Dr. Shrikaanth K Murthy

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 06:49

DRS-----
I would have to sya that Iam having lot of trouble in pronouncing the words as Iam not familiar with the language.
Thanks anyway for the notation.....

Although some difficulty is understandable, it should not be as diffcult as you think as the sAhitya is written phonetically. Moreover, I have also provided just the lyrics in the thread itself to help you split the words correctly. Meanings are being discussed which will help you grasp better.
Regarding how to read phonetically, I have provided the transliteration/transcription code on Page 1 of the thread.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 06:55

Thank you^infinity
Now I can hear enjoy and analyze each segment leisurely.
Those pictures (some of them seem to be special) are great. You should explain them in context.

I am scared now what you will ask me next!

I did not

paint those pictures

(Now I have to hunt to see whether Sahana is hiding somewhere )

No need to look further.

You have found me.

sahadharmacarI mamA
chAyaivAnugatA sadA

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 07:28

I have also noticed that D is not much used in Shri Ragam...Even if it is present it always appears towards the end of the song like PDNPM....

Sharp observation Suji. As mentioned earlie, I will not dwell on rAga disuccions. Briefly, SrIrAga is the 22nd asampUrNa mELa. Its scale is

SR2M1PN2S* | S*NPD2NPMRG2RS ||

The "PDNPM" prayOga should appear ONLY ONCE in any kRti. It can occur anywhere although it tends to appear towards the end. tyAgarAja has not used the dhaiavata at all in any of his kRtis. It is quite possible that the dhaivata swara was introduced in the remote past to confer mELa status as otherwise it would not have a full complement of swaras. Note however that the dhaivata has been in use in SrIrAga from before venkaTamakhi`s time. Given the mangaLa nature of the rAga which is considered very auspicious, it is only natural for this rAga to become the mELa. As is well known, it is a ghana rAga.

Suji, does the mInAkShi gIte you learnt have dhaivata prayOga in it?

srinidhi · Post by **srinidhi** » 28 Apr 2006, 07:48

MD's kriti "Sri varalakshmi" has the prase PDNPM in the anupallavai- "keshave hrit khelinyaye"

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 28 Apr 2006, 08:03

[Suji, does the mInAkShi gIte you learnt have dhaivata prayOga in it?[/quote]

DRS,
I lost my notes upto swarajatis

and I don't remember

!
I am not sure if my teacher's version had it, but according to one book I have (Dr S Bhagyalakshmi) it does not have and the Avarohana is given without it.
I always associated shri ragam with the the phrase PDNPM which blends so well at the end.
I was listening to MSS vandE vAsudEvam on my commute back home and PDNPM indeed comes in the chittswaram. I couldn't hear that phrase elsewhere in the sahityam.

I checked Shri raga varnam and it occurs in anupallavi and LAST swaram

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 28 Apr 2006, 08:29

One question on sahitya..
are you addressing only ladies when you say dA srI...?
If yes why?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 08:35

One question on sahitya..
are you addressing only ladies when you say dA srI...?
If yes why?

Just a manner of address thats all. No special significance.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 09:30

PDNPM occurs at the end of the navarAgamAlikA varNaM!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 09:34

DRS

You mean

sahadharmacarI mama
chAyaivAnugatA sadA

(note mama has no sex attached!)

I don't buy that
saha na chAyA iva anugatA iti sahana
sA dIpEva purO gacchati
(she does not follow you like a shadow!
she leads you on like a lamp)

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 09:43

The first picture is the standard Rama with LakShmaNa ans sItA with hanumAn at his feet. Appropriate for the invocation verse in SrI. The second one is the breaking of the bow. Is this from any special source? LakShmaNa is seated and vishvAmitra is also there. Is sItA in the picture too?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 28 Apr 2006, 09:50

PDNPM occurs at the end of the navarAgamAlikA varNaM!

