Two Bharata Ratnas : Lata and MSS

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ref-p-200
@arasi
Madam, Thank you for the nice review of the scene.

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எப்போ வருவாரோ - ஜோன்புரி ( கச்சேரிப் பாடல்)-Smt.MS

https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... erip-patal
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Jayen To Jayen Kahan - Lata Mangeshkar -
Taxi Driver [1954]
music- Sachin Dev Burman
https://youtu.be/4y9D-YCZaIc
JONPURI CLASSIC
SAREGAMA MUSIC
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the same tune sung by Talat
https://youtu.be/0nfxxCtp6Q8
(for Dev Anand)

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from wiki
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Basant Bahar (transl. Beautiful Spring), directed by Raja Nawathe,[1] is a 1956 Indian film. This musical[2] had nine outstanding songs, with lyrics written by Shailendra and Hasrat Jaipuri; and music composition by Shankar–Jaikishan. The movie is an adaptation of the Kannada novel Hamsageethe by TaRaSu.
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A nice song by Lata.
ja ja re jaa baalam
https://sites.google.com/view/latamange ... -ja-baalam

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This is a rarely heard tune from the MS Hiindi version of Meera.1947
This duet is sung by Smt.MS and Naagaiah's own voice. Perhaps, we lost a very good play-back singer in Naagaiah. He shoould have been used more often.
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What is the raagam ? In each stanza, Smt.MS sings the high-octave notes. Thrilling voice.
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The scene is as follows.
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The RANA visits during the pooja and Meerabai expresses her dearest wish to build a beautiful temple for her Giridhari. And the RANA grants her wish and a lovely temple is built just near the Palace for Lord Giridhaari.
Here is a great tune sung by RANA and Meerabai , exuberant that Giridhari will be coming to their place.
http://hindi-films-songs.com/1947069405 ... aya_ri.mp3

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RSR,
Of course. His Tyagayya songs and the ChakradhAri ones like: unakkum enakkum enna poruthamaiyA, un pOl en kaiyilum chakkaram suzhaludu pAr speak of his soothing voice which also had a soft sway.

At the same time, listening to MSS singing here with him shows how rich and well-chiselled her voice is, even in those early years.

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ref-p-205 by arasi
Madam, Yes. The Thyagaiah film and its so many songs of Thayagaraja Swami sung by Naagaiah have been discussed in this forum. --favourably. He had a nice voice.
Smt MS song given here is in 1947. She was 31 then and in the zenith of her voice quality, and all-india reach and fame. - partly due to her bajan records. She already had about 15 years of concert experience . The peak was around 1952. After that, (after the untimely demise of Kalki), she gave very few plates . We have lost her golden period concerts from 1940 to 1955.-irrevocably. She was never the same after 1955. - may be more orthodox in her repertoire but in trying to win approval from 'pundits', she sacrificed her soaring spontaneity .

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RSR wrote: 30 Jul 2022, 10:28 What is the raagam ? In each stanza, Smt.MS sings the high-octave notes. Thrilling voice.
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http://hindi-films-songs.com/1947069405 ... aya_ri.mp3
I think it's piloo .
There's one more in the movie though by Baby Radha ("nandhabala en manala.." tune I feel similar in piloo or kaapi of CM

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RSR,
Yes, your point is well taken: vAnilengum tirindE vaLa migu mozhi palavum pADik kaLi sErtha gAnak kuyil's golden age it was, that period...

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arasi
Madam,
"
வானில் எங்கும் திரிந்தே
வளமிகு மொழி பலவும்
பாடிக் களி சேர்த்த
கானக் குயிலின்
பொற்காலம்
"
Thank you.
Especially , songs in chaste Thamizh of Aazhvaars, ILango adikaL, Subramanya Bharathy, VaLLalaar, Suddhaananda, and KALKI

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Yes, vaishNava janatO tEnE kahiyE, hari tum harO jan kI pIr in other languages too by then...:)

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RSR wrote: 31 Jul 2022, 08:01 She was never the same after 1955. - may be more orthodox in her repertoire but in trying to win approval from 'pundits', she sacrificed her soaring spontaneity .
ungalukku vEnavum veNum VEnDavum vENDaam. Want the cake and eat it too. Why one has to seek the recognition of pundits? Nehruvian India eh? Common wealths (samasthaanams!) getting eroded, the word pundit entered the English dictionary too! They were the new anglicised pundits too! Blame your hero not the pundits! :evil:
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Saajan Bin Neend Na Aave - Lata Mangeshkar

https://youtu.be/Zk5FcbueWfU

Composer - S.D. Burman
Film - Munimji
Year - 1955
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This song is based on Raga Kedar.

