following the big 6: the second ghana ragams

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 27 Feb 2009, 11:35

following the big 6 and then the first ghana ragams

i thought we could also discuss what are called the second ghana ragams..

rItigauLa
nArAyaNagauLa
bauLi
kEdAram
sAlanga nATTai

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 27 Feb 2009, 11:40

rItigauLa - janani ninnuvinA
nArAyaNagauLa - srI rAmam
bauLi - srI pArvati paramEsvarau, mElukOvaiyya
kEdAram - maracEvADana rAmA ninnu
sAlanga nATTai

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 27 Feb 2009, 11:43

Oh Boy getting better and better...

Ritigowla - Vanajaksha Ata Tala Varnam (TNS)
Narayanagaula - Kadalevadu (SRJ)
Bowli - Sreemannarayana (MS). Haven't heard much els
Kedaram - Ananda Natana Prakasham what else - too many to recall
Salaga - Nattai - Happy to be educated!!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 27 Feb 2009, 12:32

I am now confused. How does one define a 'g(h)ana ragam'? Does that refer to a weighty ragam? Or these are just called that and the list is well known?

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 27 Feb 2009, 12:40

I don't know more than 3-4 compositions in some of these (and not any in salanga nattai) so I can't participate! I too am confused about what a ghana ragam is.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 27 Feb 2009, 12:49

vk, i dont know why a ragam is called ghana ragam. i m told that there are many definitions to the same.

however, this set of 5 being called second ghana ragams has been known to me for a while now.

even the ghana raga varnam, intakOpamElarA (by veenai kuppaiyar) has nATTai, gauLa, Arabhi, varALi for the first half till the muktyi svaram. srI ragam for the caraNam and bauLi, nArAyaNagauLa, kEdaram and rItigauLa in the cittai svarams.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 27 Feb 2009, 20:57

Reetigowlai and narayana gowlai the Ata varnams.
I like surutti and kedara gowlai more than narayana gowlai though.

Not heard much bauLi, unless you count brahmam okkate.

Don't like kedaram very much. But I like one song which goes as "rama neepai", somehow.

Don't know salaga nattai.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Feb 2009, 21:12

>rItigauLa : jananI ninnu vinA, SrI nIlOtpala nAyikE , rAgaratnamAlikacE

>nArAyaNagauLa : Know only Sri rAmam - and have not heard any elaborate renditions of the rAga anyway

>bauLi: IMHO, this does not ocme in the same league of kEdAra and rItigouLa. But if I were to pick one composition, it would be SrI pArvatI paramESvarou vandE

>kEdAram: Ananda naTana prakASam, of course!

>sAlanga nATTai: Hmm - can anyone sing this rAga, apart from a few that can be counted on one finger?

May be a good approach is to take sAvEri in it's place - which has anyway taken most of the melodic elements of sALanganATi.

In that case, in sAvEri I would choose Sankari Sankuru, parASaktimanu and SrI rAja gOpAla and entanErchina

-Ramakriya

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 27 Feb 2009, 22:00

ramakriya, i did not choose to include sALanga nATTai into the list.

it has been so....

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Feb 2009, 22:27

rbharath wrote:vk, i dont know why a ragam is called ghana ragam. i m told that there are many definitions to the same.

however, this set of 5 being called second ghana ragams has been known to me for a while now.

even the ghana raga varnam, intakOpamElarA (by veenai kuppaiyar) has nATTai, gauLa, Arabhi, varALi for the first half till the muktyi svaram. srI ragam for the caraNam and bauLi, nArAyaNagauLa, kEdaram and rItigauLa in the cittai svarams.

This comes from the veena tradition of playing tAnAs. These are rAgas that are supposed to shine best in tAna rendering. Probably the list itself has existed for 2-3 hundred years.

And in this varna you mention, IIRC, there is a 10th rAga too - nATakuranji, perhaps? I forget.

-Ramakriya

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 27 Feb 2009, 22:31

I have come across nATTaikurinji said to be ghana ragam I think.

kamalamba · Post by **kamalamba** » 28 Feb 2009, 12:33

rIti gaula: Janani Ninnu vina (TNS; SSI; MDR; as different as they can be, but still stirring); nannu vidachi (DKJ); for the most relaxing version JO JO SrI rAmA (MDR; Bombay Jayashri)
nArAyana gaula: I don't know many, but have heard a nice NIlotpalAmbike by Gayathri Girish.
bauLi: Don't know many; MElukovaiya and SrIman nArAyanA (MSS; no way to forget the record that was released in the early 80s)
KEdAram (aka Ramanathapriya): Thyagaraja Guru (MDR composition); Ananda natanaprakAsam (again MDR)
sAlanga nATTai: never heard this rAgam

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 28 Feb 2009, 14:09

Not sure why Nilotpala nayike is being included under Ritigowla. It's Nari ritigowla.

