T.M.Krishna a brand?

rajagopal · Post by **rajagopal** » 12 May 2006, 17:54

In a recent interview for Indian Express Shri T.M.Krishna calls himself a brand!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 12 May 2006, 18:37

Rajagopal
it may be better if you could post a link to the article.

also look forward to your views on the subject.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 12 May 2006, 18:39

Rajagopal
it may be better if you could post a link to the article.

also look forward to your views on the subject.

I agree. The thread IMO is almost meaningless without the above.

rajagopal · Post by **rajagopal** » 12 May 2006, 19:05

Sorry the article is not available online. I saw it in the Arts section of last Sunday's City Express in Chennai. I found the statement very amusing and thought it might invite some discussion on how musicians want to market themselves these days.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 12 May 2006, 22:28

http://www.newindpress.com/sunday/sunda ... ts&rLink=0

sensationalized heading. Not much to it, nice interview tho.

Intelligent, focusssed and ambitious...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 12 May 2006, 23:03

Aren't we glad he was not descibed a 'firebrand'

(chuckle those who know NA slang)

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 12 May 2006, 23:51

Yes, nice and intelligent conversation. I have not listened to his singing that much, I will have to check him out.. That last sentence in that article is pretty profound: "I donÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢t agree with artistes who say that they do things because their audience wanted those things. ThatÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢s the biggest lie. Nobody wants anything from you except honesty."....

That is what I would call an MDR like attitude and good for him as long as he is respectful to the music and the audience. Another way of saying the same thing is "Have faith in the audience to catch up with you..."

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 13 May 2006, 01:17

U r right! He does consider the audience, and works hard to put on a good performance. At the same time, a little bit like his guru, he tends to get mad if the audience has a break in attention. Recently, thyagaraja aradhana concert was just spectacular...not a child moved thru-out the concert. Amazing atmosphere. That could have only come abt because he was striving to have everybody's attention during the concert.

U should listen to him..particularly when he performs with trichy sankaran and/or nagai. He represents the semmangudi bhani, the nadaci nadaci composition we were discussing in the Kharaharapriya thread, he has sung it magnificently with the same spectacular neraval. Its available as a commercial cd, for music season 2004 with palghat raghu and RKS.

rajagopal · Post by **rajagopal** » 13 May 2006, 10:49

Calling another musician a liar is not being respectful. I don't agree with that statement. Musicians have to sing what the audience want also. Doing that cannot be termed dishonesty. There is nothing wong in this attitude. If you don't want to that then it is fine also. But you cannot pass judgements on other musicians like that. It just shows complete arrogance.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 May 2006, 11:15

rajagopal, I agree that calling other artists a liar is not kosher and is rude and arrogant. But if you read what he said, there is considerable wiggle room as to what he meant. Until I read your post, I interpreted that as 'it is a lie that audience wants those things'. It is a figure of speech to call it a lie to mean 'a mistaken impression'. You can use it that way without implying those who hold that opinion are liars...... (Hope I don't come across as carrying water for TMK, I hardly know the man or his music.)

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 May 2006, 11:27

There is always class vs mass discussion that we have discussed for a long time .TMK is one musician who prefers to take a route where in he slowly and steadily coerces a traditional taste to the audience, so that class may(not will) get accepted as mass .

Look at the concertlist section in his website , seldom no repetition. But however his dropping of Varnams in the middle of concert, little excess bale and sabash always put me partially off.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 13 May 2006, 11:54

VK
Very well said .Our thoughts are mostly in our mother tongue , but when it gets translated to English , we may have different meanings.The English word Brand may just mean a minimum Tamil BAni or a maximum sensationalized raymond suiting's mark of a man.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 13 May 2006, 17:18

It is a pity that TMK did not pursue a career in management first , spend a couple of years in the market place where brands are bandied about and then take up his profession as a singer .He could have avoided some of the obvious mistakes.

Brands are usually used in the context of competition , differentiation , consistency in values to the Customer , but TMK seems to be saying that his goals are just the opposite.
But then these days Classical performers are so market savvy , one cannot find fault with them for borrowing these terms loosely.

And Yes , Brand , in a metaphorical sense also can stand for a central organizing thought

A TVS , until say 1982 , was a weak imitation of a brand called MM Iyer ..A central organizing thought swirling around Vathapis , The khambojis (Oh I could write down the exact way he would sing , in advance-each and every sangathi if you wish ) the viruttams ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬"

We, who have heard him right through the 80s and 90s , have seen him evolving into something more than that .
Something more beautiful .

A Truly evolved musician can be as complex as a mountain peak , with each mode of approach revealing a different aspect .To put it in simple business terms of feeding data to a listener who gets reinforced and comes for more ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬" this is pretty substandard stuff.

And like most reviews and articles in the papers these days , its case has not been helped by a starry eyed fan!

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 15 May 2006, 20:10

"A TVS , until say 1982 , was a weak imitation of a brand called MM Iyer ..A central organizing thought swirling around Vathapis , The khambojis (Oh I could write down the exact way he would sing , in advance-each and every sangathi if you wish ) the viruttams ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬"

We, who have heard him right through the 80s and 90s , have seen him evolving into something more than that .
Something more beautiful . "

Outstanding example. But I think I only found anything special in his music over a decade after the year you've mentioned. His stuff seemed pretty ordinary + repeated until after, say...1996?

inconsequential · Post by **inconsequential** » 24 May 2006, 17:53

going by his definition of 'brand', isn't every artiste a brand? one fails to get the point. however, should acknolwedge the 'intellectual' jugglery involved. any montessori kid that succeeds in life is going to have the same feeling about his/her almamater. TMK went to KFI.

after one of the concerts here in NA recently (so, one can assume the 'brand' value has been estalished for a while) the organizer showered glorious praises on srI TMK. at the end of it all, she brought it all down by saying she heard both MDR and SSI through TMK. there goes..... sometimes, even if the artist gives what he/she wants to, the audience take only what they can and want.

regards
incon

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 May 2006, 19:42

incon!

