Carnatic Quick Crossword - 2

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 27 Jul 2009, 20:47

i have tried one 11 x 11 grid with symmetry.

friends, try this:

http://carnatiquiz.blogspot.com/2009/07/cq-47.html

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 27 Jul 2009, 21:45

naaraya naaraya naaraya ,just now I thought "I was dead on arrival" ,now you are killing with another one. I thought I need a seperate in terms of asking questions how crossword trinity arun,suji and naarayanan are creating it . But that is later . Right now let this be the crossword, suji and arun please donot create another one .
You three need to share how to create crossword , post this solution of narayanan we will discuss that , infact I have typed a post in my notepad and not posted that yet

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 27 Jul 2009, 21:58

Naarayan's crossworld rules are quite different from mine - which can cause further confusion

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 27 Jul 2009, 22:23

I am ready with another set of crossword, but I will wait to finish Narayan's first.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 27 Jul 2009, 22:51

rajesh, dont worry after this crossword, we will share our experiences.

yeah, arun and suji meticulously stick to the accepted crossword norms.

mine is a 'freeflow' attempt.

but this one, i have taken spl. efforts to make it look like a 'real' crossword as many of us have encountered in newspapers.

in fact arun's was the first freeform crossy i ever attempted. its far ahead in quality and it only inspired me to try my hand at creating one.

thanks arun.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 28 Jul 2009, 08:52

Suji Ram wrote:I am ready with another set of crossword, but I will wait to finish Narayan's first.

Suji
We will take up nArayanan and then you 3 will share how to create crossword and then you can come up with your crossword.
Narayanan,
Let us tentatively put the dates till next Sunday night Aug 9th,2009 as a deadline for your cword #2 . No clues till then please.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 28 Jul 2009, 09:28

ok rajesh, but it is a very easy one. so, if you finish it earlier, do let us know.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 18:25

naarayanan
Took a first look at your crossword. Quite a lot is easy to mediocre and few immediate takeaways are there.For the last 2 hours , I am stuck with 3 clues

# 8.& 13.ac : Put flowers before Slumdog heroine, and she will sing this raga (6,7)
This clue is very very difficult to me . Not an inch I am able to move here.

# 2.The path in 'Dur Marga Chara' is upside down (5)
Looked at this clue even upside down , this is also tough, though I am 50-50% with an answer but the answer may be a last minute guess, just in case if I dont move forward.

Other two crossword trinities (suji and arun),
How is it going for you?

All others,
I urge you all to attempt this . You can break the ice easily with 12 Down.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 31 Jul 2009, 20:18

hi rajesh,

what is the name of the heroine in the movie slumdog millionaire? if u get this then it is a cakewalk.

the path is at the centre of 'dur marga chara'. and make it upside down.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 31 Jul 2009, 20:39

I got them all except for the two sets of 3-letter ones at the ends.
Naryanan, this one was too basic. Clues like "MLV's disciple" etc. were, well, a bit too simple.

I liked your first one better.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 20:50

naarayanan
I did know slumdog millionaire but somehow that first name and last name is still not fitting with raga and also not fitting with other neighbouring clues that I solved.

With respect to upside down , as I stated before my 50-50% could be right, but stillnot sure how it fits in the clue?

Give me a day (I will post all the remaining answers )guessing upside down but me being not a millionaire I will pass that ,you just verify if all my remaining answers are right, the worst thing is me getting confidently a clue but later it turn out to be wrong in turn jeopadrizing all the rest . I will tie the paper and send you a spam mail. Looks like I usually miss one or two clues, that is my crossword padantara

.

Curious about the usual top finishers suji and arun . What is happening to Ragam thalam and sridhar_rang in this crossword , where are they placed ?

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 31 Jul 2009, 21:10

well rt, you missed out the title it seems. it is a 'quick crossword'. hahaha

so, just 2,3 hard ones and the rest are quickies.

will try a real hard one next time.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:04

ragam-talam wrote:I got them all except for the two sets of 3-letter ones at the ends.

narayanan
With RT getting 8 Down and 13 Across , I am not still not getting closer to answer

I have sent all the answers excepting 8D and 13 A , 2 Down I am taking a calculated guess.

Just let me know if those answers that I sent are right. You should have my answers in your email box(usually it goes into spam)

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:32

slum dog I got (one with flowers)
marga easy
3 and 6 -one could be a tala?
5 and 10 I got , but some clash in spelling I guess. it is not fitting in the grid.
1 down I am guessing.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:46

rajesh, my id is [email protected]. u can send it to this id itself. i dont find ur mail in my spam folder.

suji, there is no talam involved in 3 and 6. one of papanasam sivan's classic hindolam-s may help you.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:48

I think I got all except 3 and 6 (although I also find clash between 5 and 10).

I liked 14A the best - very well done.

