Thyagaraja (Krithis)

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 17 Nov 2023, 13:38

bhavAhi nilakanthi – the tyAgarAjas ardhanAri mudra for the pravrddha Srimati of Sritapastirtha from the 392nd name of lalitA sahasranAma

There is no escaping the truth.
The nAda-sampradAya always exposes apa-Sruti and dishonesty.

One must either repudiate their contempt for the vAggeyakAras ideas OR repudiate the vAggeyakAras ideas/kritis/music.

The 5th tirumurai of the tEvAram describes the ardhanAri at tiruvAvatturai = Sritapastirtha (lAlgudi) in several stanzas. The ardhanAri aspect is also noted in idols/sculptures etc at this kSEtra.

The tyAgarAja identifies the Sritapastirtha dEvi as lalitA Sri pravrddha Srimati in multiple kritis to her.

The 392nd name of lalitA is Srikantha-ardha Saririni.

In the kriti "mahita pravrddha" (fittingly in rAga kAmbhOji, she who consumes the poison of kAma etc)
the unique name appears..bhavAhi nilakanthi

bhava ahi are the “ahi = serpents = poisons of samsAra = bhava.

The nilakanthi is the dEvi whose throat turns blue upon swallowing these poisons.

But this is exactly the Sivas icon…= nilakantha.

Noticeably the 392nd name of lalitA = Srikantha-ardha-Saririni combines this very same nilakantha and the nilakanthi as the ardhanAri

And OBVIOUSLY the tyAgarAja notices this too !!

There is no disputing the fact that “bhavAhi nilakanthi” for the lalitA pravrddha Srimati is the mudra for the ardhanAri at Sritapastirtha given unambiguously by the tyAgarAja.

Just as he gives the mudra to the dharmasamvardhani of tiruvaiyAru “SambarAri vairi ardha Saririni”

What does this mean for the deceitful and dishonest ?

Simple..

Either
repudiate contempt for the vAggeyakAras ideas (such as the ardhanAri or boat “stuff”)
OR
repudiate the vAggeyakAras ideas/kritis/music…stop the fake piety

There is no escaping the truth…

The nAda-sampradAya ALWAYS exposes apa-Sruti and dishonesty.

mahita pravrddha – rAga kAmbOji

CR vaidyanAthan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJ2ufD6iJo

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 17 Nov 2023, 16:03

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No. There is absolutely no ardhanari moola or urchava vigraham, at Lalgudi.
The only such vigraham is at Thirucchengodu.
It is a figurative concept , extolling the Devi. implying that Siva is deriving his glory from Devi. Perhaps it is a reflection of transition from matriarchal to patriarchal society . Even today, mother goddess is the primary deity of common people all iver India.
And, there is no such concept in vaishnava samprsdhaayam.
Enough of this .
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Thyaagaraajaa was a smartha brahmin and so had no difficulty in praying to siva/parvathi, ganesa , subramanya , though he was predominantly, predisposed to RAamaa worship due to his parental influences as well as the cultural ambience in his place.
Still, out of 660 kruthis, atleast 600 are about Raamaa ., his ishta deivam.
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RSR · Post by **RSR** » 17 Nov 2023, 16:17

This list of 29 kruthis in todi by thyaagaraaja swami will help in checking the relevance of soorya in the context of each kruthi.
It can be sèen that the unique worshiping bhaavam perneates each kruthi. That is the reason for the choice.
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LIST FROM Sangeethapriya site

1
Aragimpave
2
brndAvana-lOla
3
dAchukOvalena
Alathur-Brothers , DKP ,
4
dASharathe
MSS
5
dorakunAyani
Prahlaada bhakti vijayam
6
Emani-mAtAditivo
7
Emi-chesitenEmi
DKP
8
endu-dAginAdO
Alathur-Brothers
9
enduku-dayarAdu
10
evaru-teliyaga
Divyanaama kirtana / Nagapattinam kshetra krithi
11
gatinIvani
Lalgudi kshetra krithi
12
hariyanuvAriki
Divyanaama kirtana
13
jEsinadella
MLV
14
kadatEra-rAdA
15
kaddAnu-vAriki
16
karuNa-jUdavammA Tiruvaiyyaru kshetra kriti
17
koluvamaregadA
18
kOti-nadulu
19
munnu-rAvana
Alathur-Brothers , DKP , ARI
20
nI-dayarAvalE tOdi
21
ninnuvinA
22
nI-vantidaivamu
23
proddu-poyyeni
24
rAju-vedala
Srirangam kshetra krithi
25
rE-mAnasa-chintaya Divyanaama kirtana
26
sadA-bhajimpuvE
27
tappi-bratiki
28
vAridhi-nIku
Prahlaada bhakti vijayam DKP ,
29
vedalenu

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30
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nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 17 Nov 2023, 17:02

“janaka sutA kalita vAma bhAgam” in the mahArAja’s madhyamAvati kriti “dhyAyAmi Sri raghurAmam”

"unique worshiping bhaavam" !!...what an insipid tOdi descriptor...expected from those who have zero understanding of words or ideas.

LAME !

The tOdi kritis of the tyAgarAja (like all the other kritis) deserve more careful attention and understanding of the ideas than this lame approach.

The posts on tOdi already show the depth of the tyAgarAjas deliberation in his choice of words and ideas.

Regarding the ardhanAri

Some ardhanAri references that elude the ignorant..

The lakSmi sahasranAma gives the name “sripati-ardhAnga nandini”..

The mahArAja’s kriti “dhyAyAmi Sri raghurAmam” defines the ardhanAri form “janaka sutA kalita vAma bhAgam”

indicating the sitA dEvi joined (kalita) as the left half of the lord…And there is no mistaking his usage “vAma bhAga” for left half/portion.

By all accounts the mahArAja is a padmanAbha devotee considerably more devout than these fakes .

The vAggeyakAras do not allow narrow-minded thinking to limit their imagination.
Their kritis are made by individuals, absolutely no sectarian nonsense is involved.
They worship ALL deities uniformly , whether in deccan or in kASi or guruvAyur or ANYWHERE else.
The kritis are NOT for those with unfortunate hangups.

dhyAyAmi Sri raghurAmam – rAga madhyamAvati

PSN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5UHm1g47Mk

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 17 Nov 2023, 18:44

This innovative method of selecting a word in the kriti that can be related to the raga name, directly or even indirectly, need not be restricted to the select Vaggeyakaras. It can be applied to the kritis of others also. Hope someone tries that.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 17 Nov 2023, 19:19

dhyAyAmi Sri raghurAmam – rAga madhyamAvati
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This thread is for Thyaagaraja kruthis.
Only.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 17 Nov 2023, 20:59

D.K. Pattammal —

Dachukovalena

https://youtu.be/uYQFXsoKLYg?si=mAfjUDbVFmeuz6lX

O Son of King daSaratha!

