Jayachamaraja Odeyar (Mysore Maharajah) - Part I

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:31

One can justify by considering jagadamba as the boss and lalita as a 'upadevata'(you will recall lalitA is just one of the fifteen nityA) in which context prcOdana (persuasion) may be meaningful.

If you want to alter the lyric it must be "matayaH naH pracOdayAt" (ikArAnta strIli^Nga bahuvacanam)

lalitA is by no yardstick a upadEvatA. I mentioned earlier that lalitA is one of the sixteen nityAs and that the other fifteen are incorporated in Her. She as lalitA is the culmination of Everything and hence the name lalitAmbikA is the last name in the sahasranAma. I am sure you will appreciate that the sahasranAma and the triSatI will not be named after a upadEvatA!

As for matayaH naH pracOdayAt, I think that is incorrect. matayaH is the bahuvacana in the first case (nominative) while matIH is the bahuvacana in the accusative 2nd case. (engaL madiyai UkkuvippAyAga).

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:31

here is a neerajakshi by balmurali-kalanidhi concertatb academy

: http://rapidshare.de/files/5238470/neerajakshi.mp3.html

CML
working on a nice malkauns track.will put up on the HM THREAD

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:31

Next kRti in SankarAbharaNa.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5244317/Shan ... m.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:31

DRS
agreed!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:32

sAhitya
|| nAgalinga mahESvaram ||

rAga: dhIra SankarAbharaNa ; triSra jhampe tALa (rUpaka)

nAgalinga mahESvaram bhajamAnasa satatam ||P||

nAgarAjAdi bhakta SamkarAbharaNa yutam ||
nagAtmajAsahitam agastyamuni sampUjitam |
nAgacarmAmbarayutam AgamAdi suviditam ||AP||

sundara madhurA purAdhISvaram sOmESvaram |
indrAdi sakala sura santOShakaram parAtparam |
sundara vadanam praNata sajjanArti haram varam ||
indrAkShI lalitA tripura sundarI manOharam su- |
-dhIndranuta SrI vidyA mahA mantrESvaram ||

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:32

Dr. Shrikaanth,
Were you able to resolve the place that 'hAlAsya kshEthram' was in reference to? I was listening to MDs 'Ekadhantham' (bilahari) where he refers to gaNapathi as 'hAlasya kshEthra vEgavathi thata vihAram'...where exactly is this, or are there many hAlasya kshEthrams?
THANKS.
Ravi

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:33

CML, thanks. What I meant to ask, though was how cAmunda-ambA can be more illegal than cAmunda-Isvari.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:36

Dr. Shrikaanth,
Were you able to resolve the place that 'hAlAsya kshEthram' was in reference to? I was listening to MDs 'Ekadhantham' (bilahari) where he refers to gaNapathi as 'hAlasya kshEthra vEgavathi thata vihAram'...where exactly is this, or are there many hAlasya kshEthrams?
THANKS.
Ravi

hAlAsya kShEtra would refer to madurai and madurai only until and unless proved otherwise. MD`s kRti is no exception. vEgavati is another name for the river vaigai that flows past madurai. (Curiosity sake, does vaigai have water flowing at all?)
Incidentally, vEgavati is also the name of the river that flows through kAncipuram but this is not the one referred to her.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:36

cml

here is the malkauns
a natyageeth by prabhakar karekar
: http://rapidshare.de/files/5247131/prab ... H.mp3.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:36

Incidentally, vEgavati is also the name of the river that flows through kAncipuram but this is not the one referred to her.

