Carnatic Cryptic Crossword Puzzle #5

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 Jul 2009, 22:31

http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/ ... -puzzle-5/

Enjoy! If clues are obscure blame it on my rustiness

Arun

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 08 Jul 2009, 03:40

Arun - thanks for the puzzle. As usual, enjoyed this one. I think I got all except one, 2-Down.
Have sent you the answers. Do let me know if I am on the right track!

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 08 Jul 2009, 09:16

Arun
Dont give the answers till next monday please . I can only work on weekends

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 08 Jul 2009, 19:51

thanks r-t

rajesh - sure, but you know you can always chose not to look at the answers until you are ready

- right?

Arun

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 Jul 2009, 09:13

Arun
Solved 9 out of 15.Give all of us atleast few more days . Would be nice if you post a 24 hour notice so that I will submit the answers by that time (just like exam invigilator saying last 10 minutes).
Out of curiosity can you cross check 8 down clue please , I am sure I got 12 across(100%) , but 8 down I got an answer but 8 down is not fitting with 12 across. You just need to cross check 8 down, if there is no mistake from your side , just say so. Dont disclose anything more..

5 Across , 10 Across, 1 Down , 3 across , 4 down and 15 across are the ones that I am yet to complete. Trying for the past 24 hours to unspell Assam(10 across) still dont know how

; I am assuming there are lot of your sarangadeva , subbarama dikshitar stuff(Arun's pet research areas) and possibly more loads of tAlas

than rAgas

this time.

BTW where is ace solver suji , is she participating.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 13 Jul 2009, 17:45

rajesh - I don't think there is any mistake as a couple of people have got them all right - atleast one person has shared the answers and they are 100% right. Btw, there are no talas or research stuff in this one - lots of ragas. For 10 across, you are on the right track but it is not just Assam (hint: you know how many letters are needed in the answer, so read the clue without reading too much into the direct meaning, and gather the words whose total # of letters match the clue and then apply your procedure).

I was planning to post the answers later today. But I can wait for one more day. Like I said, you need not look at them until you are ready

- particularly since the next puzzle may not be immediately forthcoming (although it would be soon - say end of this week or so)

Arun

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 13 Jul 2009, 19:27

rajesh, there is a clue in the blog for 10 across. 'aahiri'

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 Jul 2009, 22:02

arunk wrote: I was planning to post the answers later today. But I can wait for one more day. Like I said, you need not look at them until you are ready - particularly since the next puzzle may not be immediately forthcoming (although it would be soon - say end of this week or so)

Arun,
For all the years in school , every maths teacher told me never to turn pages and go towards the end of the book to refer answers , but I have never listened to that advice and always looked at the answer

.

Thanks for giving time , let the cut off be 10 PM Tuesday IST . I think I got assam incorrectly clue . 3 and 15 across are killing me, 1 ,4 and 8 down is still a mystery to me , I am only rolling eyes across and down like :rolleyes:

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 13 Jul 2009, 23:27

15A can be pretty hard (hint: get that mexican greeting figured out - and it may allow you to narrow the answer down)

3A - operative word is "broke" - so again you need to figure what needs to be broken, although it is not straight-forward to get there - one step (as conveyed) by the clue is needed. (it may be confusing if you read too much into the direct meaning conveyed by the clue)

1D - same as 3A only more straightforward
4D - operative word is "turned out" and hence not that different from above - about similar difficulty level as 3A
8D - I would look at an atlas

Arun

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 14 Jul 2009, 02:58

8D - I would look at an atlas

Tyagaraja's pancharatna ragas can also provide a clue.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Jul 2009, 09:16

ragam-talam wrote:
8D - I would look at an atlas
Tyagaraja's pancharatna ragas can also provide a clue.

I got this , certainly this rAgA is always overlapping with another rAgA ,TRS made an interesting joke on this rAgA.
BTW I assumed malavi , as there is a country by name malawi which grows tea , I got that wrong as it did not fit with 12 across which I am 100% sure.

1 and 4 down, 3 and 15 across to go , arun your clues above are not helping me much. The only greeting I know in mexica is wave,that is not helping me .I will go to work now , come back home roughly at 9pm tonight and I will tie the paper and submit as a spam mail by 10 PM to you, after working for the last 1 hour.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 14 Jul 2009, 11:14

Rajesh you do sound like a school kid : )

I got them all- I think. Solved them while driving thru a desert!