What took you so long!
Missed you all along
Now don't say so long
Stay and prolong
Here you belong!

inconsequential · Post by **inconsequential** » 24 May 2006, 20:21

cmlsir! greetings

regards
incon

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 May 2006, 21:10

I wonder if what TMK meant by 'brand' was the same as 'bANI' or 'gharAnA'...now, I would translate that to 'style' but 'brand' is acceptable - maybe what he is trying to tell us is that his style of singing is not an imitation of some other established artist, but unique to himslef - and so, there might be parts of his repertoire that sound like MDR, and parts like SSI (who, in my limitted listening experience, are poles apart in the feasts they 'served' before us), and other parts like no other. So, the lady in NA maynot have expressed the truth, and not just her take on the concert...
Ravi

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 26 May 2006, 17:47

incon!

What took you so long!
Missed you all along
Now don't say so long
Stay and prolong
Here you belong!

CML: You seem to be an all-rounder. Nice alliterations - possibly you can start a greeting card business as well. Good method anyway of welcoming a friend.
8)

Kaumaaram

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 26 May 2006, 18:10

incon is a valuable friend from sangeetham (which we miss dearly :wink

) wherein I have logged donkey's years. I hope to see the whole gang here in due course!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jun 2006, 10:30

Greetings to fellow rasikas, I have found you all at last!

Asu kavi, anaiththum aRinthavar--Cmlover, the animated spring cuckoo VK, Meena the meritorious, the doctor duo, coolkarni (whose sweetly reminiscing side is new to me), inconsequential and all...
This dinosaur was clueless and was lost until now.
After having said all this, I ask: remember me?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2006, 11:05

Arasi.... of course we remember you.. What took you so long?

Welcome to the forum..

meena · Post by **meena** » 22 Jun 2006, 11:17

Hi arasi

welcome aboard

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 22 Jun 2006, 11:48

welcome arasi.

i will try my best to be sweet

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Jun 2006, 14:52

Welcome back Arasi.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 22 Jun 2006, 22:06

a royal welcome arasi!
I left a number of messages for you at sangeetham but perhaps the final days there were hectic! Now I miss sub over here; but he knows for sure

"kAthtiruntha pOthinilum kAlamellAm kAththirunthEn
nEththiruntha pOthinilum ninaivuDanE nEththirunthEn
pAththiruntha pOthinilum pakirnthukoLa pAththirunthEn
rasikar palarirunthum arasikare^NkenRirunthEn
vinthayilum vinthayithu vinaitheera vanthuviTTay
kOlakkuyiluminiyarasiDam kuDipukumE"

and now for the benefit of those who don't know Tamil

kAthtiruntha pOthinilum = kARRu iruntha pOthinilum = Though there was wind (metaphorically good atmosphere)
kAlamellAm kAththirunthEn = I was waiting for (you) a long time
nEththiruntha pOthinilum = nERRu iruntha pOthinilum = Even yesterday (meaning even very recently)
ninaivuDanE = with thoughts (on you)
nEththirunthEn= nERRu (vowing (nErchchai=vow))= I was holding a vigil (for you)
pAththiruntha pOthinilum = pA (kavithai/poem/music)+ thiruntha pOthinilum = though there were lots of poems to correct/discuss/work on
pakirnthu koLa = to share (the beauty of those poems)
pAththirunthEn = I was waiting/looking out
rasikar palarirunthum = even though there were a number of rasikas
arasikare^NkenRirunthEn = arasikar ( a word of respect for 'arasi'/ also denotes non-rasika which is the source of the wonderment that follows)+ e^Nku (where) + enRirunthEn(I was seeking/looking out)
vinthayilum vinthayithu = that is indeed a source of wonderment (inexplicable!)
vinaitheera vanthuviTTay = you have come (now) to redeem that defect/problem
kOlakkuyiluminiyarasiDam = kOlakkuyilum (subtle reference to VK (who was the companion from sangeetham days)/ the sweet cuckoo)+ini (now)+ arasiDam (again reference to 'arasi'/also reference to the pipal tree where the cuckoo takes refuge)
kuDipukumE = take refuge /seek shelter/ will interact

(will render it as a viruththam after a while!)

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 22 Jun 2006, 23:51

Arasi: Good to have you back!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Jun 2006, 07:40

and thanks to each and every one of you for the'royal' welcome (thanks to cmlover, his pAttu vallamai--poetic excellence--has elevated this peasant to royalty). Happy to be back among my pals in music appreciation. Lakshmanji, I have to explore the forum in my own dinosauric way. I happened to see the TMK thread first, found some fellow alumni of sangeetham.com. and logged on immediately. Thank you!
Wish mayilERum perumAn (sub), rasikapriya, Nick and Vijay were here too. Or, are they already there? No, I did not get any messages, cmlover. I was clueless...

TMK's interview: Did the interviewer record the conversation or was it jottings on a note pad? Even if TMK specifically used the word 'brand', what exactly did he mean by it? His observations have to be respected; yet, we are interested more in the quality of his performance than in the content of his interview. Yes, he does offer variety in his performances. VK, you have to give him a try...

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 22 Sep 2006, 11:29

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/09/22/stor ... 640200.htm