T.R.Mahalingam - Mali (Flute)
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Well, without posting the music, can I request someone who has the mali concert with thavil accompaniment - posted long, long ago, and probably deleted now - to post the songlist? There are 11 tracks, and I'm having difficulty identifying some (most) of them... I think the musicans/accomanyists were as follows:
Flute - Mali and Hyderabad Srinivasan
Thavil - Valangaiman Shanmughasundaram
Mridangam - Tanjore Upendran
Thanks!
Niranjan
Flute - Mali and Hyderabad Srinivasan
Thavil - Valangaiman Shanmughasundaram
Mridangam - Tanjore Upendran
Thanks!
Niranjan
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Mali often dubbed as "never before-never after phenomenon" has just changed the idea of flute playing in the carnatic minds. People still have evergreen memories of tossing coins to see whether Mali would come or not. And after he comes, will he play or not?..But once he starts playing, its a different experience.
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... _purna.mp3
Try this track...Amazing expression of the raga. Moves you to tears.
http://rapidshare.de/files/29442847/End ... u.mp3.html
This is a concert held in trichy. Accompanied by TN Krishnan and Ramabadran I suppose. Time line would be late 50's. Pardon the recording quality. Its amazing how Mali could play just a kirtanai with so much variety.
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... _purna.mp3
Try this track...Amazing expression of the raga. Moves you to tears.
http://rapidshare.de/files/29442847/End ... u.mp3.html
This is a concert held in trichy. Accompanied by TN Krishnan and Ramabadran I suppose. Time line would be late 50's. Pardon the recording quality. Its amazing how Mali could play just a kirtanai with so much variety.
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Here is one more
http://rapidshare.de/files/29445718/Ham ... m.mp3.html
This has a very soulful rendition of Hamsanadham raagam. Timelines/accompaniments unknown.
http://rapidshare.de/files/29445718/Ham ... m.mp3.html
This has a very soulful rendition of Hamsanadham raagam. Timelines/accompaniments unknown.
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A 10 min clip of a documentary on Flute Mali was recently posted on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUSsOVtAnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBlMa3zFQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUSsOVtAnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBlMa3zFQM
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For downloading audio and video files of Mali and other vidwans such as Sheikh Chinnamoulana, MMI, S. Rajam, etc. try http://www.vidwan.com
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http://www.vidwan.com this website does not open at all. there is some error. it displays an error message.
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www.vidvan.com has 1 concert of mali. not many recordings are available.
does anybody kw whr to find more of his recordings.
please help
does anybody kw whr to find more of his recordings.
please help
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Today in the hindu , an outstanding article was published featuring Flute MAli. The article says MAli's fear stemmed more from not being able to meet the stringent standards he set for himself.
Interestingly I found a great square cut master liking MAli too...read on...
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/11/10/stor ... 680300.htm
Interestingly I found a great square cut master liking MAli too...read on...
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/11/10/stor ... 680300.htm
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: http://rapidshare.com/files/12200878/01 ... m.mp3.html
from a concert ,where he was accompanied by Dwaram Mangathayaru-UKS-Upendran
from a concert ,where he was accompanied by Dwaram Mangathayaru-UKS-Upendran
http://rapidshare.com/files/13023446/mo ... i.mp3.html
Man.This artist is unbelievable !!
What an alapana in Mohana..
Man.This artist is unbelievable !!
What an alapana in Mohana..
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kaapi
I will do it tomorrow(if nobody else does it by then)
divakar
I must thank thatwamasi's(member here) Dad for the work he has done in unscrambling the concerts of mali and picking up these gems.You can certainly expect more of these inspired moments.
BTW here is a short video clip of thatwamasi playing the flute-many years ago.
Sam- your brother is here on the Mridangam.
http://rapidshare.com/files/13160937/TH ... I.MPG.html
I will do it tomorrow(if nobody else does it by then)
divakar
I must thank thatwamasi's(member here) Dad for the work he has done in unscrambling the concerts of mali and picking up these gems.You can certainly expect more of these inspired moments.
BTW here is a short video clip of thatwamasi playing the flute-many years ago.
Sam- your brother is here on the Mridangam.
http://rapidshare.com/files/13160937/TH ... I.MPG.html
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Nice play between the two between 8-10 minutes..coolkarni wrote:http://www.badongo.com/file/2310721
hypnotising mohana in the company of M Chandru.
