MAARGAHINDOLAM

Sivaraman · Post by **Sivaraman** » 01 May 2006, 01:41

http://rapidshare.de/files/19296960/Siv ... i.mp3.html

Song: calamElaraa
chalamElaraa
raagam: maargahindOLam

22 kharaharapriyaa janya
Aa: S R2 G2 M1 P D2 N2 S
Av: S N2 D2 P M1 G2 S

taaLam: dEshaadi
Composer: Tyaagaraaja
Language: Telugu

pallavi

calamElarA sAkEtarAmA

anupallavi

valaci bhakti mArgamutOnu ninnu varnincu cunna natO

caraNam

endu bOdu nE nEmi sEyadunu eccOTa nE mora beTTudunu
dandhanalatO proddu pOvalen tAla jAlara tyAgarAjanuta

kriasshnan · Post by **kriasshnan** » 01 May 2006, 08:03

Here is one more song in Marga Hindolam from one of MLV's radio recordings.

http://rapidshare.de/files/19319146/Cha ... D.mp3.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 01 May 2006, 11:22

Thanks for the MD composition. Who is the person singing with her? Charumati?
Ravi

kriasshnan · Post by **kriasshnan** » 01 May 2006, 12:21

Yes it is Charumathi.

raviraj · Post by **raviraj** » 05 May 2006, 12:13

Can somebody please repost the download link for MLV's rendition of Chandrashekaram?

Is there any recording of the other MD piece "Margahindolaragapriye" in the same raga sung on the presiiding deity of Vrinchipuram? TIA.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 05 May 2006, 14:53

I am removing this post since it has caused offence

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 06 May 2006, 01:01

mohan!
it is indeed an agony to hear such comments. Mr Sivaraman never claimed that he was a professional musician. He was just giving free rein to his imagination in a 'friendly company'. If you wanted, you could have given constructive crticism than sticking him with intention to hurt with a vague barbed comment. Sivaraman is a senior and I presume you are much younger and in spite of your knowledge of CM you seem to lack basic traditional courtesy that is the basis of what goes with that knowledge! I feel sorry for your behaviour and would implore Mr Sivarman to ignore your comments with grace knowing as he would 'lOkO bhinna ruci'.

Sivaraman · Post by **Sivaraman** » 06 May 2006, 10:51

CML,
You are truly a great soul with your knowledge and understanding.Don't worry. I have not seen Mr. Mohan's post, and even it was very critical of my rendition, I do not mind the same, since, as you have aptly put it, ultimately it's a matter of individual tastes.My only intention in putting up my rendition was to provide an outlet to my deep love for CM and also to invite other more knowledgeable people like Mr. Mohan to post their better renderings, so I can learn from them.If Mr. Mohan feels that my posting was unwarranted, I am sorry for the same.Let me assure him that he will not see any further postings from me in this forum.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 06 May 2006, 12:34

Sivraman
Take it easy.
This forum is meant for celebration.Celebrate it as you like.

And remember

The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there, except those that sang best.

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 06 May 2006, 15:16

Dear all,

As CML rightly puts it, let us all learn to respect age, wisdom, qualification and experience. Let us not get overindulgent towards certain opinions so long as these are constructive. I am not giving a piece of advice, but let us stick to our cherished fundamentals.

Kaumaaram

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 06 May 2006, 16:01

I think CML has overreacted. I had read mohan's post.
I would be curious at WHY the claim was made. People should focus on why a post is being posted rather than reacting with "you ... sticking him with intention to hurt with a vague barbed comment" etc.
How can one be so sure that was mohan's intention? [rhetorical question]

One does not have to 'be' a professional musician in order to handle honest criticisms appropriately. Whether it's Nithyasree or Sanjay, how would they react? [again-rhetorical] Sifting past the "non-constructive comments" is a skill that isn't limited to a professional artist.

I think a forum such as this should just treat members with equality, even in terms of respect. If people here are going to give more respect to some people over others on the basis of their "age", "experience", "qualification", "wisdom" etc., we might as well bring back the old caste system which has "died out".

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 06 May 2006, 23:49

My own take on this issue is that Shri Sivaraman can take things sportively. One person's opinion should not rattle his resolve, for if it were so, love for music will not have meaning. So please keep going; and let everyone have their own opinions to which they are entitled.

Having said that, I did also not fail to note that Shri Mohan's expression of his opinion was a bit severe, but I am no one to stand in judgement over that.

Sivaraman · Post by **Sivaraman** » 07 May 2006, 06:30

srkris,
I have done precisely what you have suggested, if you have read my reply above.I have not blamed Mohan for anything. On the contrary, I have told him that I would like to learn from more knowledgeable people like him.I know people have a right to their own opinions and we cannot sit on judgement .And as,Coolkarni has so aptly put it in his wise words:
"The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there, except those that sang best ".
And Kaumaaram needs to be commended for his balanced views on the subject of criticism.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 07 May 2006, 07:38

Ok- my main concerns with the krithi rendition are:

1. a lot of tala lapses.. several sangatis in the pallavi do not fit within the desAdi tala.
2. sruthi lapses
3. use of the pmgr phrase (that has been sung for example in between anupallavi and charanam) that I don't think should come in margahindolam
4. over-ambitious sangatis - voice has not coped and thus it sounds like a strain

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 07 May 2006, 09:13

Trying to break this circle of discussions......

