Janyas of Kharaharapriya

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vs_manjunath
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Post by vs_manjunath »

Janyas of Kharaharapriya

Parallel to Mela raga discussions, I thought we can have discussions on the Janyas of some popular mela ragas. Kharaharapriya has plenty of popular janya ragas. This thread is meant for discussing these janyas.

Abhogi; Abheri; Aandholika; Kannada Gowla; Kaanada; Kalaanidhi; Kaapi; Kumudapriya; Chittaranjani; Jayanthasena; Jayamanohari; Durbar; Devagandhari; Devamanohari; Devakriya; DevAmruthavarshini; Nayaki; Naadavarangini; Pushpalathika; Brindavana Saranga; Manjari; Manirangu; Madhyamavathi; Manohari; Maruva Dhanyasi; Madhava Manohari; Mukhari; Rudrapriya; Siddha Sena; Sri; Sriranjani; Shudda Dhanyasi; Shuddha Bangala; Saramathi; Huseni; Phala Manjari

To start with, rasikas are requested to add left out popular janyas of Kharaharapriya.
Some of these( abhogi, kaapi, huseni etc) janyas are already discussed, request Admin to give links . Remaining janyas can be taken up one by one for detailed discussions.
Welcome rasikas to start discussions.

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Post by rajeshnat »

manjunath,
Mela rAgas discussion is needed as we most of the times find a pattern when we move from one to another . To put in one thread topic there is also a pain for later retrieval , so I had suggested to round off on chakras . That may or may not happen (srkris has to decide).

While we can find some pattern even in janyas of any melakartha ,we run a risk of putting so much of data in one thread topic, it may lose the effectiveness of easier retrieval later and to search that janya again is a pain . New or infrequent users will find it very difficult to get into this topic . Also how do you moderate when one janya has to stop and the other has to start. When a user adds a lovely thread of a janya that has died a year back , his posting will have no frame of reference

So I suggest you to open one thread of janya which is not there in melakartha #22 and take it from there .

Moderators
Choice is yours.
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Post by Lakshman »

Kharaharapriya has plenty of popular janya ragas
I don't know if you realized that mELA 22 has over 500 janya rAgAs. Of course not all are popular.

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Post by srkris »

Dont all melas have an equal number of janyas - from the mathematical point of view?

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Post by ramakriya »

But the mathematical point of view gives only an upper limit to the possibilities. Also, it does not consider vakra rAgas.So IMO, that does not come to picture.

It would be interesting to know the number of janyas listed in the mELas like 8,15,20,22,28,29;

mELa 22 could be among the top 3;

-Ramakriya

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Post by Lakshman »

Here is the count of janya rAgAs:

tODi-195, mAyAmALavagauLa-471, naTabhairavi-407, kharaharapriyA-510, harikAmbhOji-510, shankarAbharaNa-479

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Post by jayaram »

and mecha-kalyani?

I would have expected S'bharanam to lead the pack.

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Post by ramakriya »

I expect kalyANi to be far behind 20/22/28/29

-Ramakriya

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Post by Lakshman »

kalyANi has only 207 janya rAgAs.

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Post by jayaram »

what would also be of interest is how many of the janya ragas under each mela are actually rendered. I bet it would be about 30% of the complete list for each, maximum.
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Post by vs_manjunath »

Abheri :

s g m p n s | s n d p m g r s ||

A very pleasing raga.
The most popularly heard songs in abheri are : nagumOmu ( Thyagaraja) ; veenAbheri ( Dikshitar); bhajare re mAnasa ( Mysore Vasudevachar).

