laks1972 wrote:
Anything created by any artist irrespective of whether it has been released commercially or not , irrespectve of whether it was performed in a ticketed concert or no, irrespective of whether the artist received remuneration or not , is copyrighted. This includes EVERY sound track that has been uploaded by every one in this forum without the approval of the concerned artist.
You are mostly correct. A few minor points:
Copyright expires at some time. Typically, it is 70-90 years after the death of the creator of the work. In the case of works with multiple creators (as a CM concert) you have to start the clock after the last creator dies. Copyright laws are mostly standardized across countries, but do vary in some respects.
If you have the approval of the concerned artists, you may share it, but the copyright still belongs to the artists. Remember, the composers of any works hold copyright as well, and one must obtain a license from them in addition to the artists.
Copyright may be formally given up by the creator, but this rarely happens, and I wouldn't recommend it. A Creative Commons license is a good option.
The principle of fair use exempts some copying but whole tracks or concerts are generally not covered by this exemption.
laks1972 wrote:
If this forum rewords the requirement as "Only non-commercial recordings to be uploaded" , then I will be able to upload the recording
I don't know about that. Copyright law still applies regardless of forum rules.
Semmu86 wrote:Dear Shankar ji ,
Are you sure that this nalinakAnti is from the US tour ? I have a feeling that this is an AIR broadcast national programme sometime in the late sixties.
Arvind.
The concert was at Montreal Canada. I did not include a 15 minute tani of Sankaran in this track. He follows this up with sadamadim and then an excellent RTP in shanmukapriya
Shankar
PS: This was my firs t full length live concert from a gentleman 20+ years ago who in turn got it from the man who recorded that concert
Nice points, in fact I have written about all of what you mentioned to the Admin in my private conversations with him.
gn.sn42 wrote:
Copyright expires at some time. Typically, it is 70-90 years after the death of the creator of the work. In the case of works with multiple creators (as a CM concert) you have to start the clock after the last creator dies.
All of the clips uploaded here that of either living artists or that of those who died within 70-90 years from today
gn.sn42 wrote:
If you have the approval of the concerned artists, you may share it, but the copyright still belongs to the artists. Remember, the composers of any works hold copyright as well, and one must obtain a license from them in addition to the artists
True, however barring a few such as Sri Nageswaran, I dont think anyone is getting artist's approval prior to uploading. I did not want to follow their approach.
gn.sn42 wrote:
The principle of fair use exempts some copying but whole tracks or concerts are generally not covered by this exemption.
That is the reason I did not want to upload the full track . As per fair use policy, only 5% or so can be uploaded for "review" purpose.
I am happy to upload 5% of Brindavana Saranga RTP, if that wil serve anyone's purpose
gn.sn42 wrote:
laks1972 wrote:
If this forum rewords the requirement as "Only non-commercial recordings to be uploaded" , then I will be able to upload the recording
.......Copyright law still applies regardless of forum rules.
Of course, just the forum rules will change about what can be uploaded.
I dont think if that will help much as I can not share the sangeethapriya link in this form, same way as I can not share mediafire/sendspace link of that track here
if Admin can confirm that the link wont be deleted, then I can look at that approach
Here is a sample for 2 mins as per fair use policy:
I was browsing a copy of Sri N Rajagopalan's "Another Garland of Music", and there was (quite disappointingly) no mention of Sri MSG, though other contemporaries have been covered in detail. Has anyone noticed this ?
BTW, many thanks Bilahari for the Shanmukhapriya RTP. Should make for exhilarating listening.
srinivasrgvn wrote:An excellent concert of MSG has been uploaded by Sri Hariharan Vaithianathan in his blog:
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This is a commercial recording. Pasting links from other sites may bring copyright infringements to this site too.
Revealing the blog owners name in this site does not seem appropriate too.
