Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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Pratyaksham Bala
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sundarEshvaruni jUci on Lord Sundareshvara (Shiva)

Ramakrishnan Murthy
https://youtu.be/1ypiFP7LBOg?t=1

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c2875.shtml

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shiva shiva shiva enarAdA

D K Jayaraman
https://youtu.be/lg5pW7axlwM?t=15

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c1443.shtml

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Isha paahimaam

Abhishek Raghuram
https://youtu.be/Zew9hOAp6gE?t=1

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c2366.shtml

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Ee vasudha on Lord Sundaresha (Shiva) of Kovur

G N Balasubramaniam
https://youtu.be/Ax_ohVudgkM?t=1

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c2369.shtml

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Nada tanumanisham on Lord Shankara (Shiva)

Ranjani and Gayatri
https://youtu.be/7jVB8d1vOmg?t=1

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c1184.shtml

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muccaTa brahmADulaku on Lord Tyagaraja (Shiva)

R Vedavalli
https://youtu.be/eoWroRn2nlg?t=1

Lyrics & Meaning :
https://karnatik.com/c2565.shtml

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Pb ,
I know you are very level headed. This thread though named with kritis in bracket is about vaggeyakkara thyagaraja. Everyday with you putting just a link of karnatik and one singer link is turning out to be like RSR post.

I suggest if you have some writeup on something specific you can continue. IF Someone reads this thread after few years they need not pass through a 700 one liners of link to T krithi that too considering sadguru has 700 krithis.

Appreciate all your posts these one liners can be stopped as they are very un PB ish. All our posts has to be found and enjoyed by future rasikas, let us leave great legacy for them to read all posts. :). I would like to hear from you if you still think this one liner post is ok.

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@rajeshnat

You are too late or, shall I say, 'in time' !

Did you notice the '---' at the end of the last post, indicating that I have ended this series !

These links were given to Tyagaraja's 18(!) kritis on Lord Shiva !
(Quite a few of them may be new to many rasikas.)


PS:
Thanks for communicating with a great deal of indulgence.

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It's ok. This is after all a site to share and discuss music - and of late there was less music and more departed membership for a while, so it is welcome. But it may be that in the process of sharing, no discussion of these kritis even happen. I have a plan for a very specific set of Thyagaraja's compositions, but lack of time means I can't find time to write about ragas even, let alone this.

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rajeshnat wrote: 11 Mar 2020, 06:44.... This thread though named with kritis in bracket is about vaggeyakkara thyagaraja. Everyday with you putting just a link of karnatik and one singer link is turning out to be like RSR post.

I suggest if you have some writeup on something specific you can continue. ...

Appreciate all your posts these one liners can be stopped ... ... All our posts has to be found and enjoyed by future rasikas, let us leave great legacy for them to read all posts.
Mods:
I appreciate the points raised by the Member.

I shall be thankful if you will please delete all my Posts from #389 to #406.

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Srinathk
Pb has taken right decision.I suggest you to write in your notepad and then paste it here for each of your collated thoughts. Most of my long posts I only do that. You have done that few times for sure . For eg ur lovely raga posts. Too much of one or two liners demotivates active contribution from remaining 10000 rasikas.

As you say it is sad that there are not that many active posters . Musicians poach good active writers. Unfortunately most of them want it to be written only in private Facebook that way only that musician grows. Also rasikas.org is threatened by Facebook and whatsapp. In long to medium term rasikas.org will win .

Rasikas.org is like thyagaraja neatly indexed and will live for ever. Your grand child will read all posts if and only one or two liners stop. You personally help me on reducing everyday 80 percent posts that says notation request with
One usual reply that has "sent" as reply. It is ok to have one or two days where clicking active topics we get zero posts than -3rd day we get a post like crama reporting dikshitar vaibhavam or a srinath reporting on raga arabi. Those 2 days will be like mdr silence.

Pb,
Thank you for your action. We donot have to delete any posts .You have clarified . You are the finest varisu of ponbhairavi rajagopalan sir, hope some concerts happen in pondy please do report.

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rajeshnat wrote: 12 Mar 2020, 14:52... the finest varisu ...
Varisu ? Nope.
Where did you get that ?
We were just great friends, with distinct ideas, identities and preferences.