With these few short and sweet tracks

http://rapidshare.de/files/19818373/ned ... a.mp3.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/19818054/tns ... m.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/19817875/035 ... y.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/19817714/Dor ... m.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 07 May 2006, 10:00

mohan
You do seem to have very high standards which many Vocalists will not be able to meet. Of course you are in perfect control with the keyboard wherein you have to intentionally introduce a shruti or tala lapse

Since a vast many of us are weak in the laya concepts we are enrolling en masse in the cyber vidyalaya (including yourself).

I agree pmgr is inadmissible in margahindolam though according to snagita paarijaata it was permissible once
'hindOLO ri pa yOgEna mArgahindOLakO bhavet|' (shloka 433)

Would you mind indicating the eduppu and aRuthi for 'chalamElara'?

Thank you!

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 07 May 2006, 10:26

CML - you are free to critisize my rendtions but please be specific. Sruthi lapse on the keyboard are close to impossible since it is a fixed key instrument!

Chalamelara begins 1.5 beats from samam and the major stress "ra" falls on the 5th beat or first dhrutam.

Ri is permissible in Marga Hindolam's ascent but if it occurs in descent it will just be the same as Natabhairavi.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 07 May 2006, 11:27

mohan
No criticism at all. I was hinting that it is impossible to have lapse on the keyboard but the human voice is poorly engineered. I have heard too many shruti and taaLam lapses even among 'famous' musicians. At times one can catch a glint of sarcasm on the eyes of the mridangist on those occassions who rarely confide the occurrances.

Since Chalamelara has 1.5 edam and as you know the song wraps around, one (even an expert) is walking the knife's edge singing it properly! Actually I discovered the 'ra' aRuthi only by listening to the mridangist!

I disagree that a simple addition of ri pa will not be enough to convert HindoLam into NaTabhairavi. The current practice is to sing G D and N with less gamakam in NaTabhairavi whereas gamakam on G is quite common in Hindolam. Of course I am not advocating experimenting with ri in the avarOhaNam

Vishnampettai Jayendran · Post by **Vishnampettai Jayendran** » 07 May 2006, 15:52

Mr Sivaraman,
I am not learned enough to offer any feedback or criticism.. but I can offer one simple piece of advice , which doesnt need any carnatic training : Include a shruti box, or tanpura track in your next recording

Jayendran

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 07 May 2006, 16:19

"which doesnt need any carnatic training "

Depends. Technically it would if one's shruthi is somewhere in between the conventional...

Vishnampettai Jayendran · Post by **Vishnampettai Jayendran** » 07 May 2006, 16:43

i meant i dont have any carnatic training, but i could make that advice,
why would i care where my shruti is while giving that advice?

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 07 May 2006, 21:52

I guess I interpreted it differently. I meant, that using a electronic shruthi box or tanpura might need carnatic training etc. Sorry.

raviraj · Post by **raviraj** » 07 May 2006, 23:36

Request to coolkarni/others:

Can you please repost the links for the Margahindolam-Chandrasekaram rendition by MLV. TIA

meena · Post by **meena** » 07 May 2006, 23:41

raviraj

the uploader 'kriasshnan' has deleted the link. Not sure why.

ANYONE any idea IF Margahindolam-Chandrasekaram rendition by MLV was a commercial recording?

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 07 May 2006, 23:52

Meena

There are quite a few renditions of that krithi by MLV. Some commercial and some not...

Raviraj!!!
A Radio concert of MLV was posted on Sangeethapriya website ages ago, which has that krithi...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 May 2006, 01:05

Raviraj
Here is chandrasekharam by Sudha
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/1/m/ragam.202/

vidyasreeni · Post by **vidyasreeni** » 21 Jul 2006, 16:12

Does any one have Chandrashekaram by MLV. I would be happy if you could upload the same. The link which was existing has expired.

thanks & regards,
Vidya

DrMrinalini · Post by **DrMrinalini** » 15 Aug 2006, 11:21

What is the janaka raga of Margahindolam? Isn't it Natabhairavi?

Radhakrishnan · Post by **Radhakrishnan** » 15 Aug 2006, 11:52

According to certain texts it is the janya of 22nd kharaharapriya

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 22 Aug 2006, 16:21

What is the difference between Maargahindolam and Saramati?

Dr S Ramanathan, once analysing the song "Paadariyen" from the movie Sindhu Bhairavi, maintained that the singer unwittingly entered the Maargahindolam jurisidiction while the song was said to be rendered in Saramati.

Is kannadagowlai related to both these ragas?

thanjavur · Post by **thanjavur** » 13 May 2007, 21:56

Sangeethapriya (Margahindolam) links

Chalamela ra
by S Rajeswari (contribution - TVG)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~tvg/298. ... 9%20MB.mp3

Chandrasekaram (Dikshitar)
by R Anaga (contribution - TVG)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~tvg/269. ... 3%20MB.mp3

by MLV
contribution - D V Prasad

by Satur (contribution - KL)
Song # 5

by Shanta Rangaswamy (contribution - HMG Murthy)
Song # 040

by TVR (contribution - HMG Murthy)
Song # 041

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 17 May 2007, 13:25

Natabairavi:
s r2 g2 m1 p d1 n2 s
s n2 d1 p m1 g2 r2 s

Margahindolam:
s r2 g2 m1 p d1 n2 s
s n2 d1 p m1 g2 s

Saramathi:
s r2 g2 m1 p d1 n2 s
s n2 d1 m1 g2 s

kannadagoula:
s r2 g2 m1 p n2 s
s n2 d2 p m1 g2 s

Notice the use of d2 in kannadagoula, whereas the others use d1.
-bhaktha