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Sri MSG in short is a boon to this earth. His music is so pure, classical, so much of aesthetic & beauty sense - In my opinion, this world ever had, or ever will produce one more violinist like him. "na-bhootho, na-bhavishyathi" ...
I feel elated, blessed & had a 'purva-janma-sukrutham' to have born in a time when I can listen to MSG's music and also see & listen to him in person and seek his blessings.
I have made & met several friends by just writing about MSG over internet a couple of times (shankar krish, mohan, subramaniam, anand, jayaram and many more in this discussion already). I wish I had more time than what I had so far to write into this forum. I hope to upload some concerts I have in my private collection to this site soon - some of them I alreday shared with friends I mentioned above.
His sookshma sruthi, impeccable laya, perfection of bowing & fingering which prove "nothing-is-impossible" to play on violin, ragam, tanam, item rendition, svaram, neraval are just top notch - out of this world. Not only carnatic style, but Hindustani, and even Western (I heard him play several "impossible" western notes).
Personally, being a performing violinist myself, (I am a disciple of guru Sri "Akella Mallikarjuna Sarma" (msakella) who wrote in this thread many times) - Ever since my first month of learning violin under my guru (1985), I have been listening to MSG and I think words cant describe what happiness his music brought for me in this life. If my ears could speak & express they could tell a lot about MSG.
Of particular mention is his rendition of Varnas. As my Guruji mentioned earlier, he has several different ways of rendering varnas. In "my" opinion, he exemplifies how "taana varnas" are to be rendered.
I still remember my childhood days (in warangal) I used to scan radio stations with a small transistor each night back and forth "hoping and praying" to get any station broadcasting his music - and by the qualities of his music as I wrote above, I could pinpoint if it was MSG or not by just listening 3 sec, just as I was searching various frequencies.
He is always in my thoughts throughout the day - God bestow him a very long happy life and a lot of his music to us.
sbala wrote:I've been listening to MSG's Bhavanutha for the last 2 days and it's almost like entering a new world of music.
I once heard it for 2 weeks...
the alapana preceeding is in Bhoop and the ending kalpana swaras with hindustani style is also amazing.
Oh his Nattakurinji(varnam) is something!. Would like to hear a detailed piece in nattakurinji. Does anyone have it.
There is a Nattakuranji RTP by GNB with MSG. I heard that this is one of the concerts which MSG himself stated as "one of the best". I think this one was at Shanmukhananda hall.
The ragam and the tanam were just superb.
The pallavi was "Koniyaada Tharama" . Incidentally, (in telugu language) it means "Is it possible to praise you ..." - (you have to be above a person's level to praise - isnt it?) - probably GNB was saying to MSG - "Koniyaada tharama" and MSG replying back to him "Koniyaada Tharama"... Both "diggajas" in CM.
I will find the concert and post it if it is not already available in this forum.
What a super concert. The Lathangi and Arabhi pieces are incredibly tasty!
Great sound quality too, for a 80s recording.
Sangeethapriya is indeed a treasure trove; I hope wise men are commanding that ship and take steps to preserve it.
Me too. I had occasion to attend rehearsals with a very-small-girl friend of mine and her teacher, at that house recently. I am amazed and delighted to know it has been the family house for so long, maybe always.
It seemed to me very natural to live one's life in the same house, but, unfortunately was disillusioned of that at age fifteen.
Very good writeup about Dr narmada. During last year's concert where Aishu played at nageshwaran's house , Dr narmada was very down to earth and unassuming vidushi. http://www.hindu.com/fr/2010/10/22/stor ... 900200.htm
I am particularly interested in knowing about "one-finger playing " that MSG has created.
Sri MSG completes 80 in June 2011. Should we forumites arrange some sort of celebration? If there is a formal "sathabhishekham", I would love to attend.
I have received the invitation for the Sathabhishekam function of Sri M.S.Gopalakrishnan today.
