of all not rajeshnat alone
1. We will go back to http://rasikas.org/forum_flux .
2. Make this phpbb readonly, from feb 02 to Feb 15th, let the respective users move those 100 posts to our rocking flex usable forum
3. There is just close to 100 posts like few kutcheri reviews, one honnappa bhagavathar and jayatv competition etc. which our users can migrate or else I will copy and paste it myself.

As such Feb 02nd to Feb 15th in phpbb is a bad dream, revert to old forum_flux forum.

We with few more programming background volunteers will work on the remaining problems one at a time prioritizing it and fixing those, test it with 10 or 15 folks and then consider migrating and rolling to bigger groups.

You hired a professional person who gave up migration, you still went ahead.As such the truth is you alone cannot fight it , you need to open it out to more selective eyes before making these kind of tsunami like changes.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Feb 2010, 14:07

Srkris
Can you please answer yes or no to rollback? Dont ignore this post and take few posts that just suits your conveniance to answer.I appreciate all the things you did, but for without your efforts we would have not had a great place to read and write about the divine carnatic music.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 15 Feb 2010, 16:59

Rajesh,

Please go easy, it's not doomsday. Even I have done this migration not just on a personal whim but for everyone's long-term benifit. Trust me when I say I am also one of the persons to have undergone the most pain due to this migration, I didn't have a magic wand.

1. That users have to get used to this interface is given, anyways its not "that" difficult to get used to. Having to reset passwords is a known issue.
2. The TSK thread mix up with the Jaya TV music idol thread has been corrected now.
3. With regard to the users' post counts the difference is not so big actually. The actual counts are the ones that are shown here. The old forum had it wrong (just do a search on the forum_flux and see if you get the same results that are displayed on the user page). I had 2443 posts on the old forum, and now I have 2456. In any case, even if there is some problem in this, it can be fixed.
4. What is the chronology issue? I dont find anything like that.
5. The google index can be refreshed again and it will cache the current forum.
6. About yes or no for a rollback, no I am not intending to rollback to the old-forum after going through so much to bring this one into operation. This is not fully stable but most of the bigger issues have been fixed in the last 4-5 days and it doesnt make sense to roll back now.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Feb 2010, 19:25

srkris wrote: 6. About yes or no for a rollback, no I am not intending to rollback to the old-forum after going through so much to bring this one into operation. This is not fully stable but most of the bigger issues have been fixed in the last 4-5 days and it doesnt make sense to roll back now.

Srkris,
The only advantage of moving to this forum was few support of truncated posts in transliteration scheme(5 out of 140,000). Other than that there was a brilliant feature here in phpbb where in 'edit being set for a minimum time' is added .That is something you did not know then when you migrated to phpbb. For this feature it is worth considering migration.

The good news

is in the old flux_bb forum itself I personally found a solution so that users are not able to edit say after a predefined time so that all posts are preserved .It is a simple php coding fix, I digged in the last few days and found it in flux_bb itself.If you migrated this site for that , come out openly I will help you. To me either you had other reasons to migrate which I am sure if I ask you would say "I do not want to involve any one" which is a standard answer for any questions that put you in spot.

For sure the reason cited by you initially for safegaurding 5 posts vs preserving 140,000 ,user migration and usability(plenty of them are there) issues && inturn migrating this forum is not worth it. You fix it one after another.To make it more stable each of us will help you so that you can become from a smarter programmer to smartest programmer.