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I had the good fotune of meeting Mali sir many times and discussing at length many things, thanks to Late N.S.Srinivasan, afore mentioned Hyderabad Srinivasan.
Regarding Mali's music, there can not be any other opinion than heavenly.
Mali the man, was such a fun loving, light hearted kind soul.
He called me his friend. My Goodness!
He was staying in a Hotel in Hyderabad.
Incidentally Chourasia also came there.
Next morning when I went there, there was a " Dont disturb" notice hanging on the door.
I was to see him under any circumstance and barged in.
He said the board is " not for you! It is for that Chourasia fellow!"
I dont know if I am right in sharing thses things.
I asked him what brings the best joy to him.
He jokingly said, " If the concert is cancelled after the advance is given!. He also said the cancellation should be not because of him, but on some other account.
A receptionist at this hotel came to identify him and promptly requested him to teach playing flute.
Mali sir accepted!
That evening he asked me " Do you know who is my latest disciple" and narrated the matter.
It never happened that the boy learnt anything from him.
I offered to write a book aboutMali Sir.
He accepted the proposal.
Alas,It was never to happen.
When Srinivasan wrote an article about his Guru for Shruti, he asked me also to write some lines as a box item.
I did write it. Srinivasan liked it.
The magazine people never printed it.
Mali Sir was a great man. then a great musician.
Regarding Mali's music, there can not be any other opinion than heavenly.
Mali the man, was such a fun loving, light hearted kind soul.
He called me his friend. My Goodness!
He was staying in a Hotel in Hyderabad.
Incidentally Chourasia also came there.
Next morning when I went there, there was a " Dont disturb" notice hanging on the door.
I was to see him under any circumstance and barged in.
He said the board is " not for you! It is for that Chourasia fellow!"
I dont know if I am right in sharing thses things.
I asked him what brings the best joy to him.
He jokingly said, " If the concert is cancelled after the advance is given!. He also said the cancellation should be not because of him, but on some other account.
A receptionist at this hotel came to identify him and promptly requested him to teach playing flute.
Mali sir accepted!
That evening he asked me " Do you know who is my latest disciple" and narrated the matter.
It never happened that the boy learnt anything from him.
I offered to write a book aboutMali Sir.
He accepted the proposal.
Alas,It was never to happen.
When Srinivasan wrote an article about his Guru for Shruti, he asked me also to write some lines as a box item.
I did write it. Srinivasan liked it.
The magazine people never printed it.
Mali Sir was a great man. then a great musician.
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I had known & visited with Sri.Flute.Mali (often)who was the most misunderstood Genius of our times. He was very normal if you approached him in a genuine fashion. Actually when I was a demonstrator at Presidency College making 85 Rs/Month salary & a real nobody (tho' being here as a scientist-NASA, LOS ALAMOS LABS etc people would not say such things now!)) once when I visited him he played Ninnuvina just for me at his apt-he used to live near Hamilton Bridge at that time -immediately after a non-show at music academy! He was a very sensitive person & all the useless drivel talk about him affected him to such an extent one concert he had 12 persons on stage & he turned & played the request to each person facing him. This meant he was mostly showing his back to the audience most of the time. Of course they were talking about his consuming alcohol even when he was drinking water.But the music&magic was such no one left! A Divinely inspired Artist....Recently the class of '57(Physics) in Presidency College had a Reunion in which I was asked to speak about my highlights there & I said the highlight was when I managed to arrange a cricket match in Marina grounds for Mali in which except me & him everyone else was either a Ranjitrophy player or at least University player. Most Misunderstood Genius in my life time. Let us realise we were lucky enough to meet & experience probably the BEST using any criterion like "the man who knew infinity" RAMANUJAN! VKV
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Is there a reason why Mali preferred to play mostly compositions of Saint Thyagaraja? I have not come across many recordings of Mali with compositions from either Dikshitar or Shyama Shastri. If any of you have come across such renditions of Mali please post the link.