Dr. Shrikaanth,
That was the only vEgavathI that I was aware of. I did not know that the now dry vaigai was also called vEagavthI...how confusing!
Ravi

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:37

nAgacarmAmbarayutam AgamAdi suviditam

Doesn't Purandara Dasa refer to Shiva as 'gajacharmabaraDHaram' in his 'chandhrachUda shiva shankara pArvathi ramaNanE' composition? Do 'yutham' and 'DHaram' mean the same, and if they do, how does one wear snake skin?
Ravi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:37

Meaning of
|| nAgalinga mahESvaram ||

rAga: dhIra SankarAbharaNa ; triSra jhampe tALa (rUpaka)

nAgalinga mahESvaram bhaja mAnasa- O mind, sing praise of nAgalinga mahESvara ;satatam- Always;

nAgarAjAdi bhakta Sam kara AbharaNa yutam- Him Who is adorned with jewels that bestow prosperity and auspiciousness(or calm) on devotees such as the king of snakes;
naga AtmajA sahitam- Him Who is with the daughter of the mountain; agastya muni sampUjitam- Him worshipped by sage agastya;
nAga carma ambara yutam- Him Who wears the skin of an elephant as his apparel/raiment (nAga is used here in the sense of elephant. He killed gajAsura and wore the hide as his dress. "karittOlai urittOn urittolaip parittOn"

AgamAdi suviditam- Him expounded well by the Agamas;

sundara madhurA purAdhISvaram- The ruler of the beautiful city of madurai; sOmESvaram;
indrAdi sakala sura santOShakaram- Him Who makes indra and the other dEvas happy; parAtparam- the supreme among the superior;
sundara vadanam- handsome-faced; praNata sajjanArti haram- Him Who dispels/removes the travails and difficulties of the righteous who bow to Him; varam;
indrAkShI lalitA tripura sundarI manOharam- Him Who charms lalitA tripura sundari Who dwells in in the individual soul/jIvAtma;
indra also has the meaning of the individual soul/jIvAtma. akShi, as I have explained earlier means residing or dwelling. Thereby indrAkShI is Her Who dwells in the jIvAtma.

sudhIndra nuta SrIvidyA mahA mantrESvaram- the Lord of the sacred mantra SrIvidyA Who is worshipped by the moon.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:38

Dr. Shrikaanth,
That was the only vEgavathI that I was aware of. I did not know that the now dry vaigai was also called vEagavthI...how confusing!
Ravi

Now there is a further interesting twist to this. vaigai is also considered as one of the seven tributaries of vEgavati. Does the vEgavati near kanci go all the way to madurai as well? I doubt it.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:39

Doesn't Purandara Dasa refer to Shiva as 'gajacharmabaraDHaram' in his 'chandhrachUda shiva shankara pArvathi ramaNanE' composition? Do 'yutham' and 'DHaram' mean the same, and if they do, how does one wear snake skin?
Ravi

yuta is " one with" while dhara means "one who wears". nAga also means elephant as will be clear from my explanation. Even otherwise I guess it is only expected thet even Gods change their clothes once in a while. So one day it could be elephant hide while another day it cold be snake skin.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:39

Thanks coolkarni!
It flows smooth like nectar!

I also recollect the 'man thadapatha..' from Baiju Baavra which is a very moving song and scene!

Is there a BGAK version of malkauns?

shankar
yuta means united or being literally part of the body. Recall MD's gajaananyutam where the elephant head is united to his body (at the command of Siva). Whereas dharam means wearing externally like clothings or ornamensts.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:40

shankar
yuta means united or being literally part of the body. Recall MD's gajaananyutam where the elephant head is united to his body (at the command of Siva). Whereas dharam means wearing externally like clothings or ornamensts.

yuta does not always mean united. It can simply mean being with/ accompanied by or attached to. It is the same as sahita (jote or kUDe in kannaDa/ kUDa in tamizh). Perhaaps you were thinking of yukta.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Feb 2006, 01:40

(dhIra) SankarAbharaNa is the 29th mELa. It is an extremely popular and majestic rAga which again, I shall not talk about. Suffice to say that this rAga is very common in many systems of music. It is bilAval in hindUstAni and C major in western music. The scale is

SR2G3M1PD2N3S* | S*NDPMGRS ||

The compositions in this rAga are a legion. oDeyar`s kRtis is aworthy addition. It is beautiful and weighty. The rAga also appears appropriate for Lord Siva not just in name but in spirit as well. oDeyar has compied largely with the prAsa rules in the kRti. It will be a great addition to a musician`s repertoire.