Request Lakshman to provide full list of songs in Abheri

Abheri- an observation by Navneet Venkatesan ( a msg from rasikapriya-dot-net )

Dikshitar has composed "Veenabheri" in the raga Abheri. therein, he has included a gem of a Chittaswaram which clearly shows that Abheri does NOT have the Chatussruti dha (a pure & correct rendition of this song/raga has been given by Smt M.S.S.
& Dr. S.Ramanathan) . however, in the composition "Panchaashatpeetha Rupini", Dikshitar has clearly shown the Chatussruti dha in the descent, and has named the raga as Devagandharam, a janyam of Kharaharapriya. This raga was further given the name "Karnataka Devagandhari" by Mysore Vasudevachariar when he composed his monumental "Bhajare Re Maanasa". now y
wud the great Dikshitar compose 2 completely different compositions, if both
Abheri & Devagandharam/ Karnataka Devagandhari were the same raga?? another
defence: Smt R.Vedavalli, respected musician/musicologi st, student of Vidwan Mudikondan Venkatarama Iyer himself, has said in one of her lec-dems that even Tyagaraja Swami's
"Nagumomu Ganaleni" was originally composed in Abheri, with Suddha dha,
NOT Chatussruti dha, as sung today. she even sang it in this manner and showed it to all. just trying to derive the name Abheri from Anandabhairavi, by some anagramming technique is not a good enough defence, when the great Vaggeyakaras themselves have stated to the contrary thru their compositions. as for the Bhashanga nature of either of these ragas, as far as i have
learnt, both Abheri & Devagandharam r Upanga, there r no Bhashanga prayogas,
unless u seek to merge the 2!! ;) plz dont misinterpret me, i do not
wish to insult u or ur Sampradaya, i just wish to clarify what i have observed. i am
not trying to impose my observations on u.
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Post by Lakshman »

Songs in AbhEri.