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rajeshnat wrote: 11 Mar 2020, 06:44.... All our posts has to be found and enjoyed by future rasikas, let us leave great legacy for them to read all posts. :) ....
Sincerely hope, these precise posts will satisfy the needs of many rasikas who may find it difficult to locate audio links for these kritis. For example, here is a ready case !

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7261&p=360789#p360789

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Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 24 Feb 2020, 07:03 .
‘shambhO shiva shankara’

By: Mangalam Shankar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT9vI-K-nSs

Lyrics;
Meaning by T K Govinda Rao :
https://karnatik.com/c2802.shtml
@rajeshnat

A friend of mine has requested for an audio link for the kriti 'shambhO shiva shankara' rendered by any of the great artists, namely, MVI, SSI, GNB, MMI, MSS, MLV, DKP, Voleti, Srikantan, Chembai or ... ...

With your great exposure to Carnatic Music, hope you may be able to help.

Thanks !

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@rajeshnat

I took the contents of your Post #407 in the right spirit, and requested our Mods to delete all my Posts from #389 to #406.

As and when Mods decide to delete these posts, as indicated by you I will take up one by one and add some interesting feature specific to each kriti. I would also change their look a bit more appealing so that they don't look monotonous.

By including appropriate keywords, I could also make them more search-friendly.

Reg the points raised in your Post #411, I will write shortly.

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Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 13 Mar 2020, 00:18 shambhO shiva shankara
By: Mangalam Shankar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT9vI-K-nSs

rajeshnat

A friend of mine has requested for an audio link for the kriti 'shambhO shiva shankara' rendered by any of the great artists, namely, MVI, SSI, GNB, MMI, MSS, MLV, DKP, Voleti, Srikantan, Chembai or ... ...

With your great exposure to Carnatic Music, hope you may be able to help.

Thanks !
PB,
YOu are the sherlock holmes in terms of searching . I did not know the krithi at all even searching here only has one link where your friends daughter nadasudha has heard the above mangalam shankar. Googling outside is taking me elsewhere to a bhajan.

@RaviSri
Since in the past you have put posts where you knew to trace rare T krithis into sub schools like walajahpet bhagavathar, thillaistanam, Lalgudi, etc you may be able to help on Shambhomahadeva - shankarabharanam - Thyagaraja krithi that PB asked.

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The points raised in Post #411 :
Too much of one or two liners demotivates active contribution from remaining 10000 rasikas.
Reducing everyday 80 percent posts that says notation request with one usual reply that has "sent" as reply.
Your grand child will read all posts if and only one or two liners stop.
Rasikas.org is designed to be inclusive ! There is room for learners, teachers, specialists, performers, rasikas, reviewers, helpers, providers et al.

People have different tastes. The focus, needs and expectations of them are varied. We cannot question their needs and expectations based on our personal preferences. And members of each group communicate differently. So, one has to ignore the form & style, and focus on the essence of the communication.

Here in Rasikas, the posts may be short or long. It is a fallacy that if a post is short, all are going to shun it; and if a post is lengthy all would love it. How can one be sure of the quality of the contents of a post? A number of them may have useful stuff. But there is also a possibility that a few of them may be stuffed with laughable trumpeting. On the other hand, a few oneliners may be the result of intense efforts. Harping on the length of the posts may divert our attention and deny us the opportunity to see the useful stuff.

Most of the Members might have joined the forum to seek some information. Their initial posts naturally would only be short, and the reply by other Members too would be short ! How can we decry these posts ? In fact, a new Member with a oneline query may one day become a great musician or a great rasika. Every ‘sent’ post that we see here in this Forum is the result of the labour of love of a dedicated Member. We have to admire and applaud these ‘sent’ posts, for they result in a smile and satisfaction on the part of the recipient. That is yet another feather on the cap of rasikas.org !

Active participation in the Forum is the personal decision of a Member. All may not like to post. So, how can we put the blame on the oneliners for their non-participation ? The universal rule of 80/20 applies here too.

As for our grandchildren, who knows, they may hate music !
Or they may look for brevity and essence, and hate lengthy posts !

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PB
Thank you for your great post . Please cut and paste(not copy and paste) the above content and put it in the thread
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34125&p=360862#p360862.
I will surely reply to your post in that thread.