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 18 Jun 2006, 21:35

CMLsir, here's one that Shri Kulkarni put up a few months ago
from a Bangalore concert of BGAK.
http://rapidshare.de/files/5253382/04-Malkauns.wma

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:52

Thanks Badri for the reference!

What a difference between the two - a lamb bleating vs a lion's plaintive roar...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:52

DRS

Agree with you 100% A superb shankarabharanam. How could the performers have missed it all these years.
sundara madhurA purAdhISvaram appears to be an ideal spot for neraval and svaraprastaaram. If these songs were ready in 1947 why were they ignored for over 50 years. My guess is that it was due to the lack of a sishya parmapara!

any comments RC ?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:53

DRS

The word 'indrAkShI' is a nityasamAsa designating dEvI (cf the famous indrAkShI stOtram). Hence your parsing of the word and the interpretation is your own (unless you have a source reference). The dictionary (MW) does give the meaning human or animal soul for 'indra', but not any meaning 'dwell' for akSha. Apte gives the meaning soul for 'akSha'. The word akShI (feminine) is used in compounds 'only when a limb of the body is indicated' (while meaning 'eye' e.g., mInAkShI, jalajAkShI etc.,). if you do form a bahuvrIhi compound ending in 'akSha' then by the rules of grammar the feminine has to be 'akShaA'. Hence your discussion needs justification!

Yes. The derivation is very much my own. AkShi, as I have mentioned previously means to dwell/inhabit/possess. This meaning is very much given in MW and Cologne digital. Hence indrAkShI can be interpreted as She Who dwells in/ takes possession of the jIvAtma. I interpreted indrAkShI as adjective as otherwise there will be too many names. At the end of the day, Siva has only One wife Who is indistinguishable from Him. Why would oDeyar use three different names for her in a row when the kRti is actually about Siva? Also, going by oDeyar`s use of rare/camatkAra meanings and usages in other kRtis prompted me to come up with this interpretation.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:59

DRS
sometime back you were mentioning about concert recordings of these artists, rksrikantan, shankar , ms sheela and others, where they would have sung wodeyars krithis.
just came across a ms sheela concert.
i have put up the gam ganapathe clip alone here.
will put up the full-a short one- concert in the thread on lesser heard artists..

: http://rapidshare.de/files/5265776/gam_ ... i.mp3.html

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:59

posted a concert excerpt of rk srikanthan with chinatayami hindola
DRS
will have to take leave for four days.(for uploads only-will be watching over the browsing centres-this forum has become an addiction )
Blessed with an opportunity to enjoy the cool climates of bangalore and coimbatore .
back on friday.

: http://rapidshare.de/files/5268484/RKS-Pappa-1.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 21:59

DRS

I commend you on attempting a clever derivation and interpretation. But in this case you will note that 'AkShi' is a verb meaning 'to dwell'. The word dwelling is 'AkShit'(see MW dictionary). Hence the compound will be 'indrAkShit' whose feminine form would be indrAkShitI.

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:01

There can be no doubt that this is a superb shankarabharanam to say the least.I really hope this gets rendered in concerts of some of the established artistes.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:02

CML
Thanks for the clarifications.

Here is the link for the next one

http://rapidshare.de/files/5273822/Prat ... a.mp3.html

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:02

Malve

here is a neerajakshi by balmurali-kalanidhi concertatb academy

: http://rapidshare.de/files/5238470/neerajakshi.mp3.html

CML
working on a nice malkauns track.will put up on the HM THREAD

i could not dwnload please csn u post it thru usendit or in coogoose
thx.
malve

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:03

DRS, I'm not sure in which manner you needed clarification regarding Paramaguru and Parameshtiguru, but I have explained the paddathi that is followed in both Sanyashramam and ShriVidyopasana:

Paramaguru is the Guru of the Sadhaka's Guru and Parameshti Guru is the Guru of the Paramaguru.