Adi deva ananta shayana adarimpa samayamidera- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Adiyenellella munnagalavanda (tvc)-Chapu-Manikkavachakar
Alandu alandu va va-T/Adi-Ganapati Sachidananda
Allavai tozha tozha sukhame avanin arulinri-Adi-Tamizhannaidasan
Angingenadapadi engum prakashamai-Adi-R.Tyagarajan
Anirvachaniyamagu mahadanandanni andinche- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Anjalim karomi-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Anjanananandanam-Adi-Mannargudi Sambashiva Iyer
Are garuda gamana satya bhashana (lng) Triputa-Govindacharya
Aruran padiya tyagaraja tiruvaruril vazhum-Adi-Anayampatti Adishesha Iyer
Atani yeduta- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ayati balati dayala-Adi-V.Subramaniam
Balasubramanyam bhajeham-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Barenna hridaya vilasini-Rupaka-Bangalore S.Mukund
Bhajare re manasa shri raghuviram bhakti mukti-C/Triputa-Mysore Vasudevachar
Bharata mata-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Bheri nada-Rupaka-Bangalore S.Mukund
Bhushanake bhushana idu bhushana seshagiri-Adi-Shripadaraya
Chittagottu-Ata-Vyasaraya
Devadi devulaku- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
E rupamulo (p)- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ekambara natha kachchi ekambara natha ini en-Adi-Periasami Tooran
Ekamreshvara manollasini raka shashivadane-Adi-V.Ramaratnam
En inda maunamo ennidam ayyane-Chapu-Vasanta Sharavanan
Ennai enakku teriya sholvai tillai pon-Rupaka-Muttu Tandavar
Eno enai marandadeno-Adi-Periasami Tooran
Enu baradayo-Adi-Purandaradasa
Enu madidarenu-Chapu-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Evarichchirira hariyanu peru namarupa-Adi-Annur S.Krishnamurti
Ganamruta varshana- -Bangalore S.Mukund
Garuda gamana (lng)-Triputa-Govindacharya
Govindamiha gopika nandakandam sanandam (tar)-K/Chapu-Narayana Tirtha
Guhane ni mayil eri va-Adi Tirupati R.A.Subramanian
Gunavayitenna bhavaroga shri krishna vemba vaidya-Adi-Purandaradasa
Guru raghavendra jnana chandra-Adi-Bellary Sheshagiriachar
Guruvarul ennum kani kidaittadu-Rupaka-K.M.Soundaryavalli
Hejje nodona-Adi-Vadirajasvami
Irabeku sajjanarige-Adi-Gopalavithaladasa
Ishvari rajeshvari shankari-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Jagalara janaka rama-Adi-Ashok R.Madhav
Jayati krishnaveni-Adi-V.Subramaniam
Kamala lochana-Adi-Pallavur Mani Iyer
Kamala nabha- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Kanamale kadal konden enakke raman varitten-Rupaka-T.R.Vaidishvaran
Kanda vandarul taralagada gati veredu-Adi-Papanasham Shivan
Kandarpa koti lavanyam indu vadanam-Adi-Kollegal R.Subramaniam
Koti surya samana tejorashivai shobhinchu- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Kumudini-Adi-?
Maname kanamum maravade jagadishan-Adi-Papanasham Shivan
Manitagunavara-Adi-Pallavur Mani Iyer
Nagumomu ganaleni najali telisi nannu brovagarada-Adi-Tyagaraja
Nanda gopala-Adi-Uttukadu Venkatasubbier
Nanjundeshvara mam pahi shankara-Adi-T.Choudiah
Nathan gurunathan-Adi-T.N.Bala
Ni dasuniki jnana samskaramulu koliginchi- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ni liladbhuta- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ni nagumomu- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ni nama shravana matrana bhayaroga shastru- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Nikante nanu brochuvarevarura radha manohara- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Niku sari satiye-Adi-R.K.Suryanarayana
Nilladavatrai nilaiyina enrunarum- -Tiruvalluvar (MVS)
Ninnu vina mari galada gati lokamulo niranjani-Rupaka-Shyama Shastri
Niratamu- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Nive gatiyani-Adi-A.V.Krishnamachar
Noduvade kannu keluvade kivi paduvade vandana-Adi-Purandaradasa
O anuchu- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Pahi madhava- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Pahi mam manjunatha-Adi-Tulasivanam
Paluku tenelatalli pavvalinchenu kaliki tanamula-K/Chapu-Annamacharya
Papatraya harana nike kanti chupu namida-Adi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Parthan teraiyotti-Chapu-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Partu konde irundal (p)-Adi-K.N.Dandayudapani Pillai
Perarul ni tarave tiru men kavalai taraka-Adi-Kovai Subri
Pittan enralum avan peyan enralum chittamellam-Adi-Andavan Pichchai
Pritiya perasi-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Proddu poyina ravademo na gopi (j)-M/Eka-Lalita Naville
Purandara dasa varam-Adi-Mannargudi Sambashiva Iyer
Raja rajeshvari-Chapu-Madurai R.Muralidharan
Raja rajeshvari ambike-Jhampa-T.N.Bala
Sama satileni sainatha-Adi-K.Ramaraj
Samarasa bhavana bharata samrajya svikrta-Adi-Mayuram Vishvanatha Shastri
Samhara karane panchapandava (lkg)-Triputa-Venkatamakhi
Sarva bhutamulaku- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Sarva devadi devaptam sarvada vava-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar
Sarvam vishnumayam sarvatra shri hari- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Satatamu ranjillu vadavu nivera atma rupambuna- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Shendil vazhum kanda un namam-C/Eka-Pankajavalli Narayanan
Shiva shakti jaya kali jayalakshmi-Adi-Shuddhananda Bharati
Shri saundaryavalli-Rupaka-R.K.Suryanarayana
Shveta pankajavasa vilasini sharadindu suvasa mano-Adi-Minakshisuta
Sundari mohini-Chapu-Bangalore S.Mukund
Tedi vandennudan adi magizhginran-Adi-Shuddhananda Bharati
Tirumal azhagan varuvan enre tavame nanum irunden tozhi-Eka-Nila Ramamurti
Udana dhim dhim (t)-Adi-R.N.Doresvami
Uddhata shiromani kavudapakkula (lkg)-Triputa-Venkatamakhi
Unnaiye potrum ennai iniyenum uyyave-Adi-Kovai Subri
Vara rukmini satyabhama kanta- -Bangalore S.Mukund
Varai illamal arulai vari vazhangiduvan-K/Chapu-Kovai Subri
Varuvan varuvan ayyan urugiyurugi namam-Adi-Ambujam Krishna
Vedanta deshikam venkatanatham sadguru-Adi-S.Aravamudachariar
Venkatagiri vasa sarvesha-Adi-K.Ramaraj
Venu nadapriya-Adi-Vadirajasvami
VinA venuvadyadi vinodini modini rakshamam-Adi-Muttusvami Dikshitar
Yadum aghi ninra kali engum ni ninrai-Adi-Subramania Bharati

