CM ADDICTION

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 24 Jul 2007, 12:23

Hmm... my score is MA59(19).
Sathej

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 24 Jul 2007, 13:52

MA 61 (19)
Do i need rehabilitation???:D
-bhaktha

ram · Post by **ram** » 24 Jul 2007, 15:19

MA69(19)

I have started googling for rehab centers

bhaktha,

hope you and Sathej will come along with me once I zero in on one

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 24 Jul 2007, 15:24

MB63 (19)

Can I join you guys? Hi, my name is Mahesh and I'm a CM addict ...

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 24 Jul 2007, 15:53

Definitely, Ram. Will join. But, you beat us all comfortably

Sathej

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 24 Jul 2007, 16:42

@ Ram,

Sure..But I dont think the rehab centre will help us one wee bit. We'll probably iinfluence the docs into becoming addicts!!
Nice to note lots of high scores in the A category...who says cm is not popular with the youth??

As an aside, I am missing your reviews...None of late?
-bhaktha

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Jul 2007, 17:54

Please don't get influenced by what others are scoring. Just be true to yourself . This test is about you and not about your peers. Also do not comment about your own scores or compare with others.

suji
We cannot reveal answers to each statement as it will be too personal.

Also we are only interested in the general population distribution and not in any particular person. Granted this forum is a biassed population (CM enthusiasts) and certianly the scores are bound to be high. Ideally this should be administered to a random sample of the geneal population to establish strict standards.

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 24 Jul 2007, 17:55

FA71(19)

But I totally love the way I am.

-Nivedita

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 18:15

CML
You ought to have waited for me before posting the questionnaire. It could have been modified. Particularly, I dont think there shold be a choice of which questions to answer. All questions ought to be madatory. Otherwise, the validity itself is questionable.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 18:43

MC58(19)

PS : Edited

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 18:46

srkris,
I tried typing again again 'MA' it ends up as 'Ma' - is it any code or what?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:04

vgv! Where?

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:06

cml
One relevant aspect is number of hours spent in listening to CM.
drs,
At least one question is not applicable to people like me - no (office) boss.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:08

drs,
I wanted to type the score and it would not accept 'A'. I tried 5, 6 times and yet the result is only 'Ma' - In the next post 'MA' was accepted. Intriguing.
More surprise - the post now looks correct as 'MA'.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:31

vgvindan wrote:MA58(19)

vgv
YOu have no chance to be MA , I think you are MC or may be MB

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:44

DRS

Knowing how busy you are I did not have the heart to load you with the responsibility. Usually the clinical scale questionnaires include 30 to 40 items. It is not always mandatory to answer all questions when the mean score is used for categorization. The four point scale is better than a dichotomy and I concede it will certianly be biassed in this population. At least it will give us a basic distribution.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:49

When folks like VGV classify themselves as below 30 how much validity can we expect

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:57

rajeshnat wrote:vgv
YOu have no chance to be MA , I think you are MC or may be MB

cmlover wrote:When folks like VGV classify themselves as below 30 how much validity can we expect

Sahana picked that loophole rightaway. I think VGV got confused between his scores and his age.

VGV- A, B,C refers to the age bracket, not your scores.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:00

cml,
u caught me on the wrong foot. I failed to see your age criteria given at the top. I only took note of the legend; Accordingly I chose 'A' being 'above 60'. Then, I also subsequently said 'no office boss'. E&OE - check all those who declare 'MA' - they also must be bungling like me.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:03

cmlover wrote:Usually the clinical scale questionnaires include 30 to 40 items. It is not always mandatory to answer all questions when the mean score is used for categorization. The four point scale is better than a dichotomy and I concede it will certianly be biassed in this population. At least it will give us a basic distribution.

Yes, we dont want Yes/No answers. I think 5 would have been best (Strongly agree, Agree, Neither agree nor disagree, Disagree, Strongly Disagree) and a forther option of N/A(Not applicable).

Also, the number of optional questions should be minimum. Never mind, a good start for generating baselines. This is only a Pilot study

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:05

Sangeetha Rasik,
Although you make some valid points, it is your POV that is unacceptable, as some of your inferences/extrapolations. I do not want to distract from the main purpose of this thread and hence have kept quiet. One thing I will say, our understanding is limited by our experience. It is hard to understand or accept that others can do what one cannot even conceive/imagine as possible. But that is still not necessarily impossible.