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Smt MS renders the wonderful and famous Purandaradasa kruthi in HM Kapi.
https://youtu.be/C8zfi5c6bYw
This should have been around 1960.
DD concert ? accompanied by Smt.Radha Viswanathan.
This is a RARE live (visual -video) of the comparatively early decade.
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Transliteration and translation , with images as illustrations given in
https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... ddhaaranaa

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Perfection.
Nectar...

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And kArvai in yaSo... da.. a.. a.. eppuDi vizhutu, taTTi koTTi!! :lol: . adellam nalla laya pragyaigal irunda kaalam! hum... :(

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The time stamp where you find the lapse?!!

And what is pragyaigal ?

This thread has become over time an exclusive RSR and Arasi thread to emphasize the truism "old is the only gold" and you are raining the parade. :oops:

I used to pick ONE Bharat Ratna - MS and listen. RSR gave links to some of the rarest songs.

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Well, now that you younger ones with pragnyai (awareness, sensitivity??) are here, I can step aside and pay attention to your appreciation of her music :)
Good to have you back on this thread, g_m.

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ganesh_mourthy wrote: 07 Aug 2022, 15:16 The time stamp where you find the lapse?!!

This thread has become over time an exclusive RSR and Arasi thread to emphasize the truism "old is the only gold" and you are raining the parade. :oops:
Now the unanswered parts:

https://youtu.be/C8zfi5c6bYw?t=43 - not a lapse. Just a time lapse for us - ksheenamaayuh kshanE kshanE - lifetime moves without knowing these. See how it lands in parts. All melody buffs will scoff at such splits. SrI TKM all he does maintains the tEkka none else. It lands with verve, yet subtle.

I am not raining the parade. Rather adding a trumpet of my own. ;)

If kApi is soulful that is golden. And a nightingale's voice , that is golden. Yet as generations move, even this voice may fall out of favor - just like many ucca staayi voices of 78 rpm fame. manasu kallAnal enna seyvadu? This verve will save the day and is indeed timeless! That is not immediately easy to see , but it will be there.

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kApi is soulful that is golden. And a nightingale's voice , that is golden. Yet as generations move, even this voice may fall out of favor - just like many ucca staayi voices of 78 rpm fame. manasu kallAnal enna seyvadu?
That is not all about this immortal rendition. The theme of the song, and the deep philosophical and sublime ' wonderment' and tribute to the mother's love' -foster mother though she is -unknown to herself. and the lucid language and poetry , for people who know that language.
Saahithyam is equally important, in some instances.
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The voice will never fall out of favour ever- unless they have 'irumbuch chevi'. The young generation is re-discovering' the treasures.
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Welcome back GM ( @ganesh_mourthy .
So glad that you found here some old gems , not found in the later concert circuit. That is the purpose of this thread. Gratified. Thank you.

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RSR wrote: 07 Aug 2022, 23:17 Saahithyam is equally important, in some instances.
sAhityam is not just it's decipherment and understanding. It is Sabdam of the vaRnas, candas, viSramams, dhIrgas, hrasvas, vallinams and mellinams and saamam. Any Bharatiya in this sense relates to all languages of this land. If you don't agree, I just have to say your kannada is not my kannada.

Just like your ( an English man's or those who think like the English men) English is not my English. English for me is one of the languages of sacrifice of our freedom fighters ( I see it in yagna bhavam).

So I give more , much more importance to sAhityam than you just did!

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English for me is one of the languages of sacrifice of our freedom fighters ( I see it in yagna bhavam).
Never spoke a truer word. !
'Yagnya', was indeed 'slaughtering' and offering to gods- So, we sacrifice our freedom fighters!..?
'sacrifice' is 'thyaagam'- giving up. for a nobler cause. Our freedom fighters did not 'sacrifice' English, by slaughtering.
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saahithyam is above all, the theme , lyrics and poetic excellence and imagery. .. not mere word-play
It can never be experienced by non-native speakers.
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Here we go again !