Example: Taking the Guru Parampara of Sringeri Sharada Peetam:-

Reigning Pontiff: Shrimad Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

Predecessor of Shri Bharati Tirtha: Shrimad Abhinava Vidya Tirtha, Guru of Shri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

Predecessor of Shri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha: Shrimad Chandrashekhara Bharati, Guru of Shri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha and Paramaguru of Shri Bharati Tirtha

Predecessor of Shri Chandrashekhara Bharati: Shrimad Sacchidananda Shivabhinava Nrsimha Bharati, Guru of Shri Chandrashekhara Bharathi, Paramaguru of Shri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha, and Parameshti Guru of Shri Bharati Tirtha

Hope this clarifies.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:03

DRS: "Now is SrIkaNTha born to or adopted by HHJC oDeyar?"

DRS, as you have briefed regarding the mythological curse on the Wodeyar dynasty, Shrikantadatta Narasimharaja Wodeyar (he is not srikantha, but Shrikanta, the name of the deity at Nanjangud, Nanjundeshwara or Shrikanteshwara) was born to Shri Jayachamarajendra Wodeyar. But as if the curse came true, Shrikantadatta Narasimharaja Wodeyar does not have any heirs (neither by birth nor by adoption) to succeed him.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:03

Darshan
You have clarified exactly what I had wanted to know. Although I had gleaned as much from internet sources, I wanted to confirm. Thanks.

Iam also aware of SrIkaNTha being the name of nanjuNDESvara as the phonetic spelling would clarify. Certaing things in life are beyond our scientific or logical reasoning. One such is this curse on the oDeyars.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:03

sAhitya for
|| bhUri bhAgya lahari ||

rAga: pratApavarALi ; Adi tALa

bhUri bhAgyalahari bhuvanESvari |
paripAhimAm nityAnandakari ||P||

Sauri virinci pramukha mOdakari |
gauri girirAjakumAri Sankari ||
pArijAta cintAmaNi sadRSa SrIkari SrIvidyAvaSankari ||AP||

yatIndrAdi sannuta SubhacaritE |
yamESAna kubErAdi vinutE |
atiSayavaradE AgamaviditE |
amEya mahimAnvitE lalitE ||
pratApavarALi mahAkALi yadIcchAmi taddEhi bhRtabhaktALi ||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

Meaning for
|| bhUri bhAgya lahari ||

rAga: pratApavarALi ; Adi tALa

bhUri bhAgyalahari- Stream of abundant prosperity; bhuvanESvari;
paripAhimAm- Protect me; nityAnandakari- You Who grant eternal bliss;

Sauri virinci pramukha mOdakari- You Who please viShNu, brahma and others;
gauri- White complexioned One; girirAjakumAri- Daughter of the king of mountains; Sankari;
pArijAta cintAmaNi sadRSa SrIkari- Bestower of riches and prosperity just like the celestial wish-granting trees and gem (pArijAta and cintAmaNi); SrIvidyAvaSankari- You Who are captivated by SrIvidyA (dEviyu Srividyeya upAsaneyinda olivaLu.)

yatIndrAdi sannuta- You Whos is worshipped by the best of yatis; SubhacaritE- You with a good disposition/character;
yama ISAna kubErAdi vinutE- You Who is praised by yama, Siva and kubEra among many others;
atiSaya varadE- You Who grant many extraordinary boons; Agama viditE- You Who is eulogised by the Agamas;
amEya mahimAnvitE- You With qualities and greatness beyond measure; lalitE;
pratApavarALi- You has a multitude of valiant/valorous deeds to your credit; mahAkALi ;yat IcchAmi tat dEhi- Brant me whaever I desire; bhRtabhaktALi- You Who fulfil/protect/nurture Your countless devotees.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

Can we have some historical facts on the curse on the Odeyars?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

CML, if I can remember correctly: A chieftain of a place called Talakadu, not very far from Mysore, was killed in a battle with the Wodeyars. Supposedly the reigning Wodeyar then asked his soldiers to snatch away the jewels of the deceased chieftain's wife. The wife was aghast to know about this and refused to part with them and tried to escape from the soldiers. She approached the river Cauvery which flowed alongside Talakadu. With no other option left, the chieftain's wife decided to jump into the river and commit suicide. But before jumping into the waters, she uttered these curses: 1. Let Talakadu become sand. 2. Let the Mysore kings not have any progeny.