No one would have taken exception to your putting MD on the pedestal. But your disparaging comments about other "Please protect me" composers was uncalled for ad surely will not go unnnoticed.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:06

drs,
so, that was the reason, my typing 'A' was not being accepted.
Probably you have programmed this thread to catch those who declare their age wrongly.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:09

VGV
Glad to see your humourous face

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:16

MB51(20)

Actually if #5 was worded "I think my productivity at work is affected by my interest in CM" - i would have changed from 1 to 3/4

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 24 Jul 2007, 21:30

cmlover wrote:. Ideally this should be administered to a random sample of the geneal population to establish strict standards.

True - In this forum, I am sure the scores would be skewed

But as someone said, I am too glad to see many A categories in the scores - That is a very nice thing to be aware of.

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 24 Jul 2007, 21:42

cmlover wrote:suji
We cannot reveal answers to each statement as it will be too personal.

Yes offcourse!.
If only there was an anonymous way to post answers.

sbala · Post by **sbala** » 24 Jul 2007, 21:49

Recently graduated to MB with an abysmal score of 42(16).

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:00

Suji Ram wrote:
cmlover wrote:suji
We cannot reveal answers to each statement as it will be too personal.
Yes offcourse!.
If only there was an anonymous way to post answers.

There is!

There are many survey tools online - I wonder why CML did not use one of those.

for eg: www.surveymonkey.com

That would also give interesting inferences - for eg - an indication if one of the questions was more weighty than the other in a specific age group etc

-Ramakriya

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:38

Is it ok to have CM being constantly played in your head?

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:38

Mb 68 (20)

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:43

Mb52(20)

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:51

I think we have many cases to be treated by the in-house psychiatrist(s?) DRS and CML(?)

-Ramakriya

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:59

Husband's score is MB61(20)
Wife's score is FA28(17)

cmlover,
While all questions can have any of the four answers,there is one question that appears a yes or no question."18. My interest in CM is less than a year old". I have mentally rehashed the question as no of years from a range of 0-1,2-5, 5-15 ,15+ and I and my wife answered the same. I think that should be in line with your expectation?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:52

Those sort of questions are intended to capture newcomers for whom CM may just be a fad of fading interest. The validated scale (as DRS is very well aware) will only be a guide to explore deeper investigations leading to in depth analysis and counselling.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:53

MA72(#19).

I guess question #5 doesn't apply since I haven't had any encounter

with my Prof yet.

We can also have. U don't keep mumbling songs and tunes often. U don't call/text chat with friends to talk about CM.

BTW is there any cure for me?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2007, 00:01

ramakriya

A 'clinical' scale is very different from a population (opinion/business) survey tools. There are rigorous criteria and special techniques are used. i was engaged in developing tools for 'pediatric' populations (school assessment) for a number of years. We start with some simple questions to explore the area and then do rigorous 'factor analysis' to explore the dimensionality and then construct the scale which has to be rigorously validated. Typically our inventory will consis of over 100 questions and it will take about one to two hours for the child to complete!
We don't have those luxury here since this is a biassed sample! I am also afraid the sample size is likely to be quite small. Yet we may have some useful information by making a beginning. I suggest that folks 'think' and answer each question and not just casually!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 25 Jul 2007, 00:46

CML
There was one way of getting answers(for each question) anonymously from rasikas. Create new email ID and post password here so everyone could send in their answers from the same email address.

Sangeet Rasik · Post by **Sangeet Rasik** » 25 Jul 2007, 01:20

Dr. Shrikaanth,

drshrikaanth wrote:One thing I will say, our understanding is limited by our experience. It is hard to understand or accept that others can do what one cannot even conceive/imagine as possible. But that is still not necessarily impossible.

Let me say that I have considered these issues carefully before posting. In fact, I have thought about it for some time, both in the context of creativity in art and in science (sometimes, it is hard to tell if there is a difference !).

I am fully (and sometimes painfully) aware of the fact that we do not understand the mind of a genius. Very few things are impossible, but "what is most likely ?" is the question of interest. I have mentioned repeatedly that there is much "lore" about great Indian composers and poets after the fact of their existence. This is also true of Indian philosophers, kings, etc.

Indian "lore" is constructed in such a way that it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Therefore, it would be really instructive to have current examples among us. Such persons would help us understand and conceive of these things better, though never fully.

On the other hand, I am also fully cognizant that it is pointless to nitpick every detail. What I am interested in is to "de-mystify" to the extent that promotes a more forward-looking and less past-dependent direction to CM, but which at the same time does not disturb the past or reduce it to a "deconstructed" or "analyzed-to-death" triviality.