Thanks for pointing this out. I have been thinking so hard that i did learn somewhere PDNPMRGRS,

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 09:56

OK! Here is the delectable SrIkhaND part. Thanks for the notation!
http://rapidshare.de/files/19106749/ShriKhand.mp3.html

I am looking forward to Suji's and Kiran's too!
What happened to any Vocalist(s)

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 28 Apr 2006, 10:02

cml,
you beat me! This must be using the software! did you set the metroneme.?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 28 Apr 2006, 10:04

The "PDNPM" prayOga should appear ONLY ONCE in any kRti. It can occur anywhere although it tends to appear towards the end.

Thanks DRS, I absolutely had no clue about the 'ONLY ONCE' rule. Is this specified thus somewhere or a convention and consensus has come about over time?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 10:10

Suji
Yes indeed! TaaLam using the bell was merged!
I have already posted the midified file!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 28 Apr 2006, 12:43

Nicely done CML.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 16:19

The "PDNPM" prayOga should appear ONLY ONCE in any kRti. It can occur anywhere although it tends to appear towards the end.
Thanks DRS, I absolutely had no clue about the 'ONLY ONCE' rule. Is this specified thus somewhere or a convention and consensus has come about over time?

The convention is clearly stated in the SSP. Look under SrIrAga

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 16:35

The second one is the breaking of the bow. Is this from any special source? LakShmaNa is seated and vishvAmitra is also there. Is sItA in the picture too?

I downloaed it from the net- "As is where is". Although there are a lot of maidens standing I dont know is sItA is amongst them as they are all standing.

Your MIDI conversion sounds very nice. The rAga and the bells together made me feel I was in a temple. The tALa slips in some places. Is that a failing of MIDI? Also, you have changed the sthAyi from mandra to madhya in one place. Was that deliberate?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 16:36

mInAkShi kAMAkShi gIte does not have dhaivata as also another gIte "sArasAkShi" I have been taught.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 28 Apr 2006, 16:42

DRS wrote:

The "PDNPM" prayOga should appear ONLY ONCE in any kRti

Why should that prayoga be used once in every krithi. Any particular reason?

BTW if I were to do manodharma for a krithi in sri raaga without PDN prayoga(Thyagraja krithis), then can I use the daivatha or is it better not to?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 20:30

SSP as translated and quoted by Hema Ramanathan:

" The R G R S and P D N P observed in the descent are vital prayogas lending great charm to the raga. Of these two phrases, the latter should not occur more than once in compositions or in free music, according to the ancients"

hence in compositions or kalpana (free music) PDNP should be used only once if we stick to the classical rules!

Further there are several references stating

'asya rAgasya alpaH dhaivataH...' indicating very sparing use of the dhaivatam. Perhaps the reason Thyagaraja chose to avoid it completely.

As DRS atates SrI raga had the status of a meLa rag and hence dhaivata was retained just to give credibility.

DRS
Are there other phrases involving dhaivata that adds charm to this raga?

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 28 Apr 2006, 20:36

CML

Thank you for that lovely clarification...

Would be good if DRS gives some nice Lec dem on Sir raaga explaining the intricasies of the raaga...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 20:41

DRS
Are there other phrases involving dhaivata that adds charm to this raga?

No. "PDNPM" is the only phrase. As it occurs only once, there is no scope for any other phrase.

Kiran- SrIrAGa is a straightforward rAga. Intricacies not seen as in some othe rrAgas.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 20:42

DRS

The problem of WM is the need for tempo information and the softwares do not recognize our CM gatis. The speedingup may be entirely my fault since I was interpreting the swaras using your singing as the standard and I may have slipped. I do hope the rendering will be useful for one to sing along and especially to learn the notes (shruti) properly. If I had my voice of 20years ago I would have been the first to render this ragamalika. In fact I will try but more than that I want our folks to attempt and post so that you can give critical comments.
MUSIC IS FOR SINGING AND NOT FOR READING

I just love the whole ragamalika and fervently hope that it is discovered by the serious CM performers who can then 'boast' that they have added 'sankEti' to their linguistic repertoire!