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simmendra madhyamam
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saevaa sadhanam -1938-
guha saravana bava siva baalaa
https://youtu.be/nr-ckAVPRZs
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KaNNedutthaakilum kaaNeero
1944 record
lyrics by Suddhaananda Baarathy

https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... m-paareero
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A rare live video of Smt.MS rendering Rama Rama gunaseema of Swathi ThiruNAL, in a full fledged concert -Simmendra Madhyamam- is given in
viewtopic.php?p=377038#p377038
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#221 - will respond in lounge! "non-native speakers" - the term itself reeks of "I know more about you than yourself" attitude! Word native and nativism is used by the those who are having a particular gaze!

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i need your help in identifying the artistes in
viewtopic.php?p=377041#p377041
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M.S.Subbulakshmi - Rama Rama Guna Seema - Simmendramadyamam - Old BW DD telecast_29m 53s
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https://youtu.be/RHibl6DNvrE
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I know more about you than yourself" attitude!
It is amazing to note that sanskrit lexicons, translations with commentary, of vedas, upanishads, smruthis, puraanaas, ithihaasams, and ather sanskrit works have been the great contribution of European scholars. This is irrefutable. That applies to South Indian languages too.
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There are many Indians even today, who speak and write chaste English, with least effort, (like sankark and arasi madam ).
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Vocabulary and pronunciation contests are routinely won by diaspora children in USA
. In UK they have removed the Bard's plays from the syllabus but it is a must in Indian colleges and even schools.
It has got nothing to do with any group as such but with exceptional individuals in all countries , who have the open mind, diligence, equipment and monumental capacity for hard work .

It is already being said that Chinese students are becoming experts in Western Classical music and it may be that there are Indians too who are fast catching up.
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That said, the all-round perfection of Smt.MS rendering 'vadavaraiyai' can never be fully appreciated by anyone, even Indians, even Tamils, unless they have a background in so many things like ancient tamil literature, vaishnavam, raga system, and orchestration.
Even now, why that particular immortal poem ,repeatedly, extols the role of the Lord in attempting the negotiation of peace , is really intriguing and sublime.
Third stanza -
(Hindolam) "Nadantha adi, panchavarkku thoothaaka Nadanth adi"
நடந்த அடி ,பஞ்சவர்க்கு தூதாக நடந்த அடி
-,
Sixth stanza-Kaapi
"pancchavarku thoothu Nadanthaanai '
-பஞ்சவர்க்கு தூது நடந்தானை -
So it is with the classic ' jagadhoddhaaraNa'.

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RSR wrote: 09 Aug 2022, 08:44 t is amazing to note that sanskrit lexicons, translations with commentary, of vedas, upanishads, smruthis, puraanaas, ithihaasams, and ather sanskrit works have been the great contribution of European scholars. This is irrefutable.
Oh! it is starting - the refutation that is : https://www.academia.edu/39519900/Who_i ... on_10_90_1

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Oh! it is starting
you mean 'start l ing' .
? ...Not at all. Human sacrifice was (?) very common in primitive societies all over the world.
On a lighter vein, the current practice of tonsuring in some temples, is considered a substitute for removing the head itself. I think, there is a story in Periya puraaNam, about 'piLLaik kaRi' .
A wiki search for translations and translators for vedas, upanishads, dharma saastras, smruthis, epics, puraanaas, later sanskrit literature, lexicons, will be highly educative.
But for William Jones, ........
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J ... ilologist)

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Is this a viruttham ?
Ragamaalika viruttham in HINDI.
http://hindi-films-songs.com/1947069414 ... dukhan.mp3
DARAS BINA ..
(DESH, BAGESRI, PARAJ)
Timeless classic - 1947

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meera1947.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_14.html
TITLE MUSIC & SAROJINI SPEECH
Here are Sarojini Devi’s living words while introducing Subbulakshmi in the film Meera
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_i1mY ... RgYJEQXdYg
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“Every child in India has heard about Subbulakshmi for the beauty of her voice, the magic of her personality, the gracious charity
of her heart;
“I want my living words to go to the uttermost corners of the world so that people may realize how one great woman artiste in India has been able to move the hearts of millions and millions of men and women by her songs. I expect, I believe the feeling roused in me will be roused in every one who hears the enchanting voice of this enchanting singer who is abundantly gifted. It may not be known to many that that golden voice is an instrument of great causes.
“The story of Meera is the story of India, the story of Indian Faith and devotion and ecstasy. Meera, the princess poetess of India has
no equal, no sequel rather, in any part of the world . .