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Post by rajeshnat »

Lakshman Sir
Since you gave an interesting document on Tidbits of rAga , where you gave the count of janyas in each melakartha , I wanted to ask you..

Can you fill the names of the janya ragas of all melakartha in karnatik.com in the url http://www.karnatik.com/janyalist.shtml . Looks only you have the awareness for all of us to rejoice.

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Post by Lakshman »

rajeshnat wrote:
Tidbits of rAga , where you gave the count of janyas in each melakartha
The article refered to listed the rAgAs according to the # of compositions available to me.
I have forwarded your idea to the webmaster of karnatik.com
Hopefully the complete list would be made available in the near future.

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Post by Lakshman »

rajeshnat:
Your wish has been granted. Please check here:
http://www.karnatik.com/janyalist2.shtml

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Post by vs_manjunath »

The above site gives a ready reckoner for all the mela/janya ragas. Very great work and very useful for all the rasikas.
L ji, please accept my hearty congratulations.

Can rasikas u/l Nagumomu by Musiri/TKR ?

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Post by Radhakrishnan »

vs_manjunath wrote:Can rasikas u/l Nagumomu by Musiri/TKR ?
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~ramanuja ... %20PR%202/

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Post by ramakriya »

For those who may not have seen:

Sangeethapriya.org has a new upload ; A lec-dem on allied rAgas by Sri TM Krishna;

A must-hear; Wanted to share this info, since there is a detailed discussion of some kharaharapriya janya rAgas.

-Ramakriya

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Post by rbharath »

Lakshman wrote:kalyANi has only 207 janya rAgAs.
thats quite a large number i thought. :P

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Post by Nandy »

Some more songs in Andolika are :

Varnam
Mahishasura- adi by Muthaiah Bhagavathar

Kritis
Gajanano virajathe - rupakam - N.S. Ramachandran
Vyomakesam namami - triputa - muthaiah bhagavathar

(Coutesy - Ragas in Carnatic music by Dr. S. Bhagyalakshmi)

Here is Ragasudharasa in Andolika by Smt. Sudha Raghunathan :

http://www.sangeethapriya.org//Download ... haair.html

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Post by Nandy »

As per Dr.S. Bhagyalakshmi, Andolika invokes vira rasa too.

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Post by vs_manjunath »

Thanks Mr Nandy for providing some more info on Andholika.

thanjavur

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Sangeethapriya http://www.sangeethapriya.org/ (Andolika) links

Nee dayarada nirajakshi (Varnam - GNB)
by DKJ (contribution - Nandakumar)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Enanda/ ... %20DKJ.mp3

rAgasudhArasa (Thyagarajar)
by GNB
(contribution - GVR Shyam)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~gvr/Song ... -T-GNB.mp3

(contribution - Raju Asokan)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~asokan/C ... darasa.mp3

by Sudha
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... harasa.mp3

Sevikka vendum ayya (Muthuthandavar)
by MMI
(contribution - GVR Shyam)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~gvr/Chid ... ar-MMI.mp3

(contribution - KL)
http://www.sangeethamshare.org/kl/21-MM ... umAyya.mp3

by MSM (contribution - GVR Shyam)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~gvr/Chid ... thanam.mp3

by TVR (contribution - Goutam)
second song in this file,
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/tvr/part_3.mp3