15 across - I think I'm right
you hear an Indian language, somewhat, right?

1D - should fit well if you got 7 and 10 across. I spelt it wrong first but got it right later- clue is st forward
3A- Think WHY is that a problem?
4D Arun's favorite- you need to know chemistry between silver and gold

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 14 Jul 2009, 18:34

4 clue: i and rita in gaul, sang this raga!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 14 Jul 2009, 19:32

suji - 15A - yes possibly (assuming I get you)

rajesh - 3A. Just concentrate on the first 6 words of the clue and try to think of an answer
15A - try mexican/spanish for hello - that is part of the answer

Arun

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 14 Jul 2009, 20:28

sakedharama help rajesh on 15.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Jul 2009, 21:59

Suji Ram wrote: 4D Arun's favorite- you need to know chemistry between silver and gold

Suji Chemical symbols of Silver and Gold I knew that and I got it too.Infact I was zeroing on one of the deriavatives of melakartha 22 for the last 2 or so days , but still with your clue I got it

Arun wrote: 15A - try mexican/spanish for hello - that is part of the answer

Got that before this clue as I googled to find the mexican greeting incidentally that name is matching with a popular shampoo name in india , though 100% not sure of that

1 Down and 3 Across I am not getting it yet. There is just 4 minutes more I will submit the answer before Arun walks out of the hall and gives me zero

May be I will get 1 Down if another 30 minutes is given , but 3 across it is bonkers to me.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Jul 2009, 22:08

Arun
I sent you my answers , check your spam folder. Confirm if you have got it.
1 Down - - - U - - T - - (His tampur got warped and started producing a gamaka!)
3.Across - - - - - - - R - A - (The main feature of the dance was a lesson on how the yudhisthira's lead)

The above 2 I have not solved .

. Narayanan ,arunand suji even with your clues I am not getting it, :rolleyes:

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 14 Jul 2009, 22:31

Solution has been posted. http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/ ... -puzzle-5/

Thanks for playing!
Arun

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Jul 2009, 22:36

rajeshnat wrote:Arun
I sent you my answers , check your spam folder. Confirm if you have got it.
1 Down - - - U - - T - - (His tampur got warped and started producing a gamaka!)
3.Across - - - - - - - R - A - (The main feature of the dance was a lesson on how the yudhisthira's lead 4-6)

The above 2 I have not solved . . Narayanan ,arunand suji even with your clues I am not getting it, :rolleyes:

Now i just got 3 across too , I think the second half of the answer with 6 is the first one of a typical concert , guessing the first 4 though not sure.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 14 Jul 2009, 22:36

Rajesh, 3A, I was hinting that Y is the problem there. Without it you should get the answer- remember dance is also a clue there. Now get it!!

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 15 Jul 2009, 08:57

i got all right except hindolam. i took it as rear + k (que) + a..m and thought it was kedharam. there is a mexican/spanish greeting starting with que.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Jul 2009, 09:11

1Down -Sphurious sphuritam

is the one that I had no clue. Rest I got it of course with few paper passes from fellow forumites

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 15 Jul 2009, 10:48

I did leave another clue for 15A- hear the indian language somewhat- Hindi-Hindolam

Rajesh, did you solve this one. You will score a 100 % surely. I forgot to even provide answers.
http://rasikas.org/forums/post120530.html#p120530

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 15 Jul 2009, 21:27

ya suji, a biased mind will think in its own way. i thought u were hinting at 'keralam', a word also used to refer malayalam.

i have given a quick crossword. do try and post ur comments.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 15 Jul 2009, 23:03

naarayanan - Usually a jumble (like rear in your logic for kedharam) shouldnt be attempted unless directly implied by the clue (i did break this rule once in this set). Also if K is implied for que, then that also should be hinted in the clue (say sounds like a mexican greeting)

Arun

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 15 Jul 2009, 23:22

yes arun, and there is no 'd' for kedharam in my logic. and i didnt arrive it through logic. just by looking at it i decided it is kedharam and interpreted the clue according to it. thats where i was wrong.