Should you hide Your compassion?
Should you hide Your compassion by looking at me scornfully in the midst of onlookers?

When You kiss Your wife out of love, considering it to be an appropriate moment, if sItA tells about me, should You still hide Your compassion?
When You show compassion seeing bharata prostrating at Your Feet moved by love, if he tells a lot about me that I am Your devotee, should You still hide Your compassion?
When You praise the skill of lakshmaNa for his timely service, if he tells about this tyAgarAja, should You still hide Your compassion?
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RSR · Post by **RSR** » 17 Nov 2023, 21:10

பணியுமாம் என்றும் பெருமை சிறுமை
அணியுமாம் தன்னை வியந்து.......

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 18 Nov 2023, 01:50

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 6. Emi jEsitEnEmi – the putrakAmESti putrOtsava of the raghukula/solar dynasty

The essence of the kriti “Emi jEsitEnEmi” lies in the grace of rAma.
But the grace of rAma does not happen without the birth of rAma.
And at once the tyAgarAjas reference to “putrOtsava” in this kriti becomes clear !
savamu jEsitE nEmi kalimini putrOtsavamu galigitE nEmi

The ONLY putrOtsava that delivers grace is the “putrakamESti” commissioned by daSaratha (vAlmiki rAmAyana bAla kAnda sarga 15) for the birth of rAma !

As the kriti enumerates without this birth and without this grace, nothing is possible.

Indeed the “putrakAmESti yagna” sarga is an important aspect of the vAlmiki rAmAyana…it introduces rAvana and it emphasizes the need for the next icon of the raghu-kula = SOLAR dynasty .

iStim tE aham kariSyAmi putriyAm putra kAranAtnAt 1-15

And fittingly the tyAgarAja says…without this raghukula icon, ALL IS LOST = Emi jEsitEnEmi

The choice of rAga tOdi with this putrOtsava icon for the surya-kula deity should be obvious to most ..…except a few of course.

ps.. For the idea=challenged… All the tyagarAjas rAma kritis invoke rAma who is of the raghukula, but only this tOdi kriti invokes the “putrOtsava”, identifying it UNIQUELY with the putra & kula of the Solar dynasty..SOLAR as in surya = tOdaha.

Emi jEsitEnemi – rAga tOdi

nAgaratna S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XiOGkGSF2s

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Nov 2023, 08:03

It is rare also to find full length recordings of NCV. But here's an absolutely remarkable tODi.

SrinathK
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N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM

https://youtu.be/o1ZzjTmx7tI

- Emi jEsitE nEmi,

Thyagaraja Swamigal

If you've only heard the short plate recordings, you would, like me, be in for quite a surprise. In detailed manodharma also, NCV was peerless

Gist
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Whatever one might accomplish in this World, what difference does it make if he does not have the grace of Lord SrI rAma?

Having become slaves to desire, delusion etc., those who do not know the commandment of SrI rAma, whatever they might accomplish in this World, what difference does it make?

Of what avail -
whether one performs daily or sacrificial oblations or
whether one is blessed with son for inheriting wealth or
whether one adopts another’s son in this World or

whether one builds (multi) storeyed house or
whether, in there, he lights up with a pair of lanterns or
whether one knows to flatter women or

whether one attains comforts of this World or
whether one provides jewellery to his wife or
whether one knows amorous sports or

whether one rules a kingdom or
whether one becomes worthy of worship among a lot of people or
whether one gives sumptuous feast with abundant flow of ghee or

whether one becomes a preceptor or
whether one’s body appears splendid to look at or
whether one initiates others in sacred syllables?

Those who do not have the grace of sacred SrI rAma -
who causes auspiciousness,
the peerless One,
the Lotus Eyed,
who is worshipful,
praised by this tyAgarAja -

whatever they might accomplish in this World, what difference does it make?

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This kruthi brings out the core teaching of Sathguru.
Only contorted clowns, can bring in
Non existent reference to Soorya in this kruthi..for buttressing todaha stuff.
The fact is no scholar has claimed why the raaga is named TODI.
some musicologist has mentioned that it is of north-indian origin,

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 18 Nov 2023, 14:38

tODi
tOdaha

These two words appear frequently in this thread. Can someone give these two words in Sanskrit font and also their meaning. Reference to any Sanskrit dictionary would be of great help.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Nov 2023, 15:54

Sri.PB,
I find the following site very informative.
https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/toda

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 18 Nov 2023, 16:46

The surya/tOdaha mudra in ALL 8 of the Dikshitars tOdi kritis

In the footsteps of nAdajyOti Mutthuswamy Dikshitar...

This post will also be made on the Mutthuswamy Dikshitar thread.

The Dikshitar offers all the major deities the tOdi rAga.

Every one of the kritis carries the surya mudra (for the tOdi deriving from the Sun emblem)
The sUCita rAga mudra for tOdi is also shown in blue (in 2 of the kritis)

1. kamalAmbikE ASrita – the word “aruna” appears twice… aruna is either surya or his charioteer
2. dAkShAyaNi abhayAmbikE - prakAshini , (sun or sunshine) ..also note tEjasE
3. pAlayamAm bRhadISvari prakAshini (at the tanjAvUr Solar kSEtra)
4. mahAgaNapatim vandE kapilam, ahantAdirahitam
5. SrI subrahmanyO mAm - Satakoti bhAskara SobhAkara
6. vEdAranyESvarAya namastE - tatva bOdhitAya, sUrya candrAgni
7. SrI krSnam bhaja - kanakamaya cElam
8. rAmaCandrAya namastE kanaka mani

Notes : kanaka is surya as golden or golden-faced - per brhat samhita of varAhamihira, the classical text for Hindu astronomers and astrologers, including the Dikshitar (see "Sukra bhagavantam" paraj kriti).
In "rAmaCandrAya namastE" indirect reference to the Solar = raghukula clan is given twice first as rAma-Candra (who is the raghukula jalanidhi sOma) and next as scion of daSaratha = daSaratha kumArAya

Of course the fact that there are 8 tOdi rAga kritis might have something to do with the fact that tOdi is the 8th mEla…or that the Sun rules over the aStadika, the eight cardinal directions

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Nov 2023, 19:12

Dasarathe-

MS Subbulakshmi

https://youtu.be/8Z4O88Lfgdw?si=gInJXUSmdmX9Zt_o

Gist

O dASarathI! O Lord with a name that sanctifies!