PJ
PJ
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I can only speculate or guess why he played mostly Thyagaraja compositions. To my knowledge he also played a smaller number of compositions of Thyagaraja repeatedly. While I am not aware of anyone asking him why he did not render the other trinity compositions more I am aware of his being asked why he played only a smaller number of compositions. The answer by way of an analogy with Madurai Mani Iyer when he was asked why he chose to sing Vataphi Ganapathim SO MANY TIMES his reply was (paraphrasing): I am trying to render ot perfectly at least once! Mali was very research oriented & studied EVERY aspect of anything he did reg. music. His tendency was to study, try & explore EVERY technical aspect of the music. So as a reserch scientist myself I can relate to exploring in depth everything he chose to play because insights as well as breakthroughs & innovations usually happen the hard way! That is extensive exploration. In Mali's case his genius as well as technical abilities were far above ordinary mortals & the fact he rendered fewer compositions in my view did not matter. Also the fact the compositions unless rendered Vocally can never reach ALL the nuances of language etc which ultimately makes the difference in context, meaning etc more meaningful might have played a role why he decided to play fewer number etc. Just guesses on my part. It would be nice to know why he chose that route! vkv
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Thanks for your perspective. Your observation that he played a small set of Thyagaraja compositions repeatedly is spot on. Then again, both of our observations may be just a manifestation of the small sample set of his recordings that are available to us that it may not be correct to jump into the conclusion.
One of my observations has been that Mali spends a lot of time in his concerts playing the raaga and swara prastharams - where he is a master and in a league of his own. This is also where a musician can showcase his talent. When he is rendering the composition he is usually playing in the 'mandra sthayi' giving the lead to the violinist. Since Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis are heavy compositions unlike Thyagaraja's compositions which are rich in bhava, it is possible that he choose the compositions with more 'bhava' (and hence amenable to his playing in mandra sthayi) than compositions that are heavy on technicalities. These are just my opinions, which might well be wrong!
If someone who has had the opportunity to closely interact and attend his concerts can give their opinion it would be very nice and instructive. Also, if someone can list the Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis that he has rendered it would be very informative.
One of my observations has been that Mali spends a lot of time in his concerts playing the raaga and swara prastharams - where he is a master and in a league of his own. This is also where a musician can showcase his talent. When he is rendering the composition he is usually playing in the 'mandra sthayi' giving the lead to the violinist. Since Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis are heavy compositions unlike Thyagaraja's compositions which are rich in bhava, it is possible that he choose the compositions with more 'bhava' (and hence amenable to his playing in mandra sthayi) than compositions that are heavy on technicalities. These are just my opinions, which might well be wrong!
If someone who has had the opportunity to closely interact and attend his concerts can give their opinion it would be very nice and instructive. Also, if someone can list the Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis that he has rendered it would be very informative.
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Dear pjguru,
I AM VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN POURSUING YOUR VERY RELEVENT OBSERVATIONS TO THE NEXT LEVEL. I AM ALREADY COMMITTED TO VARIOUS PROJECTS THO' MY HEART IS IN THE AREA YOU HAVE POINTED OUT.
i AM WILLING TO COPY ALL THE Mali concerts & mail them to you- the ones I have -if you are interested in pursuing this further. Do you live in USA or where do you live? I come to India every year: jan& feb for sure. Lets discuss thru' email: mine is: vkv43034@yahoo.com
Thanks for your perspective. Your observation that he played a small set of Thyagaraja compositions repeatedly is spot on. Then again, both of our observations may be just a manifestation of the small sample set of his recordings that are available to us that it may not be correct to jump into the conclusion. ...I CAN DEFINITELY ASSERT- BASED ON MY PERSONAL INTERACTIONS WITH HIM- THAT HE WAS FULLY CONVERSANT& KNEW FAR MORE THAN HE PRESENTED JUSDT LIKE ARIYAKUDI& MMI FOR VARIOUS VERY GOOD REASONS.
One of my observations has been that Mali spends a lot of time in his concerts playing the raaga and swara prastharams - where he is a master and in a league of his own. This is also where a musician can showcase his talent.
TRUE BUT COULD IT BE BEC HE FELT INSTRUMENTAL CAN NEVER EQUAL VOICE WHEN IT CAME TO COMPOSITIONS. MOST OF THE AUDIENCES ARE NOT LIKELY TO KNOW THE NUANCES OF THE COMPOSITIONS?
When he is rendering the composition he is usually playing in the 'mandra sthayi' giving the lead to the violinist.
HE MIGHT HAVE FELT ONE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH REG. COMPOSITIONDS FOR REASON STATED ABOVE?
Since Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis are heavy compositions unlike Thyagaraja's compositions which are rich in bhava, it is possible that he choose the compositions with more 'bhava' (and hence amenable to his playing in mandra sthayi) than compositions that are heavy on technicalities.