Sathabishekam function of Sri M.S.Gopalakrishnan is to be conducted on 28th May, 2011 on Saturday with the religious function at the Sri Thyagaraja Sangeetha Samajam, Thyagarajapuram. Mylopore, Chennai – 600 004 On his birthday Star[Nakchatram].
On 10th June, 2011, a reception is arranged at the New Woodlands Hotel at Dr. Radhakrishnan Road, Mylopore, Chennai – 600 004, the English birthday of Sri M.S.Gopalakrishnan, at 6.30 PM.
Violin Deut concert of Sri Ganesh and Kumaresh and Party is arranged during the reception followed by Dinner at 7.00 PM.
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Lovely kalyani , it is so different then the standard fare kalyAni, somu gives an uniqueness and MSG returns are truly wonderful, especially in the swaras. Also how beautifully MSG plays along with somu in nagumOmu , bit very different sangathis than most of the concerts where nagumOmu - Abheri is featured.
MSG A great artisit!! A beautiful rendition of sri valli devasenapathe in natabhairavi by DKJ with MSG and VR accompaniment is top class specially in the swaras section.
Shanks, Am reading this after nearly six years of your posting.
I attended an MSG PMI concert in Shastri Hall around 1970. It was extremely well attended, and almost all students of Mani Iyer and other famous mridangam vidwans were present. Sri TVG was seated close to me. I remember Mani Iyer asking UKS to tune the (second) mridangam by taking it outside the hall. UKS took it to the staircase and tuned it.
I remember MSG playing in an unusually chaste Carnatic style. I remember the concert as a great success. If I remember correctly, Shankarabharana was one of the main items. Of course MSG played his signature Hamsanandi piece and also if I remember right a piece in Sindhu Bhairavi.
May the Lord give Sri MSG Sir many many years of good health so that he can continue to guide youngsters in this great art! I offer my saashtaanga namaskarams to him.
I am new to this wonderful forum. I have been extremely lucky to be associated with our dear MSG sir since 1983 when I met him first in his house at Chennai. I have also been very lucky to have been given the opportunity to record his both Carnatic and Hindustani music for Times music in the year 2000. At the outset I want to let all of you know that I am only listener and I have not learned any music at all. My first experience of MSG's music was an AIR National program accompanied by Shri Vellore Ramabhdran. He had played compositions in Chakravaham, Hindolam , Kalyani and Hindustani Bhairavi. We had recorded this concert in a old Grundig spool player. It is unfortunate that I have lost the recordings due to unavoidable circumstances. I must have heard this recording at least a hundred times. As I was in Delhi at that time, I had made a lot of Hindustani AIR artistes to listen to this recording. I have never come across any body who was not moved by his Kalyani and who was not totally amazed at his Hindustani Bhairavi alapana. I am talking about renowned artistes who are held in great esteem there; Pt Anant Lal ( Shenai and Sangeet Sangeet Natak academy awardee), Munir Khan saheb( Sarangi artiste who was a disciple of Ustad Amir Khan saheb, Pt Gopal Misra ( Vichitra Veena), Pt Satya Dev Pawar ( Violinist )Pramod Shanker ( Sarod, Disciple of Ustad Amjad Lai Khan) and a host of others. They were amazed at his pin point accuracy and depth of his shruthi and impact of his violin technique. In his Bharavi , there were movements that reminded me of great Afghan mountains and I honestly do not know why. Once I had made a foreigner from US listen to this recording. He is a western music enthusiast. The moment he started listening to Kalyani alapana, he told me that it is like he is hearing a vocal music. This particular person has heard great violinists like, Mishca Elman, Nathan Milestien , David Oistrakh , Fritz Kreisler , Jascha Heifitz etc. He was the one who told me that the cellist Pablo Cassals is a great conductor. He informed me that Pablo Cassals used a technique that made his fingers strike the strings in such a way that made the notes to spring from the instrument and each note felt alive. He told me that he had the same feeling when he heard the violin of MSG sir.