O Excellent of connoisseurs of music who –
to the fulfillment of my desire, made me shine (even) in distant lands!

O Lord worshipped by the very hands of this tyAgarAja, who -
realising that those who are excellent in poesy, bereft of devotion, would not understand the emotional state,
having born in this kali yuga, taught (to the World) compositions (OR chanting of names) singing of which would confer both Worldly enjoyments and also emancipation!

Is Your debt redeemable by me?

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 19 Nov 2023, 01:37

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 7. dASarathe ni rnamu – the son of daSaratha of the raghu-kula

With the very first word of this tOdi kriti, the tyAgarAja announces the Solar dynasty.

Why ?

Because introducing rAma as dASarathE = son of daSaratha is exactly the lineage of the raghu-kula.

No further mudra is needed….but the tyAgarAja is aware of the mudhamatE (numb-skulls) of the future.

He also introduces the word “prakASa”, a synonym for surya..as
dUra dESamulanu prakASimpa
where the icon of the Solar dynasty shines also on distant lands..

The puny poorly-thought-out nonsense that rAgas are randomly chosen by the nAdayOgis is thoroughly dismantled.

The tOdi rAga kritis unquestionably place the Solar mudra via the tOdaha = surya meaning in ALL the vAggeyakAras kritis.

The Dikshitar confirms this iconography associated with the tOdi rAga with his similar placement of solar mudras as shown in earlier post.

Of course this fact is NOT going to dawn on the illiterate….(dawn = sunrise in keeping with the solar theme)

No…..tOdi kritis (like ALL the other kritis) are not for those who have zero understanding of words and also have contempt for the ideas.

dASarathE ni rnamu – rAga tOdi

KVN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv1213QoUR4

gAyatri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVcY1pNl6E

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 19 Nov 2023, 10:51

50 %. Typical blabber.
Silly argument.
By this token, ALL the kruthis of Thyaagaraaja on Raamaa can be related to soorya. idiotic reasoning.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 19 Nov 2023, 12:25

Smt.N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
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VINTAGE CLASSIC.
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kaddanu vAriki-tODi

https://youtu.be/b6ye1ITHzLY?si=P2n3Hdj7DOMBQgsO

Gist

O Lord well-praised by this tyAgarAja!

Can the words of wise, who declared that ‘You surely exist for those who believe in Your existence’, become untrue now?
Then, why is it that You would not come near me, in whom there exists such a desire to behold Your charming face shining with mirror like cheeks?

You are such a merciful Lord who nourishes those devotees who –
by foregoing sleep,
attuned nicely to tambura,
with a pure mind and
along with fine svara -
chant Your names without wavering from their vow.

Can the words of wise, who declared that ‘You surely exist for those who believe in Your existence’, become untrue now?

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https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... 4%E0%AE%9F

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 19 Nov 2023, 23:19

the tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 8. karuna judavamma and the surya tirtha of tiruvaiyAru

1. k-aruna judavamma
With the very first word , the tyAgarAja embeds the Solar icon = aruna , symbolic of tOdaha = the tOdi rAga.

Of course that is not the only mudra for todaha/surya..

2. k-aruna and the surya tirtha (name of the temple tank at tiruvaiyAru)
Bathing in the surya tirtha confers the blessing and karuna of the dharmasamvardhani.

3. anEka jagat-AdhAri – tha tyAgarAja describes dharma-samvardhani as prop of all Worlds ...which is exactly a descriptor of surya

Why ?

the rig vEda 10.85.1 gives surya as supporter of the universe
सत्येनोत्तभिता भूमिः सूर्येणोत्तभिता द्यौः
satyEnOttabhitA bhUmi sUryEnOttabhitA dyau
truth is supported by the earth… dyau is supported by surya

Summary

"karuna judavamma" carries multiple mudras for surya, confirming the origin of the rAga tOdi choice from the word todaha = surya.

In "karuna judavamma" the tyAgarAja refers to the ardhanAri at tiruvaiyAr (as SambarAri vairiki ardhaSaririni).

Therefore , like all the other kritis , it is not intended for anyone with contempt for the vAggeyakAras ideas/words.

Please find other avenues.

karuna judavamma – rAga tOdi

ambikApuram S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNjBivwspM

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 20 Nov 2023, 08:38

Koluvamaregada Kodandapani

- Todi-

Thyagaraja-

DK Pattamal"

https://youtu.be/vWv6fmSft-o?si=K0iY-lW23J3FW2Xn

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What a wonderful kruthi and what a divine rendering!
Immortal.

Gist

Listen, O Folks!

I am indeed blessed with service of Lord kodaNDa pANi –
Lord SrI hari,
the Mighty One,
the pleasant faced,
who causes prosperity,
who is wish crystal - cintAmaNi to those dependent on Him!

I am indeed blessed with service of Lord kodaNDa pANi which is rare to attain even for brahmA, sarasvati, rukmiNi, pArvatI and even for sItA and lakshmaNa!

I am indeed blessed with rendering service of -
shining early in the morning (before dawn),
holding tambura, and
singing lovingly glories of Lord and,

offering milk to the satiation of thirst of Lord kOdaNDa pANi!

I am indeed blessed with service of -
lovingly bathing the Lord in rose water at midnight,
feeding Him with sanctified food, and
while offering sweet and fragrant betel leaves,

unforgettingly worshipping Lord kOdaNDa pANi!

I am indeed blessed with service wherein -
great devotees joining together,
singing in ghana and naya rAgas,
nicely performing lamp service, then
singing lullaby as He quickly lies down to sleep on the flower bed, and subsequently,

this tyAgarAja wakes up the Lord
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Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 20 Nov 2023, 16:09

The very idea of connecting tODI तोडी and tOda तोद is far-fetched. There is no relevance.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 20 Nov 2023, 16:25

Toda (तोद).—[tud bhāve ghañ]

1) Pain, anguish, torture; ततस्तत्कृततोदोऽपि ततो गोदोऽधिकोऽभवत् (tatastatkṛtatodo'pi tato godo'dhiko'bhavat) Śiva. B.14.89.

2) The sun.
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This is what is being by the half-pundit
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Does not know the difference between
Kaadu (forest) and kaadhu(ear) in thamizh.
THE NAME OF THE RÀGAM IS THODI and not THODHI.
No hopes.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 20 Nov 2023, 16:52

the tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 9. kOluvamarE – the suryOdaya (morning) mudra in every Carana

Pratyaksham Bala wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 16:09 The very idea of connecting tODI तोडी and tOda तोद is far-fetched. There is no relevance.