RTP
by TVS (contribution - V R Badri)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/MainItem/ ... dolika.mp3

by MLV (contribution - Sridharan ; contribution - Kailash)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/MainItem/ ... ka_RTP.mp3
________________________________________________________________
SAWF (Andolika) links from
A Tribute to Tyagaraja by V. N. Muthukumar & M. V. Ramana
http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit05132002/musicarts1.asp

DKJ
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_dkj.ram

GNB & LGJ
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_gnbalapana.ram
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_lalgudi.ram
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_gnb.ram

MLV
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_mlv.ram

MMI
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_mmi.ram

(Tiruppugazh) Raghavan
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_tp.ram

Somu
http://www.sawf.org/audio/tyaga/andolika_somu.ram
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KarNATaka sangItam http://www.surasa.net/ (Andolika) links

rAgasudhArasa (Thyagarajar)
by MBK
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?bmk ... asudha1.rm
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?bmk ... asudha2.rm

by MSM
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?t27 ... gasudha.rm
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Post by thanjavur »

We have these two (duplicate) Andolika topics under Raga & Alapana forum

Raga Andholika by vs_manjunath

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1519

Andholika by siddarthcs

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=236

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Post by vs_manjunath »

thanjavur wrote:We have these two (duplicate) Andolika topics under Raga & Alapana forum

Raga Andholika by vs_manjunath

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1519

Andholika by siddarthcs

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=236
My is an old post on Andholika dt.26/11/06, and where as the post by siddharthcs is dated 22/01.

Request ADMIN to merge both these POSts under only one ANDHOLIKA.
Although this thread is on Janyas of Kahharapriya, some member had suggested " not to put all the janya ragas discussions under one thread". Accordingly, I had created a seperate thread for Andholika. It's for ADMIN to do the needful which is convenient for discussions.

It's really nice that Thanjavur has provided so many links, covering almost all availble downloads on Andholika.........I am yet to listen to most of them. In fact, these links only make the thread more interesting than discussing only theory. Finally, the thread on Andholika is getting good response. I am really happy about the proactive participation by members.

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Post by rshankar »

They have been merged....

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Post by chitrathiagarajan »

Isn't there a composition which starts as 'guruvarul...' in abhogi?

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Post by Lakshman »

There is guruvaruLum tiruvaruLum, a varNa i this rAgA, by Gowrishankar Sthapati.

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Post by chitrathiagarajan »

Is teh krithi Jagath janani in raga ratipatipriya by Ganam Krishnaiyer or by Dandapani Desikar?
The info on the cd cut by O S Arun says it is by Dandapani Desikar.

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Post by Sundara Rajan »

As far as I know, Jagat janani is Ganam Krishnaiyer's composition, popularised by a recording by MM Dandapani Desikar. Information provided in CD/Cassette covers are wrong on many occasions !

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Sundara Rajan wrote:As far as I know, Jagat janani is Ganam Krishnaiyer's composition
Yes, it is a composition of gAnam kr.shNa aiyyer. The misattribution to daNDapANi dEShikar is not surprising, considring that he employed the song in his movie entitled, "ratipatipriyA' (hence the name of the rAga the song into which it was retuned, originally in bhairavi).

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Post by chitrathiagarajan »

Thanks a lot for the information on Jagatjanani kriti.
Even AIR announces this to be Dandapani Desikar's.

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Post by vainika »

Srini just pointed out to me that sahANa is classified under asampUrNa 22 (shrI) with a gAndhAra presumably different from the ga of contemporary sahANa. http://www.ibiblio.org/guruguha/ssp_cakram1-4.pdf

I used to find the karnATaka kApi - kAnaDa relationship quite confusing. Now I'm even more confused by the sahANa - kAnaDa relationship.
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Post by vijay »

The gandharam of Sahana does strike me as something between G2 and G3....