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 28 Apr 2006, 21:00

DRS/CML
One of these days I will certainly post my rendition of one of your krithis. Spring makes me quite asthmatic and doesnt allow me to sing properly. So once it subsides away, I will keep my word...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 28 Apr 2006, 21:29

D If I had my voice of 20years ago I would have been the first to render this ragamalika. In fact I will try but more than that I want our folks to attempt and post so that you can give critical comments.
MUSIC IS FOR SINGING AND NOT FOR READING

Well Said! Look forward to hear you trying a hand!

Spring makes me quite asthmatic and doesnt allow me to sing properly.

Sorry to hear that

So once it subsides away, I will keep my word...

You had better

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Apr 2006, 22:07

'jeera water' does miracle to your throat while singing! In fact SSI discovered it during his stay at Trivandrum. Don't use hot coffee or lozenges which will destroy your voice (though SSI used to drink 'piping hot' (you can't even touch the vessal!).

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 28 Apr 2006, 23:23

For those who can read telugu script, here's the 1st Khanda.

There might be some errors in the way I write.. I learnt telugu for short period.
http://rapidshare.de/files/19151875/rAmAyaNA.tif.html

I tried in Tamil but miserably failed...

It is for sheer beauty of Indian script I uploaded. I hope it is OK DRS.

sumram99 · Post by **sumram99** » 28 Apr 2006, 23:34

i too drink piping hot coffee though not while performing. I will stop that from hereon, and drink coffee which is not that hot!! can't give up coffee though!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 28 Apr 2006, 23:38

>can't give up coffee though!

Hear, hear!! Life's simple little pleasures... not yet turned into a villain by the medical community

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Apr 2006, 00:45

piping hot coffee has been associated with esophageal cancer (still officially not proven!). However SSI did die of old age only

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 01:42

For those who can read telugu script, here's the 1st Khanda. --
It is for sheer beauty of Indian script I uploaded. I hope it is OK DRS.

Fine job suji. You have a neat hand. Had everybody known how to read kannaDa, I would have simply scanned the script in Sahana`s beautiful writing. For others ahe has not written yet, I could have done using Nudi software. Very beautiful script(AcArya vinoba Bhava called kannaDa script the "Queen of all scripts"

) Only kannaDa and telugu-knowers will be able to read it. So I stuck to Engilsh althought it is ceratinly not my favourite.

Suji- Some parts of your script are not very dark. Just checking- have you written suLAdi or suLADi? It looked like the latter which is incorrect

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Apr 2006, 02:18

[quote=""drshrikaanth
Suji- Some parts of your script are not very dark. Just checking- have you written suLAdi or suLADi? It lokke dlike the latter which is incorrect[/quote"]

The ink was running out...

I just posted the first draft which I then copy into my notebook neatly over lines.
You are right , it should have been suLAdi..
Google for the site "Amdhra BhArati" and you will find T's kriti in telugu script...easier to read than in English
Thanks to my parents who moved to hyd. I had the good fortune of learning telugu, and combination of tamil and telugu made me understand Kannada while in blore.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 02:35

Suji
You are a dedicated student. I am happy. Just reading through your script again- 2 corrections. My name is Shrikaanth K. Murthy. Many people miss that "K"- dont know why.
The avarOhaNa should be SNPDNPMRGRS. You have missed R and written PMG,RS. gAndhAra is not dIrgha in SrirAga.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Apr 2006, 02:48

oops..noted the corrections..
DRS
I hope that your compositions will reach a lot more people...BEST WISHES.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 02:54

Moving to 3rd khaNDa in vasanta- ayOdhyA kANDa. Any questions about previous khaNDas- please feel free to ask.