The vAggeyakAras COMPLETELY DISAGREE …and so does the mEla naming scheme…the name tOdi and the formal name hanumat-tOdi are unmistakeably linked to the tOdaha = Sun.

hanumat incorporates the legend of AnjanEya reaching for the Sun

No authority is greater than the Dikshitar or the tyAgarAja.

Even the name kOdanda-pAni has a relationship to the dhanur mAsa, related to a Sun transition.

In kOluvamarE, the suryOdaya (morning for the clueless) appears in EVERY Carana

P: kOluvamarE gada kOdandapAni
A: naluvaku balukula celiyaku rukminiki lalitaku sItaku lakSmanuni karudaina
C1 vEkuva jAmuna (sunrise) velayucu tambura jEkoni gunamula jeluvonda bAdaCu
SrIkarunikA shrta cintAmanuniki nAkalid ra pAlAragimpanu jEsE
C2 vinavayya sari prodduvEla (proddu = Sun) nAthuniki Canuvuna pann ta snAnamu gAvinci
ghanuniki divya bhOjanamunu betti kammani vida mosangucu maravaka sEvincEDu
C3 bhAgavatalu gUdi bAguga ghananaya rAgamulacE dIpArAdhana monarinci
vEgamE SrI hari virulapai pavvalinci jOkOtti tyAgarAju sumukhuni lEpEdu (Waking)

kOluvamarE – rAga tOdi

v haridAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-rZYHA-npk

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 20 Nov 2023, 17:30

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Let us consider this tODI / tOda relationship a little further.

Rama is related to Sun (tOda)! So all the kritis on Rama must have been assigned the raga tODI by the Vaggeyakaras!

May be, subsequently others changed the raga of most of the kritis from tODI to different ragas. And may be, they changed the kritis also, to suit the changed ragas!

Hope someone will take up this, and record the results in a new thread!

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 20 Nov 2023, 18:28

Vintage 78 rpm
Young voice of
Smt.DKPattammaaL
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https://youtu.be/ooS5rApsosA?si=CKYpiQql0TRTWK-O
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Vaaridhi Neeku
- Thodi -
D. K. Pattammal"
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From Prahlaadha bakthi vijayam

Several of the opera’s songs have made it to the concert platform as individual pieces.
Sri Ganapathini (Saurashtram), Vasudevayani (Kalyani),
Vandanamu Raghunandana (Sahana), Naradamuni (Pantuvarali),
Ennaga Manasukurani (Nilambari),
Eti Janmamidi (Varali),
Enati Nomu (Bhairavi),
Dayarani (Mohanam),
Nannu Vidachi (Ritigaula),
Emani Vegintune (Huseni) and
Ra Ra Ma Intidaka (Asaveri) are some of them.
Even the ubiquitous concert closer — Ni Nama Rupamulaku (better known as Pavamana, in Saurashtram) is from the ‘Prahlada Bhakti Vijayamu.’
Among the prose sections is an extensive and tongue-twisting choornika, which describes Vishnu in all his glory and is probably inspired by Vedanta Desika’s Raghuvira Gadyam

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..sriram.v

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Gist

O Lord of Ocean! O Lord of Waters!

I offer my salutations to You.

Please listen.
Please tell me the path (adhered by You) due to which Lord hari always abides in Your heart Lotus.

Please protect me by having mercy on me;
please speak to the Lord a word about me;
please save my life, adopting any method.

please tell the path adhering to which the Lord would never be separated from me;

I shall not worry about all the troubles created by demons;
I shall not beg for Worldly pleasures, wealth and prosperity;
I shall not let go Lord hari from my mind;

please, therefore, tell me the path adhering which I may behold the Lord to the satiation of my eyes.

Throughout my life, I have been troubled by demons;
I am eleven (or five or six) years of age;
but, the Lord – friend of tyAgarAja – doesn’t seem to come;

please tell me any method, adhering to which, the Lord could be found.

I offer my salutations to You.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 20 Nov 2023, 21:27

Pratyaksham Bala wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:30 .
Rama is related to Sun (tOda)! So all the kritis on Rama must have been assigned the raga tODI by the Vaggeyakaras!

May be, subsequently others changed the raga of most of the kritis from tODI to different ragas. And may be, they changed the kritis also, to suit the changed ragas!

This is not a well thought out statement..

Why ?

The statement made ignores all the other rAgas (beyond tOdi) and their mudras (overt and covert) that give insight into the reason for the choices.

rAma has attributes beyond surya, surya has attributes beyond rAma, and surya is also related to other deities

However there is also an intersection of rAma and surya attributes.

The rAma kritis of the tyAgarAja (and the one by the Dikshitar) illustrate this INTERSECTION…. as is being shown irrefutably by the tOdi rAga kritis of the vAggeyakAras.

The tOdi kritis to the other deities also carry the surya mudra, since each of them is ALSO connected to surya in different ways as envisioned by the vAggeyakAras (the SatakOti bhAskara for the tiruCendUr subramanya, or the brhannAyaki dEvi or the kamalAmbA etc etc etc) as is also shown irrefutably.

But when rAma is Sri-ranjani ...as in adored by Sri ( = bhUmi in bhUvini dAsudanE or = sitA in mArubalka or sari EvvarE), he is given the Sri-ranjani rAga.

When he is the icon of dharma, he is given the rAga dharmavati by the Dikshitar..in rAmaCandrasya dAsOham.

When rAmas sacrifice (for his fathers honor) is beyond description (vACAmagOCaramE) it is the hold (vaSam)of kaikEyi on dASaratha that results in the kaikA-vaSi rAga for that kriti.

Etc. etc. etc. as can be seen now in hundreds of kritis.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 20 Nov 2023, 21:49

Contrived and arduous.
Anyway, Best Wishes.

God bless!

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 20 Nov 2023, 22:50

the tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 10. vAridhi niku – prahlAda saved by hari

In his choice of rAga tOdi for “vAridhi niku” , the tyAgarAja “illuminates” the relation between viSnu and surya/tOdaha.

Indeed the word "hari” itself is a synonym for BOTH viSnu and of surya.

And… naturally …the word "hari" appears in the tOdi kriti “vAridhi niku”.

In the NEVER HEARD 2nd Carana invariably forgotten by vidwAns/viduSis, prahlAda says he never forgets hari
“nA manasuna hari ni nE mAnanu”

The rAga choices of the vAggeyakAras are NOT random.
Their words and choices give the clues about their motivations and pujA.