“And I am sure that whoever hears this wonderful voice, whoever watches the gestures of this wonderful artiste, whoever comes under the enchantment of her great gifts will agree with me that she is not an interpreter of Meera but Meera herself.
“I need no more words to commend her. She will take her to your hearts. You will cherish her; you will be proud that India in this generation has produced so supreme an artiste.”

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janaardhanaa...
sura.asurar paNi paadhaa
aruL thraathathum aeno
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kadalil kulitthoru muttheduttaen
kai Nazhuva viduvaayo
karuNaiyae purivaayo
gathi ilaen giridhaari
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What is the raagam of this great song? Madhyamaavathi ? Sriraagam?-
Perhaps, MaNirangu, Madhyammaavathi and Sriraagam sound similar with subtle differences. ? Thyagaraja kruthi 'Naama kusuma ' in Sriragam rendered by Alaththoor bros soaks me in bliss.
https://youtu.be/Xjh6lsFJn4M
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This song also sounds same , though the saint's composition is quintessential CM.
Great lyrics too, Paapanaasam Sivan.
https://meera1945.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_87.html
for lyrics, audio and fine video too.
What a far cry from Bangalore Ganesa festival sacrilege!

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A very early record given by Smt. MS
Thyagaraja Kruthi
venkatesa nunnu
Madhyamaavathi raagam
https://sites.google.com/view/msrecords ... hyamavathi
(thanks to Sri.Lakshman @Lakshman
translation in thamizh by Sri.V.Govindan

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MS SubbuLakshmi- Petra Thai-Viruttam- Nadanamakriya- VaLLalar Ramalinga SwamigaL-
followed by
'Arar Asaippadaar'- Muthu Thaandavar
NaadhaNaamakriya for both the viruttham and the kruthi
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https://youtu.be/Oo2zeJlHbjw
upload by Carnatic Ecstasy
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Has relevance to the following threads in General Discussion
On Viruttams
viewtopic.php?p=377361#p377361

On Prosody in CM
viewtopic.php?p=377528#p377528

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https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... aasaipadar

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பெற்ற தாய் தனை மக மறந்தாலும்
. பிள்ளையைப் பெரும் தாய் மறந்தாலும்
உற்ற தேகத்தை உயிர் மறந்தாலும்
. உயிரை மேவிய உடல் மறந்தாலும்
கற்ற நெஞ்சகம் கலை மறந்தாலும்
. கண்கள் நின்றிமைப்பது மறந்தாலும்
நற்றவத்தவர் உள்ளிருந்தோங்கும்
. நமச்சிவாயத்தை நான் மறவேனே

Petra thai thanai maga maranthalum
.. Pillayaip perum thai maranthalum
Utra degathai uyir maranthalum
.. Uyirai meviya udal maranthalum
Katra nenjagam kalai maranthalum
.. Kangal Nindrimmaipathu maranthalum
Natravathavar uLLirunthongum
.. Namachivaayathai naan maravene

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@shankarank
i think, 'rhyming' in the beginning word of ines in the lyrics (unlike in English, where it occurs at the end of the line) is a specialty of Thamizh poetry . All the poems in later-sangam and post-sangam period revel in that. ( around 200 AD).
There are very few poems in Thamizh for nearly 2000 years now, which do not have this feature. They would be rare .
But to find such rhymimg type in Sanskrit is equally rare.!
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I may be wrong but neither SANSKRIT nor the other south-indian languages closely related to Sanskrit, have this essential rhyming in the beginning of the lines.......atleast alternate lines.
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M S Subbulakshmi - Live at New Delhi,
1958