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Post by kvchellappa »

Really a sensible post in a long while outside of music.
I feel that we should be open and not try to dovetail the forum to some formal structure and regulations other than decency and upholding the dignity of the artists and fellow rasikas.
Both CM and rasikas.org must be intrinsically healthy and vital for longevity. It cannot be achieved by some rules and marketing.
In fact, some may not go well with a very formalised format. It may sacrifice naturalness. Life has been possible because of variety, spontaneity and polarity. Anything to have life must follow this template.

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Post by RasikasModerator2 »

We welcome sharing of music by all rasikas. No one can be discouraged from participating except when decorum limits are crossed or worse. No one can insist that posting has to toe this line or that line. @Pratyaksham Bala is requested to keep posting any rare collections he may find. After a long time this part of the forum has seen some activity. In the future other rasikas may discuss them.

We also like to add that while RSR's opinions might have caused quite some friction and heated discussions, we have appreciated his efforts to share his music collections.

As our personal suggestion, maybe a group of kritis of a composer can feature in a single post or two. This would give 2 nice big posts. We feel the topic lends itself to that style very well.

@Pratyaksham Bala please don't ask us to delete your posts. We have no such intentions.

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RasikasModerator2 wrote: 14 Mar 2020, 18:34
As our personal suggestion, maybe a group of kritis of a composer can feature in a single post or two. This would give 2 nice big posts. We feel the topic lends itself to that style very well.
Tx we both are only saying the same point. Till I asked pb we all did not know, some one had to ask .
Other points will write in other thread.

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Tyagaraja has created 18 kritis on Lord Shiva. These have been handled by many carnatic musicians. Though a number of them may be familiar, a few are rare indeed.

Links to these 18 kritis rendered by select artists are provided in Post #389 to #406 of this thread. Given below is the complete list.

Post# and the kriti :-

389  evarunnAru
390  kOri sEvimparArE
391   shambhO shiva shankarA
392  nammi vachchina
393  dEvAdi dEva sadAshiva

394  shambhO mahAdEva
395  raga sudhArasa
396  dEva shrI tapastIrthapura
397  ilalO praNathaarthi hara
398  dharshanamu sEya

399  Ehi thrijagadheesha
400  sadAmadin dalatu
401  sundarEshvaruni jUsi
402  shiva shiva shiva enarAdA
403  Isha paahimaam

404  I vasuda
405  nAda tanumanisham
406  muccaTa brahmADulaku

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PB sir,
I cannot thank you enough for the links to Thyagaraja Kritis on Siva. Rajesh had expressed his own reasons against giving the links. But honestly, I had never searched for these links in the you tube nor have I taken any effort to go through the TKG book. Only when you posted the links, I heard the majestic renditions of these kritis by our famed musicians and read the meaning of the songs. There might be many forumites who would have benefitted like me. So your efforts were never a waste of time and energy. You can give a complete description about any song. Most welcome. But that does not prevent you from giving the link to any recording. Thanks again.

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Pb
Thank you I wish you had put an opening remark that you are collating krithis of lord shiva and also your special encrpted --- . All this was post mortem clarified only after I posted. We both have clarified and it is closed.
Cheers...

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both are only saying the same point
Yes.
But, one is a slightly strident comment.
The other, a mild suggestion !

I take both in the right spirit !
As I had mentioned earlier in some other context, "one has to ignore the form & style, and focus on the essence of the communication".

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rajeshnat wrote: 15 Mar 2020, 10:51 Pb
Thank you I wish you had put an opening remark that you are collating krithis of lord shiva and also your special encrpted --- . All this was post mortem clarified only after I posted. We both have clarified and it is closed.
Cheers...
A opening remark would not have changed the format. It is doubtful whether it would have drawn much attention. Instead I made sure to highlight with bold letters the word 'Shiva' in the first line of each post. But you did not notice them ! You noticed the posts as oneliners.

Our fellow rasika CRama has enjoyed each and every post as stand alone posts. As mentioned by him, many others too would have found the individual posts useful. In the coming days too, these would be found helpful when someone searches for these kritis.

I pointed out the '---' to you, just to convey that I have already ended the series, and that I am not stopping further posts just because of your intervention.

Ooph! I am treating this as closed.