Arun

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:48

Looking at the post of RT and Suji they have got it . For me still no clue . Some loud thinking here the actress in SD millionaire is frieda pinto, how can that fit in the answer for 8 Down and 13 Across. Should I go and see that movie (not seen that yet) to get the answer :rolleyes: ? Time to really rolleyes and sleep, at times I get the answer in my sleep

.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:49

narayanan - I did try the part of PS's krithi for 3&6 earlier - but i could get only one answer

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:50

rajeshnat wrote:Looking at the post of RT and Suji they have got it . For me still no clue . Some loud thinking here the actress in SD millionaire is frieda pinto, how can that fit in the answer for 8 Down and 13 Across. Should I go and see that movie (not seen that yet) to get the answer :rolleyes: ? Time to really rolleyes and sleep, at times I get the answer in my sleep .

Let us say - that she had another name in relation to that movie - didnt she

?

Arun

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:52

arunk wrote:narayanan - I did try the part of PS's krithi for 3&6 earlier - but i could get only one answer

Arun

Arun you have already given the answer with your PS reference. For me both of them was easy. Did you get 8 down and 13 Across

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:53

Her name in the movie should help you now

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:56

well, since all the regulars have given their attendance, i shall reveal the answers.

http://narayananswaminathan.blogspot.co ... ord-2.html

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 22:59

Suji Ram wrote:Her name in the movie should help you now

O gosh I got it , banged my head for 2 rAgas but there is just one rAgA there, should have known this .

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 31 Jul 2009, 23:09

O narayanan
You have given the solution, I thought you should have waited for more to join, especially with sitters like damal and sudha being there. For me I overcomplicated the SDM clues thinking it is too ragas. May be if I had seen the movie, the actual character name may have helped.
I could not reason out agram though I guesed as G & A was already solved and went with agram (need your reasoning for that)
UMA and MAA was quite easy.
The ahiri is something I did not write it in reverse initially, but after getting all the clues around it wrote ahiri as iriha(never knew crosswords can have reverse answers)

Thakita and Anu were the most difficult to solve for me , considering I got pushpa and lathika only after the last specific clue of suji.

All except two is right. Really have to roll my eyes and sleep now.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 31 Jul 2009, 23:14

I got most of the answers but fitting was a problem. Reversing in CW never heard that. That put me off in all the ones in that corner though I got all my answers.. And Agram is that carnatic term for something or song name ? So savitri was my answer but did not fit. Uma I knew but not Maa. Ata was right but Anu?

And it is "ta ki ta" though I knew your ways of spelling : )
Tha ka dhi mi and ta ki ta that's the way we write. I hope I am right ( I attend mrdangam lessons

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 31 Jul 2009, 23:32

i think i have given clues for both the reversals.

"upside down" for 'marga' and "from the right" for 'ahiri'. it is still marga and ahiri only.

just you have to see from the opposite side.

and suji, dont make me cry with the problems i had to face while making a symmetric crossword.

i had to fit some words in those places.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 31 Jul 2009, 23:40

suji - anu as in anuswara

Arun

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 31 Jul 2009, 23:46

was a good attempt narayanan in making this. I will get used to your ways

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 01 Aug 2009, 00:12

I had solved all except ANU and MAA - it's funny how sometimes you can't get the small ones!

My feedback: Some of the clues were way too obvious, e.g. for SUDHA and DAMAL. You could have made them a bit more interesting, e.g. "Tyagaraja's Andholika kriti without the raga rasa" or "First name of trinity singer who is considered a musical dam always" etc.

Look forward to the next one. Is it Suji's turn now?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 01 Aug 2009, 00:47

I am ready with another one. However Rajesh wanted some lessons on how to create CWs. I guess he is asking how to get those dubba's made. As for me I use just an empty grid and fill in as I please. Crosswords creators are good but it takes many trials to achieve the desired one. I am faster making one manually after picking most from CW maker.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 01 Aug 2009, 03:00

Sorry to intrude,

I am not good at all at solving these puzzles but I thought I will quickly create one, a crazy one to see how oblique brained you all are.

Ready?

Here are the clues:

Down
2. Run Run Kauravas, I share something with the victors (7)
3. White Skinned people may be fond of this place in TN.. may be but then people who live there don't need that skin treatment (7) -

Across
1. Oh Lord, dont go to the past, participle that is, let me praise you with that name (10)
4. when the usual path is not good enough (5)
5. Moon colored Prasanna vadana (7)

The numbers in paranthesis are the number of letters in the answer.

I am sure if someone gives this to me, I would never be able to solve it, it is much easier to make clues. I tried to phrase the clues as obscure as possible but without going too far in the deep end.
May be this will be a piece of cake for all of you.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 01 Aug 2009, 08:47

vasanthakokilam wrote: I am sure if someone gives this to me, I would never be able to solve it, it is much easier to make clues. I tried to phrase the clues as obscure as possible but without going too far in the deep end.