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Nādabhṛṅga brings you a special recording of Sangita Kalanidhi Vidushi Smt. M S Subbulakshmi from the archives, in connection with India's 75th Independence Day Celebrations.
This concert was performed at New Delhi sometime in 1958. We are extremely grateful to Sri V Shrinivasan for giving us this concert from his personal archives.
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This concert is made especially special as Smt. M S ends the concert with the National Anthem rather than the traditional mangalam

https://youtu.be/QYDIlksKhZ8
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M S Subbulakshmi
R K Venkatarama Shastri - Violin
V Nagarajan - Mridangam
Umayalpuram Kodhandarama Iyer - Ghatam
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1. vaiṣṇava janato (bhajan) - narsiṅh mehtā [00:00]
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2. vātāpi gaṇapatiṃ bhaje'ham - haṃsadhvanī - ādi - muddusvāmi dīkṣita [03:17]
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3. sabhāpatikku vēṟu deivam - ābhōgi - rūpakam - gōpālakṛṣṇa bhārati [12:29]
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4. nidhicāla sukhamā - kalyāṇī - miśra cāpu - tyāgarāja [24:50]
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5. kahāñ ke patheg (bhajan) - tulsīdās [45:55]
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6. prabhujī tum bin kaun sahāi (bhajan) - sūrdās [51:58]
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7. moreto giridhar gopāl (bhajan) - mīrābāi [57:09]
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8. bhaja re gopālaṃ mānasa - hindōḷa - ādi - sadāśiva brahmēndra [01:02:24]
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9. sarōjadaḷanētri himagiriputrī - śaṅkarābharaṇa - ādi - śyāma śāstri [01:11:00]
(tani āvartana missing from original tape)
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10. karacaraṇakṛtam (śloka - selection from "śivamānasapūjā stotram") - baulī - ādi śaṅkarācārya [01:42:18]
11. śaṃbhō mahādēva - baulī - rūpakam - nīlakaṇṭha śivan [01:44:18]
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12. nām japan kyoñ choḍ diyā (bhajan) - sant khālas [01:50:31]
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13. pag ghuṅghurū bāndh (bhajan) - mīrābāi [01:54:22]
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14. yād āve (bhajan) - rēhānā taiyabjī [01:58:36]
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15. bhāvayāmi raghurāmam - rāgamālikā - rūpakam - mahārāja svāti tiruṇāḷ [02:03:56]
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16. bhajo re bhaiyā (bhajan) - kabīrdās [02:20:58]
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17. muḍi onṟi (selection from "ennādan") - rāgamālikā - ādi - periyāḻvār [02:27:44]
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18. hari tum haro (bhajan) - mīrābāi [02:33:06]
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19. jana gaṇa mana adhināyaka jaya (National Anthem of India) - rabindranāth ṭhākur [02:36:21]
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( my note-This may not have been a conventional CM concert but a musical offering to mostly political and non-expert gathering- a very much mixed and predominantly North Indian Gandhiyan audience.
The time allotted to main CM kruthis is still the major part. , the bajans all told, hardly 30 minutes.
Secondly, her comparatively young voice- she was just 42 then
=== RSR)

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RSR wrote: 23 Feb 2022, 14:14 Kindly note that though they made use of so many Western musical instruments , they did NOT forsake their HM classical roots . It is not fusion music. It is just like the music of AKC Natarajan in Clarinet,
Kadri in Saxophone, Srinivas in Mandolin, ...orthodox music in western instruments.
on this subject, here's a little film,
done with a light touch.

"The Carnatic Cornet" [2016]

https://vimeo.com/174536623

"Venkat is attempting to do something that has never been done before, play the south Indian classical Carnatic music on the cornet. The Carnatic Cornet follows Venkat Ganesan the week leading up to his first live performance, and testimonies from his friends, family, and peers describe the long, painful, and many times funny road that Venkat walked in order to learn and play the complex Carnatic music on the foreign instrument."