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CRama wrote: 15 Mar 2020, 10:38 PB sir,
I cannot thank you enough for the links to Thyagaraja Kritis on Siva. Rajesh had expressed his own reasons against giving the links. But honestly, I had never searched for these links in the you tube nor have I taken any effort to go through the TKG book. Only when you posted the links, I heard the majestic renditions of these kritis by our famed musicians and read the meaning of the songs. There might be many forumites who would have benefitted like me. So your efforts were never a waste of time and energy. You can give a complete description about any song. Most welcome. But that does not prevent you from giving the link to any recording. Thanks again.
Thanks !
A refreshing breeze !

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kSINamai tiruga

Though this kriti has been handled by many great musicians, e.g. MVI, MDR, Voleti, SSI, MSS, …, the 80+ year old rendering by Bangalore Tayi may be interest to discerning rasiks :-

Bangalore Tayi – kSINamai tiruga
https://youtu.be/xDTf1AU3Uj4?t=16


@vgovindan has provided a wonderful analysis and detailed explanation of this krii at Post #8 in :
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=967&p=18247&hilit= ... uga#p18247

One may check this too :
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5305&p=77376&hilit ... uga#p77376

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Thanks PB for bringing this to our notice. Never heard this recording of Bangalore Thayi and understood the philosophical message contained therein. Thanks.

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nidhi cAla sukhamA?
In order to understand tyAgaraja's poser about the then poets and musicians, listen to what is said here about the famous Arunachala Kavirayar.
https://youtu.be/yHA1NFVjBc8?list=TLPQM ... kfQ&t=2313

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Enjoy the benefits, but don’t appreciate and thank ?

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Tyagaraja’s grandfather Giriraja Brahmam was in the Court of Shahaji, King of Thanjavur. His father Rama Brahmam received from the Thanjavur king, grant of a house and some landed property. Naturally they, and other family members, might have been praising the Kings profusely, though not in poetry format.

Perturbed by this nara-stuti, Tyagaraja might have composed the kriti ‘nidhi cAla sukhamA’, as a limited address to his own family members! But, it is being treated by others in a generic nature, and used erroneously to put down others in general.

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Someone has asked the meaning of the kRti 'baNTu rIti koluvu' in kannada. Can someone help pse?

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pb,
There is a Tamil proverb - அவிழ்த்துப் போட்டவன் ஊரிலே, கோவணம் கட்டினவன் பைத்தியக்காரன்'. Obviously when the whole community had become servile to money, a single person who wants to adhere to dharma, shunning money would, obviously be a laughing stock. And no one would be willing to accept such madness. No wonder.

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Post by Pratyaksham Bala »

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Addressing individual members, instead of discussing a subject, would discourage other willing members to participate in the discussion.

Anyway, hospitality was available. The gifted house was there to stay for years and years. It was also sold at a later date under signature!

So, it would be safer to assume that the kriti was addressed at some point of time to the members of the family who were wholeheartedly praising the benevolent Kings!

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pb,
Sorry for addressing you by name. It was not meant to discourage others.

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I think Sriram V has said that the story that the composer composed this song in response to the king's request is apocryphal. Several such stories are spun based on the lyrical text in respect of famous people. The meaning of the song is lofty without any anecdotal connection.

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There are only two kritis by Tyagaraja on vinAyakA. One is ‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ and the other ‘shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE’.

Here are links to the presentation of ‘girirAjasutA tanayA sadayA’ by two great musicians :

1949
Sangeetha Kalanidhi Mudikondan Venkatarama Iyer
https://youtu.be/219MgKPbozM?t=1

1967
M D Ramanathan
https://youtu.be/3hu33afwuPc?t=1

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"Madirimangalam Natesa Iyer acted as Tyagaraja in the Tamil movie ‘Bhaktha Sri Thyagaraja’ which came out in the year 1937.

"The movie had 32 songs and almost all were sung by Madirimangalam Natesa Iyer." This song is from that movie :-

kalinarulaku mahimalu
https://youtu.be/22TlncUkv1w?t=1

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rAma nI samAnamevaru
This familiar kriti of Tyagaraja has been rendered by almost all doyens. However, this earliest grammaphone recording by a famous musician of her time may be of interest to discerning rasikas.