ayOdhyA kANDa
rAga- vasanta; (caturaSra jAti) rUpaka tALa

pitanappaNa- fathers command; tappAdhuDi- so as not to let it slip/ become false;
vesanu- sorrow/distress; paDAde- without feeling;
naDandavu~n- He who walked/followed/behaved;
satiya- wife; lakShmaNanayu- lakShmaNa also;
tande sangu- with him/ in his company;
aLacu^- taking along; aDavi- forest; sandavu~n- He who went;
miti mIrina- boundless;
rUpa kAnti- beauty and splendour;/charisma/charm;
meraya- to shine well; guhanpaDe- to guha; vandavu~n- Him Who came;
Satu alaca- who pleade/called repeatedly(hundreds of times( Ayiram tAn azhaittAlum)
bharatande- bharata`s; aLuva- tears/sorrow; santayicu- pacifying/calming/wiping away;
kerapa- foorwear; tandavu~n- him who gave.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 02:57

ciTTeswara

S , | M , G M || D , | N N D D ||
M D | N G , M || D M || G M G R ||
S N# D# N# | S M G M- D M D N || S* G* R* S* | , N- D M , G R S ||

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 29 Apr 2006, 03:28

Suji
Your telugu script is quite. My dad was from Andhra Pradesh. So I can read telugu.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Apr 2006, 10:34

A gift for DRS and Sahana

http://rapidshare.de/files/19177007/DRS ... 1.mp3.html

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 29 Apr 2006, 11:03

balE balE...The internet collaboration has begun in earnest.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 15:58

Thats sounds COOL suji. You have played well.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 29 Apr 2006, 17:00

Suji quite good.....

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Apr 2006, 21:30

Someone go ahead and post the running meaning. Dont wait for me to prompt each time.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 29 Apr 2006, 22:16

On father's command, He went down to the forest with Sita and lakshmana and blessed Guha. He was pleaded by Bharatha who recieved his foot wear...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Apr 2006, 22:50

Suji
That was great! Now you can add accompanist to your solo! You should have used a lower shruti at times since it seems you are accompanying Sahana rather than DRS. Also if possible post your solo as a separate track and I will try to MIDIfy that. Now VK has the right idea for our internet collaboration. Now VK has to dust off his bamboo and entertain us

We are not in a hurry at all!

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Apr 2006, 22:58

Thank you all for listening!

DRS it is your master piece!!

VK! the ball is rolling to your court! Blow the wind and keep it rolling

Thanks Kiran, add your voice too. I am glad you can read telugu. It might be easier for you to sing sanketi in this script.

CML you may add bells. Ill try to put a solo soon.
Anyone rythm?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Apr 2006, 23:03

Suji
Now you can add accompanist to your solo! You should have used a lower shruti at times since it seems you are accompanying Sahana rather than !

Got you

will try to follow than lead!!

Good suggestion on using lower string at higher octave!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 30 Apr 2006, 01:35

On father's command, He went down to the forest with Sita and lakshmana and blessed Guha. He was pleaded by Bharatha who recieved his foot wear...

kiran, your gist is factually correct but is not conveying what I have written. It is somewhat more colourful than that.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 30 Apr 2006, 03:54

ayOdhyA kANDa
rAga- vasanta; (caturaSra jAti) rUpaka tALa

pitanappaNa tappAdhuDi | vesanu paDAde naDandavu~n ||
satiya lakShmaNanayu tande | sangu aLacaDavi sandavu~n ||
miti mIrina rUpakAnti | meraya guhanpaDe vandavu~n ||
Satu alaca bharatandaLuva | santayicu kerapa tandavu~n ||

pithAvin ANai thappAkAmal, viShamap paDAmal nadanthavan!
Sati lakShmaNan thannuDaya sa^NgatthODu azhaiththu aDavi senRavan|
maTTu mIRina rUpa kAnti minna (meraya?) guhaniDam vandavan|
Sadam (hundred) muRai azhaiththa bharathanuDaya azhukai shanti cheithu cheruppai tandavan||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 30 Apr 2006, 04:01

Great CML! Now give it in english please for the benefit of all.