There is nothing contrived about this sAdhana or the worship.
And there is nothing arduous about understanding their ideas, if their words are understood.
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vAridhi niku – rAga tOdi

m ravikumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTUK3Oq_9Xc

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 21 Nov 2023, 05:26

the tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 11. brndAvana lOla – where krSna is “patanga timira” - the sun that destroys darkness

The kriti to krSna “brndAvana lOla” carries the unmistakeable surya reference …

How ?

The tyAgarAja gives the descriptor “patanga timira”.

“patanga timira” is the sun that destroys darkness..

How appropriate for this thread...

A clueless person might ask..

Why does the tyAgarAja give krSna this solar motif rAga/kriti when he is considered of the lunar dynasty = the yadukula..

The same clueless person (or another one like him) might therefore say…...the kriti is spurious..

But the clueless do not realize, ..krSna has other important defining attributes…beyond being of “yadukula”.

And these attributes are unmistakeably symbolic of surya = Sun.

The sudarSana Cakra reference made by the tyAgarAja in “brndAvana lOla” (dhrta rathAnga) identifies, for example, krSnas role in arjunas defeat of jayadrata, (by overwhelming the Sun)

And as the icon of the wisdom of the gitA in his role as arjunas advisor, he is unquestionably the light that dispels ALL darkness…

Summary

There is zero ability (by the sane) to dispute that the rAga tOdi choice by the tyAgarAja for these aspects of krSna is BOTH deliberate and relevant.

swara technicians, kutChEri vidwAns/viduSis and their fans are certainly free to reduce all words to mere sounds.

But.. ..Denial of the words/ideas/choices of the vAggeyakAras , whether through sheer ignorance or other nefarious reasons, is a disgrace to their sAdhana.

It is a disgrace to the pujA which is the very reason the kritis exist.

brndAvana lOla – rAga tOdi

rk murty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKkz5vjlghk

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 21 Nov 2023, 07:08

Brundhhavana lola theme is about krushna's mesmerizing flute music. It is clearly about the boy krishna. The ladies perform ' dhrushti removal' on the boy. This is not the usual raasa leela stuff. No vulgarity.
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Even then, it is a very very rare kruthi about krushna as gopi friend.
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Secondly, this kruthi was composed,
if at all,
by the Sathguru only in his 78th year at the request of kuppier his disciple at chennai.
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Krushna was their family deity and they had a small temple for venugopaala swamy.
It is quite possible that such kruthis were by krushna devitees of Sathguru.
. Even the source is doubtful.
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Whether a krufhi is spurious or not is decided by many factors.
The date of composition, the theme, the prosody and lyrics, the trustworthiness of the source.

All the 20 and more direct disciples of Sathguru had long training under him for decades. So, it is not improbable that they created kruthis with thyaagaraaja mudra.

The theme is the deciding issue.
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When all were composing about krushna especially on the raasaleela, Sathguru saw the harmful effect and created the antidote.
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A careful analysis of the number of kruthis by him on each theme and the date and place of composition will give correct picture. It is a well known fact that he deprecated the sex theme very strongly.
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Ardha means half.
Half-baked.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 21 Nov 2023, 15:48

Here is another gem from

Smt.D.K.PattammaaL

Munnu Raavana
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05-MUNNU RAVANA (TODI)-*
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https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... avana-todi

https://youtu.be/I6He9riU3Vs?si=0F2HX7DC6Kepg56o
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பொருள் - சுருக்கம்
இராமசந்திரா!
நன்-முனிவர்கள் வந்திக்கும் இராமசந்திரா! அரவரசன் அணையோனே!
பேரரசே! கருட வாகனனே! பரிதி குலக் கடலின் மதியே, இராகவா! கமலக்கண்ணா! சிவனால் துதிக்கப் பெற்றோனே! தியாகராசன் வந்திக்கும் இராமசந்திரா!

முன்னம், இராவணின் தொல்லையைத் தாளாது, விபீடணன் முறையிட, (அவனை) மதிப்பேனென, (உனது) குல விருதுகளைப் புகழ்ந்த சொற்களை மறந்தனையோ?
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முன்னம், வாலியின் தொல்லைகளைத் தாள இயலாது, பரிதி மைந்தன், உன்னைக் கொண்டாட, (அவனது) பரிதாபத்தினைக் கண்டு அவனது மனக் குறையினைத் தீர்த்தாய்.
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முன்னம், இரணிய கசிபுவின் தொல்லைகளைப் பொறுக்காது, 'முரனை வதைத்தோனே' யென்று அழைக்க, கனிவுடன், பிரகலாதனின் துன்பத்தினைத் தீர்த்து, சௌக்கியமளித்தாய்.

முன்னம், உனது மகிமைகளினை நான் கேட்டது தான்;
(உனது) குல விருதுகளைப் புகழ்ந்த சொற்களை மறந்தனையோ?
(என்னைப்) பேணி, எனது வேதனைகளப் போக்குவாயய்யா.
..
[Gist

O Lord SrI rAmacandra!
O Lord worshipped by great ascetics! O Lord reclining on SEsha!
O Emperor! O Lord who has garuDa as carrier! O Lord rAghava – the Moon of the ocean of Solar dynasty! O Lotus Eyed! O Lord extolled by Lord Siva! O Lord worshipped by this tyAgarAja!

Earlier, unable to bear the troubles created by his elder brother rAvaNa, when vibhIshaNa entreated You, eulogising the appellations of Your dynasty, You said that ‘I shall honour him’ (vibhIshaNa).
Earlier, unable to bear the troubles created by vAli, when sugrIva extolled You, seeing his pitiable state, You redressed his grievance.
Earlier, unable to bear the troubles created by (his father) hiraNya kaSipu, when prahlAda entreated You as “O slayer of demon mura!”, You, kindly bestowed him comfort by relieving his affliction.