Image

- GTG

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MS Subbulakshmi - Radio Concert, 1958
MS Subbulakshmi - RK Venkatarama Sastri - V Nagarajan performing in Delhi for a radio concert sometime in
1958.
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https://youtu.be/I3dLXcKLUPs

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Uploaded by Balu Karthikeyan

MS Subbulakshmi - RK Venkatarama Sastri - V Nagarajan
performing in Delhi for a
radio concert sometime in
1958.
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Programme List:
Start: 0:00
1. Meenakshi Memudam - Poorvikalyani - Adi talam - 0:06
2. Pakkala Nilabadi - Kharaharapriya - Misra Chapu talam - 13:33
3. Shambo Mahadeva - Bowli - Rupaka talam - 31:16
4. RTP - Shankarabharanam - "Chandrakaladhara Samba Sadashiva" - 36:28
(w/thani-avartanam starting at: 1:03:50)
5. Shri Rangapuravihara - Brindavana Saranga - Rupaka talam - 1:05:30
6. Gave Guni Ganika (Bhajan) - Desh - Eka talam - 1:11:36
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jao jao nand ki laalaa
baagesree raagam
Lata Mangeshkar
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https://youtu.be/NDxUNcWbJ4A

FIlM -RUNGOLI
Shankar-Jaikishan music
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(1962) when Lata was about 32

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RSR,
This was perhaps one of the last movies I saw before moving abroad--and didn't hear the song again even when I started listening to old movie songs later by way of tapes. I remember Sandhya's pouty face as she pranced around to convey the 'jAo jAo' mood! Lovely singing by Lata...except at the end when her singing the jAo jAo has an uncharacteristic touch??

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RSR,
The film is Navrang. Isn't it?

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@arasi
Madam, The song is from Rungoli,
.Vyjayanthi dances to this tune. .
.It was all so long back ..though comparatively recent for the 1950 fans of Lata-ji
It is a wonder that you still remember the tune. Thank you.

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I really goofed :(
I can see why Sandhya came to mind! All right, before Navrang, she had danced (sort of!) in Jhanak Jhanak pAyal bhAjE to the song 'saiyAn jAo jAo mujhsE na bOlO--the very first technicolor film jh jh pAyal BhAjE directed by Shantharam. The same kind of mood is conveyed in that song too.

The Rungoli one jAo jAo with Vyjayanthimala is in black and white, I guess...

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ref-p-239 by @arasi
Madam, Yes. Rungoli was in B&W and unlike the dance 'alaaripu' in NewDelhi, (prelude to 'muraLI bairan song)it was not particularly, good.
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Recently, I viewed a video interview by Ingrid Begman,(1915-1984) almost exact contemporary of Smt.Indira, (striking resemblance , especially
in 1970-1984)where she has succinctly pointed out why the film is a better media than the 'theater' stage .and why she chose a film career.

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needhucharana
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_i1mY ... gQZBq9Z28Q

1938 -Smt.MS in Sevasadhanam, her first film. She was 22 then. The still shows Director K.Subramanyam, his second wife and the child star Baby Saroja of 'THYAGABOOMI' film- novelette by Kalki.
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https://youtu.be/AsRyI3WctJk
Neethu Charana Pankaja - Kalyani - From the film Seva Sadan-1938
Pallavi Gopala Iyer composition
uploaded by
Vintage Voices Of South India
The introductory frames show how 78 rpm and MS were so popular in the decade 1940-1950.

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Mere Watan Se Achchha -
Lata sings for a graceful dance by Vaijayanthi
A patriotic song on India
Film Ladki- 1953
https://youtu.be/EV8k4M7X3s0

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Video/song SET 01-10/24, 1930's/40's movie classics,
Sakuntalai ,
"Analantha Jaya Jaya",
M.S.Subbulakshmi---
https://youtu.be/RdgA1XWu3ZM
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uploaded by MAQ Saleem
This is one among the few songs sung by Smt.MS , in the 1940 film, 'Sakunthalai'. , a very rare upload by SALEEM , as it is not included in the 33 RPM LP issued by Saregama.

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from the
LISTING OF THE TWENTY TWO (22) Sakuntalai songs published
SAKUNTHALAI
FILM -1940
video/song clips uploaded by MAQ SALEEM
Smt.MSSubbulakshmi
14/24,

" Enadannai karuNnai taane" - M S

https://youtu.be/FVuBv5M8Rl8
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ஆசிரமத்தில் 'எங்கும் நிறை நாதப்பிரம்மம்' என்ற பாட்டைச் சகுந்தலை பாட ஆரம்பித்ததும், என் எண்ணம் மாறிவிட்டது.