IT'S OBVIOUS THYAGARAJA WAS A DIFFERENT COMPOSER IN THAT HE COULD COMBINE BHAVA, MUSIC, AS WELL AS TECHNICALITIES LIKE MMI. INCIDENTALLY WHEN MALI WAS ASKED AS TO WHOM ONE SHD LISTEN TO HE RIGHTAWAY SAIS IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO GOOD MUSIC HE SAID GO LISTEN TO MMI! MAY BE THERE IS A CLUE HERE SOMEWHERE?
These are just my opinions, which might well be wrong!
IT IS BETTER TO BE WRONG THAN SAY ANYTHING THAT COULD BE RIGHT?
If someone who has had the opportunity to closely interact and attend his concerts can give their opinion it would be very nice and instructive. Also, if someone can list the Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis that he has rendered it would be very informa.....
PL SEE MY STATEMENT IN FIRST PART. VKV
I AM VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN POURSUING YOUR VERY RELEVENT OBSERVATIONS TO THE NEXT LEVEL. I AM ALREADY COMMITTED TO VARIOUS PROJECTS THO' MY HEART IS IN THE AREA YOU HAVE POINTED OUT.
i AM WILLING TO COPY ALL THE Mali concerts & mail them to you- the ones I have -if you are interested in pursuing this further. Do you live in USA or where do you live? I come to India every year: jan& feb for sure. Lets discuss thru' email: mine is: vkv43034@yahoo.com
Thanks for your perspective. Your observation that he played a small set of Thyagaraja compositions repeatedly is spot on. Then again, both of our observations may be just a manifestation of the small sample set of his recordings that are available to us that it may not be correct to jump into the conclusion. ...I CAN DEFINITELY ASSERT- BASED ON MY PERSONAL INTERACTIONS WITH HIM- THAT HE WAS FULLY CONVERSANT& KNEW FAR MORE THAN HE PRESENTED JUSDT LIKE ARIYAKUDI& MMI FOR VARIOUS VERY GOOD REASONS.
One of my observations has been that Mali spends a lot of time in his concerts playing the raaga and swara prastharams - where he is a master and in a league of his own. This is also where a musician can showcase his talent.
TRUE BUT COULD IT BE BEC HE FELT INSTRUMENTAL CAN NEVER EQUAL VOICE WHEN IT CAME TO COMPOSITIONS. MOST OF THE AUDIENCES ARE NOT LIKELY TO KNOW THE NUANCES OF THE COMPOSITIONS?
When he is rendering the composition he is usually playing in the 'mandra sthayi' giving the lead to the violinist.
HE MIGHT HAVE FELT ONE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH REG. COMPOSITIONDS FOR REASON STATED ABOVE?
Since Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis are heavy compositions unlike Thyagaraja's compositions which are rich in bhava, it is possible that he choose the compositions with more 'bhava' (and hence amenable to his playing in mandra sthayi) than compositions that are heavy on technicalities.
IT'S OBVIOUS THYAGARAJA WAS A DIFFERENT COMPOSER IN THAT HE COULD COMBINE BHAVA, MUSIC, AS WELL AS TECHNICALITIES LIKE MMI. INCIDENTALLY WHEN MALI WAS ASKED AS TO WHOM ONE SHD LISTEN TO HE RIGHTAWAY SAIS IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO GOOD MUSIC HE SAID GO LISTEN TO MMI! MAY BE THERE IS A CLUE HERE SOMEWHERE?
These are just my opinions, which might well be wrong!
IT IS BETTER TO BE WRONG THAN SAY ANYTHING THAT COULD BE RIGHT?
If someone who has had the opportunity to closely interact and attend his concerts can give their opinion it would be very nice and instructive. Also, if someone can list the Dikshitar and Shyama Shastri kritis that he has rendered it would be very informa.....
PL SEE MY STATEMENT IN FIRST PART. VKV
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Dear Sir,
I'm really gratefull to you for sharing your thoughts and offering your help in pursuing this inquiry further. I would be very glad to be a part of this. It is very generous of you to share your collection of Mali renderings with me. Right now I'm based in USA pursuing my graduate studies. Thanks for your contact information. I shall contact you personally. Also, for the benefit of other enthusiasts we can post relevant information that we gather during the process here in this forum.
I'm really gratefull to you for sharing your thoughts and offering your help in pursuing this inquiry further. I would be very glad to be a part of this. It is very generous of you to share your collection of Mali renderings with me. Right now I'm based in USA pursuing my graduate studies. Thanks for your contact information. I shall contact you personally. Also, for the benefit of other enthusiasts we can post relevant information that we gather during the process here in this forum.