Are there any other carnatic music forums like this one?

girish_a · Post by **girish_a** » 22 Mar 2009, 22:59

Since English grammar is being discussed here, and as this is a very Indian forum on a very Indian subject, these two articles by KS Yadurajan in the Deccan Herald about Indianisms and Indian coinages might interest you:

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/May ... 169199.asp

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Aug ... 817908.asp

On a lighter note, those of you who point out mistakes in others' spelling and grammar - did you know that you belong to a race of people called "Grammar Nazis"?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Mar 2009, 23:15

A special sub-tribe of that group is the "who/whom" group

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 22 Mar 2009, 23:43

vasanthakokilam wrote:A special sub-tribe of that group is the "who/whom" group

Who is it to whom you are referring?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 23 Mar 2009, 00:20

vasanthakokilam wrote:Even then, there were some occasional nasty and distasteful exchanges

If you thought those were nasty and distasteful, you probably never ventured into soc.culture.tamil! I used to hang out there a little.

PS: I can hear some of you mutter, "Obviously!".

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Mar 2009, 00:46

Suresh, yes SCT is a different level indeed. I disengaged from that newsgroup a looong time back, so long back it feels like a different yuga.

I welcome and cherish a show of irreverance to establishment, especially the ones that try to break out false modesty/pretenses/cultural barriers etc. but it only takes a few to take such things over the top and spoil it for everyone. Such things were common with both SCI and SCT.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 23 Mar 2009, 01:07

vk... On the flip side I got some whole new perspectives on several issues and just learnt a lot by interacting and debating with people. Sometimes informed people are opinionated and an over emphasis on form and style just gets in the way of the substance of the debate. For example, posts from Rajan P*** (who you seemed to disdain) were enlightening even if the style was somewhat curmudgeonly. I think the group was richer for those contributions.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Mar 2009, 01:24

Yes Suresh, definitely ( and without naming any names so we do not drag them into this discussion and your characterizaton there is not quite correct, we will leave it at that, it is not important in this context ).

I can say without any reservation that among music related discussions, the good far outweighed the bad. A somewhat similar mixture/dynamics existed in sangeetham.com as well though the bad vitriol was confined to a few outbreaks now and then ( 'kuzhAi adi sandai' level ). In fact, such things, though few and far between, made a few of the rasikas to take asylum here in the early days of this forum. And after the demise of sangeetham.com, this forum became the 'go to' place for discussions.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Mar 2009, 02:26

The Grammar Nazis...

Those who hate the slide into the gutter of the English Language as seemingly encouraged by the BBC and the British Department of Education!

But one can point out errors without being arrogant. One can also consider that forum style is colloquial, not formal, and it is about music we speak, not English.

(One should not begin a sentence, musch less a paragraph with 'but'!)

If Mr Sod, or Mr Murphy, maybe, were still around, I am sure one of them would coin a new law saying that

whenever a person posts on the internet a criticism of somebody's grammar, that post itself will contain an error for everybody else to pounce on.

I've fallen foul of that law quite a few times <Blush>

Back on topic... sangeetham.com seems a long time ago now! It feels like rasikas has been around for ever.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 23 Mar 2009, 02:56

sureshvv - talking about curmedgeons, we have had a few here on this forum (a certain doctor-vaggeyakara comes to mind

), and we have certainly benefited from their vidwat.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 23 Mar 2009, 02:58

The Grammar Nazis...

Better than the Grammar Naasthikas!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Mar 2009, 03:21

r-t, suresh, ( and myself ): let us not make this about specific people. I now regret going in that direction myself.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Mar 2009, 07:46

Excuse me! I don't think any vAggEyakAra on the forum has been a curmudgeon. The one referred to has been crisp, pithy, to the point and no-nonsense but how gifted and informed the said person is! Yes, like you, I am referring to his vidvat, rt.
As old age has forgetfulness to deal with, does youth have impatience to tackle with? I am not sure

VK,
You are right. We do not need to be specific and get personal in instances like this.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 24 Mar 2009, 00:39

vasanthakokilam wrote:As vainika wrote, Google obtained those archives and made it available to all.

Small historical note. There was a company called DejaNews that first provided the Usenet archives on the web. That company was subsequently acquired by Google.

girish_a · Post by **girish_a** » 24 Mar 2009, 07:51

nick H wrote: whenever a person posts on the internet a criticism of somebody's grammar, that post itself will contain an error for everybody else to pounce on.

This verse expresses a similar sentiment:

"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 26 Mar 2009, 02:20

arasi wrote:By the way, CML (singular, pertaining to one particular individual) is making himself scarce. What are CM lovers without CML? Just Plural?

Yes, where is CML??
Hope he is doing well.