"Engum Nirai Nada Brammam"
https://youtu.be/ZGuQobL_y48
Smt.MS in 1940 classic Sakuntalai
video/song upload by MAQ SALEEM
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Is the raagam 'Navroz'?
Kalki makes a special mention of this song and scene in his review of the film 'Sakunthalai.'
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https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... halai-film
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முக்கியமாக ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ்.ஸின் நடிப்பைக் குறித்து நான் சொன்னது போதவே போதாதுதான். ''சகுந்தலா'' படத்தில் அவர் பாடியிப்பதைவிட இன்னும் எவ்வளவோ உயர்வாக இப்போது கச்சேரிகளில் அவர் பாடுகிறார். ஆனால், இந்தப் படத்தில் அவர் நடித்திருப்பதைக் காட்டிலும் சிறந்த நடிப்பை நாம் இதுவரையில் எங்குமே பார்த்தது கிடையாது. பேச்சினாலும் பாட்டினாலுங்கூட வெளிப்படுத்த முடியாத இருதய உணர்ச்சிகளையெல்லாம் முகபாவத்தினாலேயே அல்லவா வெளிப்படுத்தி விடுகிறார்? படத்தின் முதற் பகுதியில் வரும் காதல் காட்சிகளில், அவருடைய முகத்தில் வியப்பு, பயம், நாணம், இன்பம் ஆகிய உணர்ச்சிகள் மாறி மாறியும் ஏககாலத்திலும் எவ்வளவு ஆச்சர்யமாகப் பிரதிபலிக்கின்றன! ராஜ சபைக் காட்சியில், ''அடபாவி!'' என்று ஆரம்பிக்கும் போது முகத்தில் கொதிக்கும் கோபம் ஒரு கண நேரத்தில் அளவிறந்த துக்கமாக மாறிவிடும் அற்புதத்தை என்னவென்று சொல்வது? கடைசிக் காட்சியில், துஷ்யந்தன் மனம் மாறியவனாய் வரும்போது, சகுந்தலையின் உள்ளத்தில் சுயகெளரவமும் பதிபக்தியும் ஆத்திரமும் ஆனந்தமும் ரோஸமும் கருணையும் போராடுவதை அவருடைய முகபாவம் எவ்வளவு தெளிவாய்க் காட்டிவிடுகின்றது!

''சகுந்தலை'' ஒரு சிரஞ்சீவிப் படம் என்பதில் எனக்கு எள்ளளவும் சந்தேகம் இல்லை. இந்தப் படத்தை ஒரு தடவையேனும் பார்த்த ரஸிகர்களின் உள்ளத்தில் அது எப்போதும் நிலை பெற்றிருக்கும் என்பது நிச்சயம்."
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@arasi madam - is requested to translate the above review
The last song and scene will be posted next . ..Real regal gesture!

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Lata Mangeshkar Sang In Front Of Nehru |
27 January 1963 |
Very Rare Video
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In 1963, Mangeshkar sang the now-iconic song, ‘Ae Mere Watan Ke Logon’, in front of the former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, which was written in the honour of soldiers who died in the India-China War in 1962.

https://youtu.be/zxAnQxgtBRg


"No autotune, pure soulful tone."

very rare real-time video worth preserving and sharing.
Lata was 33 then.

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"Pannedum NaaLaai"
a sad song in NaadhaNaamakriya
-the last song in Sakunthalai- 1940
Smt.MS
with video clip of the scene.
-
an upload by MAQ Saleem
- https://youtu.be/usLCEXUT69k

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Video/song SET 01-02 Cl /9 - 1930's/40's movie classics ,Sakuntalai Closing footage- MS
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FINAL SCENE - SAKUNTHALAI
1940
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-81ufwUas4M
upload by MAQ SALEEM
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Regal, majestic, dignified womanhood
No tears, no weeping
Just pardoning the unjust treatment.

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Chaakar Raakho Ji Mane Chaakar Raakho Ji -
Meera
1947
M.S. Subbulakshmi
,Naresh Bhattacharya
SEPL Vintage (film clip)
https://youtu.be/sdnIHUB7pxg

wonderfully filmed by ELLIS R.DUNGAN
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https://youtu.be/HSnWhnPoROE
(audio alone)
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WHAT IS THE RAAGAM OF THIS WONDERFUL TUNE?