I have only heard of Your earlier glories.
Have You forgotten Your words about appellations of Your dynasty?
Please relieve my distress by protecting me too.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 21 Nov 2023, 16:24

"M S Subbulakshmi -

Munnu Ravana -

https://youtu.be/jNoHUIa7lIc?si=qtZybFCZfvdgobqk

M S Subbulakshmi -
Munnu Ravana -
Todi (1 of 2)"
Aalaap
........
Todi (2 of 2) -
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https://youtu.be/yGagmDwW0oI?si=IYjWs3NTUws2HP5g

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 21 Nov 2023, 17:59

https://translationsofsomesongsofcarnti ... rvaka.html
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1.Munu vajrabadala norvajalakanu ,
Inajundu ninu Ramachandra ,
KOniyada parithapamunu joochi vani madhi,
Kodhava deerchina Ramachandra
Charanam
1,When the Son of sun God unable to bear,
The troubles caused by the son of Indra, Oh Ramachandra,
Appealed to you , seeing his pitiable condition ,
Did you not remove all his troubles , oh Ramachandra.
...
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Compare this with the translation by Sri.V.Govindan,
O Lord SrI rAmacandra! Earlier (munu), unable (jAlakanu) to bear (Orva) the troubles (bAdhalanu) (bAdhalanOrva) created by vAli – son of indra (vajra), when sugrIva – son of sUrya (inaja) (inajuNDu) extolled (koniyADa) You (ninu),
O Lord SrI rAmacandra, who seeing (jUci) his pitiable state (paritApamunu), redressed (tIrcina) his (vAni) grievance (madi kodava) (literally mental grievance)!
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And read the initial passage where prr refers to Sri.VG. approvingly.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 21 Nov 2023, 21:26

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 12. munnu rAvana bAdha - the bAdha of the tOdi

tOdi derives from the word tOdaha, the Sun that traverses the sky riding a horse-driven chariot.

The (7) horse chariot (saptASwara ratha) is central to the idea of tOdaha as the rAga mudra in “munnu rAvana” because the Sun instigates the horses, by whipping them.

This instigation is the classical torment..

And just like in the kriti “endu dAgi nAdo” already shown, the tyAgarAja gives the “torment” mudra in the pallavi and 3 Caranams.

And he mentions the kula of rAma, the solar dynasty in the ravi-kula, in the anupallavi and the 4th Carana.

munnu rAvana bAdha nOrvaka vibhISanudu morabettagA rAmaCandra
anupallavi
mannintu nanuCu kula birudulanu pogadina mArala maraCitivO SrI rAmaCandra
caraNam 1
munu vraja bAdhala nOrva jAlakanu inajundu ninu rAmaCandra
koniyAda paritApamuna jUCi vAni madikodava dIrCina rAmaCandra
caraNam 2
munu hEmakaSipu bAdhala sahimpaga lEka murahari yana rAmaCandra
CanuvutO prahlAdu santApa munu dIrci saukhya mosagina rAmaCandra
caraNam 3
munnu nI mahima nE vinnadigAni sanmuni vandya SrI rAmaCandra
pannagAdhipa Sayana pAlinCi nA vEtalu pariharincavE rAmaCandra
caraNam 4
rAjarAja virAjavAha ravi kulajAbdhi rAja rAghava rAmaCandra
rAjIva nEtra bhavastuta tyAgarAja vandita rAmaCandra

None of the insipid translations of last 100 years, (parroted foolishly) has any clue of the relationship between the rAga word name meaning and its effect on the kritis words/ideas.

The ignorance comes from illiteracy, laziness and lack of imagination and leads to corruption.

munnu rAvana – rAga tOdi

CEmbai v b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujY6KpxTkqs

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 22 Nov 2023, 07:48

Koti Nadulu

https://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.c ... -todi.html

Gist

O My Mind!

Listen to the appeal of this tyAgarAja who exultingly extols Lord SrI
raghu nAtha with great love.

There being thousands of rivers at the tip of bow (of Lord rAma),
funny that you are roaming about for bath in holy rivers!

For those great persons who behold, every now and then, directly, the
charming dark-blue form (of Lord rAma), there are thousands of rivers at the tip of His bow.

River ganga took birth at the feet of the Lord.
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River kAvEri attained glory beholding Lord ranga nAtha.
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Therefore, funny that you are roaming about for bath in holy rivers!
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Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar

https://youtu.be/7dZIe7AzLFM?si=sE34UWLiVuwXaNIn

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 22 Nov 2023, 14:06

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 13. kOtinadulu dhanuSkOti - the raghu-nAtha at the tip of the dhanuS = mArgaSirSa

The reference raghu-nAthA in kOtinadulu dhanuSkOti is NOT the only mudra of raghu = sun = tOdaha.

The majestic vision of the tyAgarAja sees and teaches the meaning of the celestial bow = dhanuS.

Read on to rejoice (or weep if you are a criminal)

dhanuS = bow, kOti = tip
dhanuS (as dhanur-mAsa) is the insiginia of the Sagittarius constellation = mArga-SirSa.
SirSa = tip
dhanuS-kOti = mArga-SirSa
viSnu (who is also the Sun and krSna and rAma) resides at the tip of the celestial bow..

Who else says that ? Not these insipid translators or their foolish parrots..

No less an authority than the sacred gitA gives

AdityAnAm aham viSnur jyotiSam ravir anSuman gitA 10.21
rAmah SAStra-bhritam aham gitA 10.31
mAsAnAm mArga SirSOham gitA 10.35

where krSna says

of the AdityAs I am viSnu,
of the luminous I am the Sun
of the weapon wielders I am rAma
of the months I am mArga-SirSa

Verily does viSnu as the Sun = raghu reside at the tip of the bow = dhanuSkOti = mArga-SirSa

kOtinAdulu dhanuS=kOti lO nundaga Etiki tirigEdavE
Etiki tirigEdavE - no need to roam aimlessly and meaninglessly…

viSnu represents the destination of the ONLY meaningful tirtha of the nAdayOgi…
He is the final tip of the mArga = path of the tirtha-yAtrA.

For "kOti-nadulu dhanuS-kOti lo nundaga" , rAga tOdi (deriving from tOdaha/surya etc) is the PROPER rAga that allows this idea to come to light.

Anyone who says the rAga choices are random or coincidental does NOT understand the words or the ideas or the "music".

Only a fool or worse will continue to dilute and deny the sAdhana and pujA of the vAggeyakAras.

kOti nadulu dhanuS kOti lo nundaga – rAga tOdi

SrirAm parthasArathi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyoKGDpXgHk

priya sisters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC2EkpgvQeA

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 22 Nov 2023, 16:02

Since when, the semi-nar'i has become a staunch vaishnavite?

viSnu represents the destination of the ONLY meaningful tirtha of the nAdayOgi…
He is the final tip of the mArga = path of the tirtha-yAtrA.

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How many saivites and sakthas will agree with the quote from Gita?
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This bigoted ardha keeps on heaping abuses as if he is the only scholar here.