If some find my remarks very direct or even forceful, the reason is that I would just like to discuss frankly without excessive formality or displays of humility based on differences in age, background, etc. It goes without saying that I greatly respect this forum and its members. Let there be no doubt about that.

No one would have taken exception to your putting MD on the pedestal. But your disparaging comments about other "Please protect me" composers was uncalled for ad surely will not go unnnoticed.

I am sorry that some have taken exception to this comment. It was not flattering and it was not meant to be. But then expressing one's opinion is part of discussion. I have not called anyone names or cast doubts on their personality or motives, simply my opinion regarding the presentation of their works. People have written far more critically/disparagingly about Tyagaraja, Dikshitar, Swati Tirunal etc and about CM as a whole. If my comment is specially noticed, then I will hope that it is noticed as a difference in intellectual/aesthetic opinion rather than taken personally.

SR

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2007, 04:34

That is an ingenious idea DRS!
Should use it in the future!

bhaktha · Post by **bhaktha** » 25 Jul 2007, 08:53

After some of the members pointed out, I was just wondering if most of us are more addicted to the forum than cm itself (my mom often tells me so!!)....just a thought...Wish cmlover sir would come up with a questionnaire for the forum-addiction too...
-bhaktha

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 25 Jul 2007, 10:16

vijay wrote:Mb 68 (20)

b?
dint know u were that old.. sir!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2007, 16:50

Hurryup folks! Today is the last day to fillin. We need more from all of you (not just the regulars) to have a complete profile. Also note that we will be mostly measuring herein 'CM Attachment' and not the pejorative 'Addiction'. it is disappointing to see the lack of response in the 'F' category . Is it shyness? I do hope to make some recommendations to our webmasters (DRS/Chembai) on the basis of this analysis. I need your complete cooperation. Thank you!

jananee · Post by **jananee** » 25 Jul 2007, 20:03

Score is FB 57(19)..does it mean i am addicted?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Jul 2007, 20:09

I do hope to make some recommendations to our webmasters (DRS/Chembai) on the basis of this analysis.

CML, I thought this is all for fun and may be of personal use to some.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2007, 23:23

VK
'No man/woman is an island!

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 25 Jul 2007, 23:47

Ahhh...Bharath unfortunately yes- a "B" as with everything else in my life...CML's age categorization worked against me!!

That doesn't qualify me for "sir" status though so you can continue calling me Vijay!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 25 Jul 2007, 23:59

VK

Vijay got knighted by Bharath! Isn't that good enough for you

shishya · Post by **shishya** » 26 Jul 2007, 00:10

My score is Fb61(20)

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 26 Jul 2007, 06:19

OK polls closed!

We have a total of 23 responses consisting of 35% (30 or below) and the rest (excepting one) between 30 to 60 yrs) and 22% are females. The analysis is based on the mean score which is the total score divided by the number of statements answered. Here are the basic stats.
Mean 2.95 Females 2.75 Males 2.93 30below 3.07 30above 2.79
Median 2.94 Females 3.0 Males 2.87 30below 3.16 30above 2.62

This sample is too small for a group characteristic analysis and hence we can only look for a global profile. Also I have not attempted a rigorous statistical analysis. If any of you are interested I recommend the 'non parametric' (wilcoxon) over the conventional student's t tests.

Granting that the mean score is an approximate index of 'CM attachment' we can adopt the upper quartile as the cut off point to designate those with mean score over 3.25 as strongly attached to CM.

Since the minimum means score is 1 and the maximum is 4, one may note that none below 2 would be represented at this Forum. The mean value of 3 perhaps indicates those with a healthy interest in CM and who also will be participating at Forums of this kind.

We do not have the sample size to comment on family pair analysis. One should strive for a close enough means score among the family members to prevent disonance. Perhaps this qustionnaire will be useful in that respect to promote a healthy understanding among family members.

Let us not read too much into these numbers since CM Addiction is a complicated multifactorial phenomenon.

I would invite DRS to comment on these findings.

Thanks to one and all of you for your participation.

Let us all enjoy our lives fully along with a healthy attachment to CM which is our proud heritage!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 26 Jul 2007, 09:00

cmlover wrote:VK
Vijay got knighted by Bharath! Isn't that good enough for you

Yes, that is the kind of 'fun' I was enjoying in this thread