Thanks to this woman's curses, even to this day, Talakadu is still covered with sand, covering completley the famed Panchalingeshwara temples. Also this curse had its effect on the Mysore monarchy with almost every alternate King having no direct male progeny.

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

darshan,

welcome & thanks for clarifying drs's query and reducing my burden!
As for as the curse, there are some discrepancies in your story, i would like to clarify with a detailed story on some other day (it is already past midnight, and eversince i got hooked to this thread, iam short of nidra )

here is another version:

http://rapidshare.de/files/5293238/rks_ ... i.mp3.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

Thanks darshan and welcome!

Please do share Sri Vidya as well as historical facts relating to Odeyars as you know! Where is Talakadu? Is it the place of origin of Tala Kaveri?

Thanks RC! Any rendering by rks is precious!

meena · Post by **meena** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:04

DRS

This is another version of "the curse"- (our guide at Talakadu narrated same story)

http://www.indiavarta.com/travel/24jul05.asp

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:05

DRS

pratApavarALi- You has a multitude of valiant/valorous deeds to your credit;

Could you kindly explain this derivation? Thanks

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:05

pratApavarALi is split as pratApa+vara+ALi. pratApa is valour, strength, majesty, brilliance; vara means good; ALi means a row, group, swarm; Thus the derivation.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:05

This website should be of some help, showcasing the brilliance of the Mysore royalty, the official website of the Mysore Palace: http://www.mysorepalace.org/

If this is not a digress, always the Mysore Royalty have been greatly devoted to the Sringeri Sharada Peetam and had considerable say in the activities of the Peetam. Mummudi Krishnaraja Wodeyar (circa 1800s) helped the then pontiff Shri Vriddha Nrsimha Bharati nominate his successor, the great Shri Sacchidananda Shivabhinava Nrsimha Bharati.

HH Jayachamarajendra Wodeyar also had great respect towards the Peetam. If I'm not mistaken, he had obtained some mantropadeshams from Shrimad Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. Not sure if they were Shrividya or Shivapanchakshari. The Jagadguru, on his part, greatly admired the King for his knowledge and devotion. In fact, he was disturbed to quite an extent when he heard about the King's demise. This is recorded in the Acharyal's biography.

The official website of the Peetham - http://www.sringerisharadapeetham.org/ gives more information regarding the relationship between the Peetam and the Royalty.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:05

CML, Talakadu is a beautiful place on the banks of the Cauvery, towards Kollegal from Mysore. The place is almost full of sand dunes and sand. There are the famed Panchalingeshwara temples and a Narayana temple in Talakadu, which were also covered with sand thanks to the curse. They were all supposed to be viewed only once in 12 years when they were excavated, but nowadays one can see them all through the year, but you have to kind of wade in the sand sometimes. The temples belong to the Hoysala architecture.

The birthplace of the river Cauvery is Talacauvery in Coorg or Kodagu, about 6 hours from Bangalore. The source of the river is a small pond called Kaveri Kunda, set amidst picturesque surroundings atop the Brahmagiri hills. Supposedly the water in this pond stays at a certain level, neither low nor high, except during the day of Cauvery Sankramana or Tula Sankramana during October-November when Cauvery literally springs out of the pond at an auspicious lagnam. This is a very important festival for the people of Coorg. I personally vouch for the tranquility and the divinity of this beautiful and holy place.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:05

Thanks darshan/meena/DRS
for the fascinating historic details. The curse is reminiscent of the curse on the famous Hope diamond. Divine will manifests in mysterious ways. Even Royalty is not spared! Though interesting we may not pursue the details in this thread so as not to interrupt the trend of the focus on Wodeyars's musical compositions.

DRS

Thanks for the explanation of the term pratApavarALi. I agree with you completely. But then the term is intrinsically feminine and hence in smbOdhana (vocative) should be 'pratApavarALE'. Again Odeyaar is unlikely to make such mistakes.