In the kRti ‘SrI rAma raghu rAma’ – rAga yadukula kAmbhOji, SrI tyAgarAja states ‘dharmAtma caraNambu sOka Siva cApambu tapamEmi jEsenO’ (what kind of penance did the bow of Siva perform in order to be touched by the feet of the Righteous Lord!). Accordingly, it is clear that when the bow was strung by SrI rAma, the tip of the bow was pressed by the toe

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What difference does it make to a music rasika if the raagam is todi and if todi is derived from todah and there are raaga mudras here in the kruthi?
Does the 'sevidan' note the raagam elaboration?
Go to a damp and dark sewage dump and READ the lyrics. Ignore music, will he?
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RSR · Post by **RSR** » 22 Nov 2023, 16:51

https://youtu.be/pu7Q-fqoY1A?si=dmYAU41oAgTaCMRv

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Raju Vedale Jutamu Rare

Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar

Gist

Come, let us behold!
Lord ranga nAtha is going on procession.

Adorned with radiant, divine ornaments studded with precious stones,
riding on horse (carriage),
as all the kings perform service,

Lord ranga nAtha is going on procession.

On the bank of river kAvErI, in the holy town of SrI rangam, along the prosperous and decorated main streets,
as the Lord comes to a grand spectacle,
as celestials, beholding the service, worship Him lovingly with flowers,
as this tyAgarAja sings sentimentally,

the grand Lord ranga nAtha is going on procession.
Come, let us behold!

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 22 Nov 2023, 17:00

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 14. nivanti daivamu – subramanya as SrSti Sakti – the supradipa shining like the SatakOti bhAskara

The vAggeyakAras are individuals, who pujA transcends foolish sectarian nonsense peddled by ignorant perverts.

In the tyAgarAjas kriti to the brahmapuri subramanya the unmistakeable words describe this deity as endowed by “SrSti Sakti”

SrSti is creation

The rig vEda 1.115.1 gives the Sun as this SrSti

द्यावापृथिवी अन्तरिक्षं सूर्य आत्मा जगतस्तस्थुषश्च
dhyAvAprthvi antarikSa surya AtmA jagatas tastutas Ca
the sun, fills the heaven, the earth, and the space between and is the creator of all that moves and all that is immoveable

subramanya is the Sun that enlightens the pranava tatva

The 1st Carana (never to be heard in any kutChEri ) gives the reason for the subramanya and his navavira (= nava nandana) challenging brahma on the source of the pranava.

pranavArthamu tAnanu vidhini kOpaginci saraguna nava vIru landoka

It is this same shining subramanya as the “pranavatatvOpadESa kartrE” that is extolled as “SatakOti bhAskara” by the Dikshitar.

Indeed the OTHER kriti by the tyAgarAja at brahmapuri to this subramanya “varaSikhi vAhana” confirms the sun-light idea.

Why ?

Because that kriti is in rAga su-pradipa, also a synonym for the light.

There can be zero question that rAga tOdi (deriving from the word tOdaha/surya) is the deliberate rAga choice for the subramanya at brahmapuri in “nivanti daivamu”.

It is the nature of the nAda-sampradAya to expose (AND DESTROY) apa-Sruti , deceit, dishonesty and untruth.

satyam Eva jayatE

nivanti daivamu – rAga tOdi

rk murty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEO3z1CWluI

mallAdi bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kwlxMt79KQ

varaSikhi vAhana – rAga supradipa

alamElu mani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfRL0bfyha4

sikkil g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv6S3hGAv_A

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 22 Nov 2023, 17:20

In the srirangam kruthi..there is HORSE.
Horse driven.
So todah. So will exclaim the ardha.
Eureka..
..

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 22 Nov 2023, 22:51

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 15. rAju vEdalE – the Srirangam prthvi bhUta kriti in “dESya” tOdi

vinASa kAlE , viprita buddhi !
When the locomotive of truth runs into the jackal of untruth, only one outcome is possible.
The jackals “time” is up, its “gati” is stopped , its “days” are over.
Those with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, should tread carefully.

"rAju vEDalE" is the Srirangam prthvi bhUta kriti of the tyAgarAjas Srirangam panCabhUta pujA (ignored for 200 years, like so much else about the vAggeyakAras)

"rAju vEdalE" carries the “bhU” mudra for the prthvi bhUta. (embedded in the sord “divya-bhU-Sanamu"…(the other 4 kritis carry the other 4 bhUta mudras )

See post dated May 10, 2022
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopi ... 84#p376184

The surya/tOdaha mudra for the tOdi rAga

The Srirangam horse procession (at Cittirai) is symbolic of hari/surya drawn across the sky by the horses of the Suns own chariot.

But why is the kriti “rAju vEdalE” in dESya tOdi ? ..and not just tOdi.

It is the horse reference (disparaged by the ignorant and clueless) which confirms the dESya tOdi…..(along with the surya/tOdaha mudra)

Why ?

Because the tyAgarAja uses the specific word “tEji” when he describes the vehicles

"kastUri ranga tEji-nekki" referring to the horse-vAhana of the Srirangam procession.

tEji derives from tEzi – the swift.

The horse which moves swiftly is known as tEzi in the dESya language (urdu) which is the origin for “tEji” in the kriti.

There is absolutely no question the kriti is in rAga dESya tOdi, and that the mudras for both the words dESya and tOdi are given deliberately, along with the prthvi bhuta mudra.

A dESya rAga for the prthvi bhUta is quite logical, since the word dESya, itself indicates the word dESa = land = bhUmi.

The rAghavan textbook records the kriti “rAju vedale” as being in dESya tOdi (although a misguided industry has been rendering it in tOdi for almost 80 years)

The vAggeyakAras karma and pujA (including his panCa bhUta pujA at Srirangam) CANNOT be denied.

One can run but one cannot hide from Truth.

The jackal of untruth will always be crushed by the locomotive of Truth.

rAju vEdalE – rAga dESya tOdi

aruna s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NdA-I4KzU

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 23 Nov 2023, 07:59

nivanti daivamu – subramanya
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Thyaagaraja swami is not known to have visited this kshetram (Sirkaazhi?)
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The nature of the lyrics is so very unlike Sathguru. A good candidate for spurious kruthi.

nivanti daivamu – subramanya as SrSti Sakti –

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 23 Nov 2023, 12:09

The Srirangam todi kruthi raagam is different from the desiya todi raagamm
Search in the raagas sectjon for desiya todi.
ARI , remember, you deafdud, was a disciple of Ramnad Poochi iengar who himself was a disciple of Patnam Iyer .
Sathguru -> Manambuchavadi->patnam, maha vaidyanaatha sivan. Padaantharam is not changed by such traditionalists.
Think outside the textbook.
.Learn to LISTEN.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 15:48

More clueless rambling.

All those named are either kutChEri vidwAns or court musicians or swara technicians/play-back singers.