VK
Crossword is something new to me only with Arun's #1 , I have been making a slow start. You can assume crossword creators have to be like deep thinking software performers , they have to break their head zillion times so that they are convinced that there is enough latch for the end solvers to solve the same . In first pass for the first 2 minutes , I did not get even one . Perhaps give us atleast 3 to 4 days.
DONT REVEAL THE ANSWER

Suji
Once we are solving VK's (hopefully), you 3 can go into the mode of teaching us how to create puzzles ?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 01 Aug 2009, 09:06

Rajesh,
It's just a play of words. I take a particular word and split meaningfully and frame a question giving indications about what to do. Other times I find homophones somewhat like samam (sum) or same word different meaning-like drone

For eg in my first CW: I picked carukesi- I find rasik and cue as meaningful words. Then I have to somehow indicate for solvers to arrive at it.
It was all by chance I hooked it to sarangi as they sound similar. A word came to my mind as "fine tune" rasik and cue to a different melody.
Similarly sarasangi I split to get -I sang with rasa-. I needed a word again and I chose "Sort" for solvers to arrive at it. Therefore I said sort of like carukesi

You can easily judge now after solving several CWs from us how we think.

It is all a random process and there are several ways to think about it.
You can also use software to generate words for you, but I usually sit during commute and think it out myself. It makes us feel smart sometimes

I'm sure you will enjoy my next one.

VK's ones seem tough for me. Need some indicators like melody, beat people etc.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 01 Aug 2009, 09:19

hi vk, yes it is obscure. but let us rake our brains for a while.

rajesh, there are free softwares like crossword compiler and crossword forge.

actually they are not free, but allow a trial version. (namakku than edhaiyum kasu koduthu vaangi pazhakkame kedayadhe. at least me. 'freea kodutha kodu, illena un sangaathame vendaam' category naan.)

they allow us to create the crossword, but we cant export it to the web.

crossword forge allows only 'freeform' crosswords. no symmetric ones. after making the crossword you have to 'print screen' the page and make a .jpg from paint. thats what i did. maybe arun has a licensed software.

crossword compiler allows you to create and save a symmetric crossword. but it does not allow to reopen it with trial software. (enna kodumai saravanan idhu)

so, once saved and closed it is govinda. so before closing, again we have to take necessary 'print screen's and make jpgs out of it.

of course it is a cumbersome process, but when people attempt them enthusiastically, all the efforts seem to be worth it.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 01 Aug 2009, 09:31

c2w.com allows to create an online crossword. nothing to download. just give the words and the clues. it creates a freeform crossword.

but a drawback is, the answers are always available. u can click 'reveal' and see the answers. so we cant resist ourselves after 10, 15 minutes. we will naturally click 'reveal'.

i will try it with vk's puzzle, if he can give the answers to me. my mail id is [email protected].

to see how it looks click here:

http://narayananswaminathan.blogspot.co ... sword.html

just click on the squares, it will allow you to type in the grid itself.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Aug 2009, 05:49

I realized I did not provide the coordinates of the starting box for each word. I decided to include a picture of the puzzle as a fix.

Also, updated the clues to be less obscure. Now this may be too easy.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 03 Aug 2009, 09:33

no vk, its still tough.

shashi varnam, i cud guess from moon coloured. but could not go further.

the others i will take a print out and try it in office. thats where i am free.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 03 Aug 2009, 20:20

i could get only #3.

Arun

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Aug 2009, 23:07

May be this will give away too much: 1, 2 and 4 have something to do with ragas...

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 06 Aug 2009, 02:06

Suji, wonder if we can that much-promised crossword puzzle of yours? Thank you.
(I am having x-word withdrawal symptoms already...)

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 Aug 2009, 02:52

ragam-talam wrote:Suji, wonder if we can that much-promised crossword puzzle of yours? Thank you.
(I am having x-word withdrawal symptoms already...)

Will put up shortly.

I could solve only 3 down of Vk's . Maybe some day it will click.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 06 Aug 2009, 08:40

vk, could you please reveal the answers. i give up.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 06 Aug 2009, 08:56

1. Ganamurthy
2. Mohanam
3. Tanjore
4. Vakra
5. Vignesh

Remember, I told you it was obscure...

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 06 Aug 2009, 10:40

VK
I got only 3 down. White Skinned people may be fond of this place in TN.. may be but then people who live there don't need that skin treatment (7) - because of skin treatment and tan and then to tanjore. All the rest no clue, this is like writing an engineering paper "Electromagnetics" in my second year of college. No clue there, just scraped thru similiarly only by tanjore I just scraped.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 06 Aug 2009, 10:52

Vk,
4- vakra - good one !

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 06 Aug 2009, 10:54

VK
Can you explain the reasoning for answers too

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 06 Aug 2009, 12:03

1. Ganamurthy : Oh Lord ( murthy ) dont go to the past, participle that is ( gone ), let me praise you with that name

2. Mohanam : Run Run Kauravas, I share something with the victors - The common thing is five. Pancha pandavas and Pentatonic
3. Tanjore : You all got the reasoning correctly
4. Vakra : when the usual path is not good enough, a vakra path is useful.....
5. Vignesh: Moon colored Prasanna vadana - naarayanan got the reference to Moon colored as Sashi Varnam. Sashi Varnam prasanna vadanam refers to Ganesha/vignesh in the popular slokam Shuklam baradaram......