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same bajan but different tune
(IS IT IN BAAGESREE?)
music director- Vasanth Desai
singer - LATA MANGESHKAR (age-26)
film- Toofan aur diya
(for actress NANDA)
1956
https://youtu.be/H22YCcWfGUE

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LYRICS
as sung by Smt.MS
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Chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
Chakar rakho
chakar rakho
Chakar rakho ji
-
Chakar rakho chakar rakho
Chakar rakho chakar rakho
Chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
==

Chakar rahsu bag laga su
Nit nit darshan paa su
Chakar rahsu bag laga su
Nit nit darshan paa su
.
Vrindawan ki kunj gali mein
Teri leela dasu
.
Mane chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
========

Mor mukut pitambar sohe
Gale vaijanti mala
Mor mukut pitambar sohe
Gale vaijanti mala
.
Varidawan mein dhen charave
Varidawan mein dhen charave
Mohan murli wala
Mane chakar rakho ji
-
Chakar rakho chakar rakho
Chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
=

Unche unche mahal banau
Vich vich rakhu bari
Hare hare bag laga du
Bich bich rakhu kyari
.
Sawariya ke darsha paa su
Sawariya ke darsha paa su
Mane chakar rakho ji
==
Chakar rah su bag laga su
Nit nit darshan paa su
Vrindawan ki kunj gali me
Teri leela dasu
Chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
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Jogi aaya jog karan ko
Tap karne sanyasi
.
Parbhi ji jogi aaya
Jogi aaya
Jogi aaya jog karan ko
Tap karne sanyasi
Jogi aaya jog karan ko
Tap karne sanyasi
.
Hari bhajan ko sadhu aaya
Virndawan ke vasi
Tere virndawan ke vasi
Mane chakar rakho ji
Chakar rakho ji
Mane chakar rakho ji
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Meera ke parbhu kahat kabira
Parbhu ji meera
Meera ke parbhu kahat kabira
Parbhu ji meera
.
Meera ke parbhu kahat kabira
Aan haro ji peeda
Meera ke parbhu kahat kabira
Aan haro ji peeda
.
Meera ke parbhu kahat kabira

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मने चाकर राखो जी
चाकर राखो जी।

चाकर रहसूं
बाग लगासूं
नित उठ
दरसण पासूं।

बिंद्राबन की
कुंजगलिन में
तेरी लीला गासूं॥
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2
मोर मुकुट
पीतांबर सोहै
गल बैजंती माला।

बिंद्राबन में धेनु चरावे
मोहन मुरलीवाला॥
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3
जोगी आया जोग करणकूं
तप करणे संन्यासी।

हरी भजनकूं साधू आया
बिंद्राबन के बासी॥
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4
मीरा के प्रभु गहिर गंभीरा
सदा रहो जी धीरा।

आधी रात प्रभु दरसन
दीन्हें प्रेमनदी के तीरा॥

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1
O Lord, keep me as your servant

I shall be your servant and tend a garden for you.
Everyday, I shall wake up and get to see you.
--
In the bowers and lanes of Brindavan,
I shall sing of your divine pranks

2
This cowherd, with beautiful coiffure ,
adorned with a crown of peacock feathers,
and clad in yellow garments,
with garland of 'vaijayanthi' flowers, around his neck,
playing sweet tunes in his flute,
grazes the cattle.

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3
The Yogi comes to practise Yoga
while the ascetic comes to practise austerities
The devotee comes here to sing the praises of Krishna
All of them are residents of Brindavan
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4
Oh my tranquil and majestic Lord i!
Reside in my heart O brave one!
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In the middle of the night
on the banks of Yamuna,the river of affection
, the Lord gave me a vision .
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Watch "Lata Mangeshkar - Album: Chala Des Wahi Lata Sings Meera Bhajans - Vo 1" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/Tmxb51FFvRQ
.......

Watch "Meera Bhajans - M.S. Subbulakshmi | Mai Haricharan Ki | Chakar Rakho Ji | Carnatic Classical Songs" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Ik-RVrduzhQ

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