They are not sanyAsis like the tyAgarAja or the Dikshitar.
In fact these “professionals” DO NOT EVEN SING ALL the stanzas of the vAggeyakAras kritis.

dESiyA tOdi belongs to hanumat-tOdi mEla.

apa-Sruti/Untruth and dishonesty will always be exposed....it is the nature of the vAggeyakAras music.

Please save whatever remaining self-respect you have for whatever remaining time you have left.
Find other avenues.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 16:28

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 16. The dESiya-tOdi “nE pOgadakuntE” – prahlAda’s bAdha & the vajra of vidauja = indra

(bAludagu) nE pOgadakuntE – the tyAgarAja uses the last word to wrap-around and express he is merely a child that cannot compete for the lords grace, with the orher great bhaktas.

And amongst those he names is the other child = the bhakta prahlAda..

It is prahlAdas TORMENT = pain = tOdaha (deriving from the insistent pain/whipping of the Suns horses) that is key to the tOdi aspect of this rAga.

But the rAga is dESiya tOdi (not merely tOdi)…as all but the BLIND can see..

So the question is…What is the mudra for this dESiya part ?

The answer lies in understanding the legend surrounding the deity indra.

indra and his name vidauja

The padma-purAna gives in its bhUmi kAnda, Chapter 5, the arc of indras origin and destiny.

This chapter also relates the relationship with amongst others the rejuvenated prahlAda.

And it specifically names indra also as vidaujas = he whose shining vajra divides (referring to the splitting of mountains and lands = dESa).

vid – see also vidalana…ojas – shining like a diamond, the vajra-astra..

Not only does the word "vidaujas" carry the todaha idea (via the pain of splitting) it also carries the dESa motif.

Why ?

Because it is given in the bhUmi kAnda of the padma purAna…and it relates to the splitting/division of land = bhUmi = dESa

Once again the tyAgarAja is faithful to the meaning of the rAga word “dESiya tOdi”, in his kriti words/choices.

But generations of so-called “students” (and other dignitaries/vidwAs) are not faithful....they sing this kriti in varAli or Subha-pantuvarAli or some other contrived rAga with zero understanding of the words/ideas.

This is the corruption that has crept into the music and allowed knaves to spew untruthful, ignorant, sectarian and perverted drivel.

Thankfully, the nAda-sampradAya (under the auspices of the rasikas forum) has restored the vAggeyakAras musical and spiritual heritage.

nE pOgadakuntE – rAga dESiya tOdi

seeta rAjan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPRdShTs7k

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 23 Nov 2023, 19:22

dESiyA tOdi belongs to hanumat-tOdi mEla.

Aah,,! What a great discovery !
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Who told you that janya raagams of Todi are the same as Todi?
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In which book, you found the raagam of srirangam todi mentioned ss desiya todi?
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Evidently, you dont hear the rendition, or even if you hear ,are deaf to differences in the notes and sancharams!
Can your book sing ? Even if it sings by your mantra/tantra, which miracle can make you hear the tune?
What do you know about the glorious tradition of Manambuchavadi?
Of maha vaidyanatha sivan?
They were all true Naadha upaasakaas. Not stinking rodents . fake nado.,
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This case is not even ardha but ardhaplus.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 23 Nov 2023, 19:29

M M Dandapani Desikar
-MC-CSM-
Jesinadella-
Ragam- Thodi + Thani avarthanam"
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https://youtu.be/ua60bHtM_3E?si=BPy0MuIOea1jr8om
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Meaning:
Rama! In spite of my devotion to you, in order to torment me deliberately, you seem to have conveniently forgotten all that you have done for your devotees.

On behalf of your consort and devotee, Sita Devi, you promptly befriended and entered into a pact with Sugriva.
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To honor your word to Vibhishana, you directed Lakshmana to crown him sovereign of Lanka in anticipation.
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To honor Anjaneya for executing the onerous task of carrying your message to Sita Devi and bring back hers, you conferred on him the celestial status of Brahma.
....

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 19:49

The dementia is quite advanced.

It is the NAME of the rAga that is driving the word and ideas.

dESiya tOdi is distinct from tOdi. (In both name and scale)

And in the tyAgarAjas kritis unique mudras are given for that name.

There are a couple more kritis in this rAga..(dESIya tOdi) which will be illustrated shortly. (Just as the remaining dozen or so in rAga tOdi will ALSO be shown)

Get a clue.

Better yet..just listen to the sounds...since you cannot handle the ideas.

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 23:15

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 17. proddu pOyEnu, prodduna lECi – the wake up call and the surya/tOdaha mudra

The tyAgarAja opens the kriti with the words “proddu pOyEnu” indicating time is passing, the natural symbol of the passage of the sun (as it is drawn across the sky in its own horse chariot).

A clear basis for the tOdi rAga choice is seen via the meaing of the todaha (now shown irrefutably for so many kritis 17..another dozen or so to go..each one of these coming up)

Ans since the tyAgarAja senses the coming generations of corrupt and ignorant, he re-iterates this Wake up call.

In the first Carana he repeats the word as “proddu lECi”, wake up in the morning (only a fool would think this has nothing to do with sunrise or surya.

Naturally the first Carana is NEVER heard from the so-called “disciples” and “paramparAs” each preoccupied with their own kutChEris and showcasing their talents.

proddu pOyEnu – rAga tOdi

bv rAman & lakSmanan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szR3DgzHizc

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 23:30

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 18. CEsinadella - the harassment = AlayinCina by rAma

In CEsinadella, the torment/badha of the todaha is expressed as the harassment "AlayinCina" of the tyAgarAja by the lord repeatedly ignoring him..

The tOdi word name again appears via this covert mudra. Nothing can be clearer.

One can run, but one cannot hide from Truth.

Case closed.

CEsinadella– rAga tOdi

vivek sadASivam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTiTQDoKts

nAdopAsaka · Post by **nAdopAsaka** » 23 Nov 2023, 23:33

The tOdi rAga mudras in the tyAgarAjas kritis 19. rE mAnasa Cintaya - where surya is “tamO vibhA karuni”

In rE mAnasa Cintaya the tOdi mudra (deriving from tOdaha = surya) is delivered by the tyAgarAja with the words “vinata tanayArti tamO vibhA karuni”..

He who removes the torment of the “vinata suta” = “vinata tanaya” = garuda as in the sun removing darkness (tamO vibhA karuni). The legend of garuda tormented by indra is told in the mahAbhArata.

vinata is the scriptural mother of both aruna and garuda (one is the charioteer of the Sun , the other is viSnus vAhana)

If that were not enough, the tyAgarAja also adds the “rAghava” synonym.

rE mAnasa Cintaya – rAga tOdi

seeta n
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8JmT3ndjo