Ritigowla: Janani ninnu vina (Vairamangalam rendition), Paripalaya, Dvaitamu sukhama (great MDR rendition)
Narayana gowla: the varnam (MDR's great rendition), Sri ramam ravikula (SSI popularised this)
Kedaram: Ananda natana prakasam (DKJ's rendition)

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 28 Feb 2009, 23:38

ragam-talam wrote:Not sure why Nilotpala nayike is being included under Ritigowla. It's Nari ritigowla.

I know - MD did not compose in what we call rItigouLa. His rItigouLa was (nArI)rItigouLa. I absolutely do not believe that he composed one kriti (nIlOtpalAmam) in mainstream rItigouLa, and SrI nIlOtpala nAyike in (nArI) rItiouLa. He had one rItigoula, whose kaTapaya prefix was nArI.

But just like other (nArI) rItigouLa kritis, there is a pAthAntara of singing it in mainstream rItigouLa. Incorrect, from the perspective of the composer, may be, but still beautiful.

Both RK Srikanthan and BMK sing this pAThAntara.

-Ramakriya

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 01 Mar 2009, 19:18

My order would be..

1) Bauli - Melukovayya
2) Kedaram - Ananda Natana, Rama Nee Pai
3) Reethigowlai - Ata Tala Varnam, Dwaithamu Sukhama
4) Narayanagowlai - Shri Ramam, Varnam (by TNK)
5) Salanga nattai - Clueless..

Sathej

rajesh_rs · Post by **rajesh_rs** » 06 Aug 2009, 18:39

Reethigowlai - Thatvamariya Tharama, Sadguru Swamiki
Bauli - Sriman Narayana
Kedaram - Rama Na Pai
Narayanagowlai - No clue
Salanga nattai - No clue

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 07 Aug 2009, 11:04

Reethigowla - Janani by MDR, SSI and also a Neyveli recording, Dwaithamu sukhama (MDR), Paripalaya (with all the charanams by MDR). Though I understand that Naririthigowla doesn't fall under this, I like TMK's Shri Nilotpalanayike
Narayanagowla - This is a favorite raga of mine but unfortunately we don't get to hear it in the concert platforms often. Kaddalevaadu by CSP, Somu; Sri Ramam by Balaji Shankar/SSI and Maguva by MDR
Bowli - Melukovayya and Paravati Nayaka? (Sanjay)
Kedaram - Ananda Natana Prakasham - haven't heard this raga in a while
Salanga Nattai - Never heard of it. What's the arohanam and avarohanam?

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 07 Aug 2009, 11:37

salanga nata remains a puzzle.. anyway here is what i gleaned so far:

Chayalaka Raga (also Salaka or Salanga): These Ragas will contain a hint of other Ragas: Saurashtram, Saranga http://www.sarasvati.it/articles.asp?id=56
http://www.geocities.com/carnaticnotes/ ... cMusic.htm

Of Saranga Nata / Salanga Nata
http://www.carnatic-music.com/ragas/naata.txt
Reference to a discussion of the raga lakshana of Saranganata at the MA
http://www.musicacademymadras.in/articl ... dex_14.php

Comparing Saveri and Salanga nata
http://www.karnatik.com/ragass.shtml
Reference to a recent lec-dem on the comparison of allied ragas (includes Saveri & Salanganata) by Dr. T. Sachi Devi http://parthasarathysabha.com/Lec-Dem.php

Of Kedaragoula and Saranga Nata
http://www.archive.org/stream/ramamarya ... p_djvu.txt

Also refer to Post # 74
http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... ds-p3.html

DikshitarÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s avyajakarunakatakshi by Prof SRJ
http://sangeethapriya.org/tributes/diks ... ithis.html
http://www.carnaticindia.com/article3.html

naa tappulo gonave of Annamacharya has been set to music by Vinjamuri Varadaraja Iyengar in the raga Salanganata - i'm not sure if a recording is available
http://www.geocities.com/vinjamuri_s195 ... _Music.htm

insights from other compositions would be helpful

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 08 Aug 2009, 07:01

A LITTLE HUMOUR. VK , Your post number 4 .Does it refer to the girth of the singer? gobilalitha