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Lakshman wrote:There is guruvaruLum tiruvaruLum, a varNa i this rAgA, by Gowrishankar Sthapati.
Lakshman Sir: I think this is just a kIrtanam. They're no ciTTa svarAs in the renditions I've heard so far.

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kmrasika wrote:
Lakshman wrote:There is guruvaruLum tiruvaruLum, a varNa i this rAgA, by Gowrishankar Sthapati.
Lakshman Sir: I think this is just a kIrtanam. They're no ciTTa svarAs in the renditions I've heard so far.
You're right - it isn't a Varnam.
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Post by chitrathiagarajan »

kmrasika wrote:
Sundara Rajan wrote:As far as I know, Jagat janani is Ganam Krishnaiyer's composition
Yes, it is a composition of gAnam kr.shNa aiyyer. The misattribution to daNDapANi dEShikar is not surprising, considring that he employed the song in his movie entitled, "ratipatipriyA' (hence the name of the rAga the song into which it was retuned, originally in bhairavi).
You mean to say Ratipatipriya is by Dandapani Desikar?

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Hi, chithra, RATHIPATHIPATHIPRIYA is jANYA OF (20) nATAbHAIRAVI.
And ther famous Jagajananee is the kriti of Ghanam KrishnaIyer, popularided by MMDesigar.
IOn this context My I request rasikas to view and listen to my kriti HARI AMSANE HARA VAMSANE, RENDERED BY SELF AND SMT RAJI GOPALAKRISHNAN AS WELL
Ther Link ref;
www.karnatik.com/c3488.shtml
and of course get back with ur views.

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Hi Vijay, Reg:ghandharam in Sahana
Even though the scale of Sahana has ghandhara, it is only an amsa swaram. Hence it has no place for oscillation (Karvai).Nor it is a nYAsaswara and it should therefore be used just as a passsing swarsa with no allowance for elongation such as GAAAA......
Ramaraj
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Hallo Vijay and other CMLovers,
Here is a striking difference and yet a baffling similarity with our SAHANAA (cM)DWIJAVANTHI, (comtemprary HM) Ragam.
Letr me explain thus:

"RI GA MA PA MA GA MA RI GA RI SA NI DA NI RI SA"
this POPULAR PHRASING, THOUGH SEEMINGLY IDENTICALL FOR BOTH sAHANA AND DWIJAVANTHI
BUT YET THEY HAVE STRIKING DIFFERENCE
RI GA (ANTHARA) MA PA MA GA (ANTHARA) MA RI GA(SADHarana) RI SA NI DA NI RI SA - for Dwijavanthi.
here you can find boith Ghandharas used in such a way that ambigious subtlitiey is the most fascinating facxtor TO PROJECT YET ANOTHER GREAT RAGA. .
Ramraj
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Ramraj Sir, thanks for the explanations

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I have a question on Dikshithar kritis.
His compositions always have raga mudras.
But kritis like Parvatikumaram in nattaikurinji does not have or I missed them.Can someone clarify?

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Yes Chitra ji
Many a kriti of MD d do not bear the raga mudhra .Since the main focus might have beebn (in many kritis) is on a particular Deity, the deployment of Raga Mudhra woud'nt have been app;ropriately matching with the sahithya with melody In other words deployment of Raga alone is not the prime criteria of MD And more over Raga MUdhra should be befitting in it's natural sequence in a kriti by default.
In this context I feel it appropriate to draw your attention to my Kriti:'
"gamaka ezhil kamazhum nAda priye"jLink ref:www.karnatik.com/c3485.shtml
Smt Raji has rendered it so beautifully.
Attentive listening to the same will give u an idea. Please get back with your comments.
Ramaraj
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Post by chitrathiagarajan »

Ramraj Sir, I heard your ratpatipriya kriti. It is very good .
Smt Raji's recording is very bad.I heard yours.
Yet to hear nattakurinji kriti.
CT

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