My explanation is that he simply used it as a raga name which is in the neutre gender and in the vocative is just pratApavarALi.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

DRS, this is regarding the translation you have given for a line in Wodeyar's kriti "Shri Guru Dakshinamurthe" at http://www.freepgs.com/carnatic/viewtop ... &start=500

>> yOga paTTAbhirAma mahAmAyA vaNDita- Him woshipped by yOga paTTAbhirAma and mahAmAya <<

I would like to point out here that by Yoga Pattabhirama, Wodeyar is referring to none other than Shri Dakshinamurthi Himself. It is actually a namam in Shri Dakshinamurthi Ashtotram --

"Om Sathyarupaya Namaha, Om Dayaparaya Namaha, Om Yoga Pattabhiramaya Namaha, Om Vinadharaya Namaha, Om Vichetanaya Namaha"

Bhagavan Shri Ramana Maharshi has commented on this particular namam thus:

>> Bhagavan asked me to fetch the book Dakshinamurti Ashtotra, which I had not read, and opening a page therein he gave it to me to read. The fifth name from the last read "Om Sri Yoga Pattabhiramaya namaha." Bhagavan then said, "Sri Rama is Dakshinamurti, and Dakshinamurti is Sri Rama. Do you know where Ayodhya is? The Vedas say it is in the sun, and describe it is as ashtachakra navadwara devanam purayodhya (the gods' city is Ayodhya with eight corners and nine gates). Arunachala is also ashtachakra puri (eight-cornered city), and Lord Arunachala is Sri Rama as well as Dakshinamurti. One has no need to go to the sun to see Ayodhya or Sri Rama, but one may see them here and now." <<

Source: At The Feet Of Bhagavan by T.K. Sundaresa Iyer www.arunachala.org/NewsLetters/1993/sep_oct.html

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

Darshan
Thanks for the details of yOga paTTAbhirAma. I have thought of another explanation as well which I will post later in the context of another song where this usage appears.

CML
Thanks for your input and clarifications. I am learning a lot sanskrit here.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

CML
The Apte`s dictionary lists both Ali and AlI as meaning line/row/swarm. That will validate oDeyar`s usage and my interpretation of prtApavarALi as sambOdhane rather than simply as rAga name.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

DRS

Just checked! You are right! Also your interpretation is more appealing!

ksiyer · Post by **ksiyer** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

Dear All.

I confused Wodeyar & Vasudevacharya.

Vasudeva is another great vidwan. Would like to know more.

also upload his Abheri krithi : bhajare Manasa:

thanks

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

As there is a little lull, I can catch up with some of the stories:

drs by quoting about eDatore and rAmanathapura, you certainly kindled some child hood memories!

I have attended many weddings of my relatives at raManathapura and vividly remember the unusual fish congregation and enjoyed bathing in the River. I have never been there in recent times though ! My mother hails from village nearby in arakalgud taluk known as marUr.

As for eDatore, a small note handed over many generations states that my ancestors left Vijayanagar and came to eDatore and conquered a small village nearby known as bEDarahaLLi and initially settled there ! Even today some of my relatives hail from this village.

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:06

drs,

Even i have heard the story about the golden nose ring. But I am not sure about Mummudi as the story I had heard said it was Jayachamaraja Wodeyar.

Incidentally when I was discussing this story with some friends, they said they have actually seen the Fish with the Golden Ring ! But not yet rAmanathapur but at sringEri.

So it is possible that both the stories could be true.

Another small incident : During ganseha festival when my family priest was making me repeat gaM gaNapathE namaH, I asked him whether he is aware of oDeyar's composition by that name. He said during his studies at sringEri math, he had heard his seniors saying only oDeyar could engage the paramacharya on a serous dialogue ( vAgvAda) !

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 25 Aug 2006, 22:07

As Darshan has mentioned about srinGeri in his recent posts and also about the royal curse, I have made a common file containg a detailed story of the royal curse and also about an address by oDeyar on sringEri and shankara at new Delhi in the august prsence of Dr. Radhakrishna and the devine presence of His Holiness on 20-11-1966.

d/l from:

http://rapidshare.de/files/5369468/wode ... i.doc.html