I wants to learn bases of carnatic music . I am from europe
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>Are these parts thalam are some accent ?.
One may think that given all this elaborate and mathematically complete combinatorics, there would be some musical significance to laghu, dhrutham and anudhrutham.
I thought so too and in fact instintively believed so. When I asked many knowledgeable people in this forum about this, the answer is, quite shockingly for me at that time, 'not really'. Here is what I learnt.
- Mridangists do not really care too much about laghu, drutha and anudrutha etc. while playing. There is no requirement in Carnatic Music for them to provide different accents for different angAs. In North Indian music, there definitely is such a requirement, but not in carnatic music. In CM, mridangists have no obligation to indicate even the beginning of the thalam. For mridangists, the total cycle length is significant among a few other things.
- There is one major well known exception to this. That is called the arudi or padagarbam. That is usually near the mid point of the thalam and acts as the fulcrum balancing the initial half of the thala and the latter half of the thala.
- There is a pronounced stress/accent at the arudhi point.
Can someone provide a table of where the arudhi is for the 7 thala types?
For Triputa thalam, it is the first beat of the first drutha. ( for example, it is the 5th beat for chathusra jathi triputa and 6th beat for kanda jathi triputa etc. )
Like this, it will be good to have a table for the other 6 thala types.
One may think that given all this elaborate and mathematically complete combinatorics, there would be some musical significance to laghu, dhrutham and anudhrutham.
I thought so too and in fact instintively believed so. When I asked many knowledgeable people in this forum about this, the answer is, quite shockingly for me at that time, 'not really'. Here is what I learnt.
- Mridangists do not really care too much about laghu, drutha and anudrutha etc. while playing. There is no requirement in Carnatic Music for them to provide different accents for different angAs. In North Indian music, there definitely is such a requirement, but not in carnatic music. In CM, mridangists have no obligation to indicate even the beginning of the thalam. For mridangists, the total cycle length is significant among a few other things.
- There is one major well known exception to this. That is called the arudi or padagarbam. That is usually near the mid point of the thalam and acts as the fulcrum balancing the initial half of the thala and the latter half of the thala.
- There is a pronounced stress/accent at the arudhi point.
Can someone provide a table of where the arudhi is for the 7 thala types?
For Triputa thalam, it is the first beat of the first drutha. ( for example, it is the 5th beat for chathusra jathi triputa and 6th beat for kanda jathi triputa etc. )
Like this, it will be good to have a table for the other 6 thala types.
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> 7. Where do foundling lessons for introduction : , information about theoy, druming and voal incarnatic miusic.?
Some on youtube for learning about playing mridangam:
This is part 1 and then you can look up others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKuGl8MX ... re=related
This video series might answer your question number 5. too. ( Is carnatic rhythm described in notes ?)
Some on youtube for learning about playing mridangam:
This is part 1 and then you can look up others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKuGl8MX ... re=related
This video series might answer your question number 5. too. ( Is carnatic rhythm described in notes ?)
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>8. I need a book about carnatic miusic . Format PDF.
I don't know of any online PDF book, but this site should help:
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/library.html
I don't know of any online PDF book, but this site should help:
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/library.html
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One can always start with this one "Carnatic Music Primer": http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse ... nts3_1.htm
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It thanks for answer. I began reading :
Connection interests me Thalam from rhythm mridanga's / drums.
I made transcriptions . I recorded with notes .
I do not know this is Carnatic rhythm.
I can give mp3. I can make a mistake .
http://vedicdemigods.bloog.pl/foto,9040 ... .html#next
I apologize. I. Mridangam thanks for lessons. I read book ( plays on Miridangam) , author said that :"
Connection interests me Thalam from rhythm mridanga's / drums.
I made transcriptions . I recorded with notes .
I do not know this is Carnatic rhythm.
I can give mp3. I can make a mistake .
http://vedicdemigods.bloog.pl/foto,9040 ... .html#next
I apologize. I. Mridangam thanks for lessons. I read book ( plays on Miridangam) , author said that :"
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Vedic, if you know German, Ludwig Pesch's web site (and classes) may be helpful:
http://home.planet.nl/~pesch082/Deutsch/index.html
Good luck!
http://home.planet.nl/~pesch082/Deutsch/index.html
Good luck!
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you can get a copy of "easy ways to enjoy carnatic music in 6 volumes" E-Mail your requirement to tanjoresangitashramam@yahoo.com.
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I have a Russian colleague and he is very much interested in India, whether it is music, dance, philosophy, language, religion, meditation and overall history and geography. When he was in Russia, Raj Kapoor was quite well known to him since indian movies were always quite popular there. Over the years, he has acquired quite a wide perspective about India. It is quite amazing at the detailed and sensitive level to which he can relate to India. Currently, he is reading a biography of Gandhiji and asking me questions. I had to refresh a lot of things so I can talk intelligently to him.
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Hello!
http://sruthilaya.sqweebs.com/
I would like to take the help of this forum to introduce our site, Sruthilaya, to all the members in this forum who are interested in learning carnatic vocal. There are many Krithis and also beginner lessons and the site is constantly being updated for more and more Krithis and other songs. There are mp3 files for all the lessons and Krithis along with notations.
The mp3 files are in a format that would help novice singer to learn carnatic music in a very systematic way. Please visit
http://sruthilaya.sqweebs.com/
to take full advantage of this site.
Thanks,
Sruthilaya Team.
http://sruthilaya.sqweebs.com/
I would like to take the help of this forum to introduce our site, Sruthilaya, to all the members in this forum who are interested in learning carnatic vocal. There are many Krithis and also beginner lessons and the site is constantly being updated for more and more Krithis and other songs. There are mp3 files for all the lessons and Krithis along with notations.
The mp3 files are in a format that would help novice singer to learn carnatic music in a very systematic way. Please visit
http://sruthilaya.sqweebs.com/
to take full advantage of this site.
Thanks,
Sruthilaya Team.
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The dedication of people from abroad is no less than the learners of our region and that is one of the basic quality of any learner. I teach in person and through skype too. I have been enjoying the various aspects involved in the process of teaching and answering to their sharp questions (pariprasnam) based on their observation skills and the thirst for knowledge.
William Malatesta, a guitarist from marryland http://www.musicamalatesta.com/percussion.html,
Jon singer a drummer from New york http://jonathansingermusic.com/?page_id=4,
Scott Robinson a frame drummer http://www.nscottrobinson.com/southindiaperc.php, who has published a seperate page for South Indian percussion,
Jonathan Bernard of Van Couver, who plays gamelan, marimba and percussion for Orchid Ensemble, Devarajan Mag of France, Glenn Rogers of Australia, John Hadfield, a faculty in NY university...
What is common among these performer-learners are, their sincere listening to what a guru says, what is taught for the day, to check whether a thing is understood properly, doing the home work, a quest to be heading towards the next stage etc.
William Malatesta, a guitarist from marryland http://www.musicamalatesta.com/percussion.html,
Jon singer a drummer from New york http://jonathansingermusic.com/?page_id=4,
Scott Robinson a frame drummer http://www.nscottrobinson.com/southindiaperc.php, who has published a seperate page for South Indian percussion,
Jonathan Bernard of Van Couver, who plays gamelan, marimba and percussion for Orchid Ensemble, Devarajan Mag of France, Glenn Rogers of Australia, John Hadfield, a faculty in NY university...
What is common among these performer-learners are, their sincere listening to what a guru says, what is taught for the day, to check whether a thing is understood properly, doing the home work, a quest to be heading towards the next stage etc.
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