1906
Miss Godaveri, Salem
https://youtu.be/RjkQLNj5iTs?t=1

For an informative article on the artist, please check The Hindu article of 2014 titled ‘The Voice of Salem Godavari’ by Vikram Sampath :
https://www.thehindu.com/features/frida ... 316834.ece

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Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 17 Apr 2020, 11:59 .
There are only two kritis by Tyagaraja on vinAyakA. One is ‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ and the other ‘shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE’.
‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ has already been covered in Post #438.

Here is the link to 'shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE' rendered by
Sirkazhi Govindarajan
https://youtu.be/wgB_NpSiRZc?t=1

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bAla kanakamaya
"This is one of the few kritis of Tyagaraja sung starting with the anupallavi (bAla kanakamaya) and then going on to the pallavi (Ela nI)."

1982
S. Janaki
https://youtu.be/foi-oseABiA?t=1

Titbit:
In 2013, S. Janaki’s name was announced for the Padma Bhushan award; but she rejected it saying that she deserved Bharat Ratna !

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@Pratyaksham Bala
Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 25 Apr 2020, 20:41
Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 17 Apr 2020, 11:59 .
There are only two kritis by Tyagaraja on vinAyakA. One is ‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ and the other ‘shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE’.
‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ has already been covered in Post #438.

Here is the link to 'shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE' rendered by
Sirkazhi Govindarajan
https://youtu.be/wgB_NpSiRZc?t=1
What about:
1. śrī gaṇanāthaṁ in kanakāṅgihttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTEEXV8rFo

2. abhīsṭa varada in hamsadhvani https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr869agfgfo

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Re: Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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Thanks !

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Re: Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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kmrasika wrote: 24 May 2020, 21:01 @Pratyaksham Bala
Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 25 Apr 2020, 20:41
Pratyaksham Bala wrote: 17 Apr 2020, 11:59 .
There are only two kritis by Tyagaraja on vinAyakA. One is ‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ and the other ‘shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE’.
‘girirAjasutA tanayA’ has already been covered in Post #438.

Here is the link to 'shrI ganapatini sEviMparArE' rendered by
Sirkazhi Govindarajan
https://youtu.be/wgB_NpSiRZc?t=1
What about:
1. śrī gaṇanāthaṁ in kanakāṅgihttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTEEXV8rFo

2. abhīsṭa varada in hamsadhvani https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr869agfgfo
Abhishta varada sree is a spurious kriti.

There's an entire set of kritis with the mudra Thyagaraja that are suspect. These kritis were published by Tiruvaiyyaru Subramania Iyer, a disciple of Panju Bhagavtar and published with the support of Maharajapuram Vishwanatha Iyer. There is more to discuss about these. Abhishta varada sree is part of that list and it is a spurious composition.

Other than this, the kritis in Simhendramadhyamam were those of K V Srinivasa Iyengar.

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Re: Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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Please see an article on this here:

http://www.carnaticcorner.com/articles/prakshipta.html

In addition to this, Nedunuri claimed to have unearthed some krtis obtained from palm leaves.

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Re: Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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From my experience, I have found that non-tyAgarAja kRtis are easily identifiable by looking at the purpose of kRti, its construction and language - wordings used.

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Re: Thyagaraja (Krithis)

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SrinathK wrote: 26 May 2020, 17:51 There's an entire set of kritis with the mudra Thyagaraja that are suspect. These kritis were published by Tiruvaiyyaru Subramania Iyer, a disciple of Panju Bhagavtar and published with the support of Maharajapuram Vishwanatha Iyer. There is more to discuss about these. Abhishta varada sree is part of that list and it is a spurious composition.
Might as well discuss these here.
The book referenced is here. One of the pieces is nīku sariyevarurā in maṇiraṅgu which was a staple of late SSI.

Aleppey Venkatesan has even given a concert featuring these pieces:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1U7xTq31T0

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To me, even at first glance, the language and words used in those kritis totally doesn't look like Thyagaraja's - even a complete illiterate in Telugu like yours truly finds it blatantly obvious. And the mudra is also not ok in many kritis (Sadhguru sri Thyagaraja and Sri Thyagaraja???). As for poetic details and all the errors that could be in prosody, others can confirm how the lines of these kritis compare to Swamigal's kritis.

Don't you think it is strange Thyagaraja composed so many Shiva kritis and Shiva sthalams (specifically saptasthalam) and no one ever knew about it for over a century? When did he visit all these places?

As all of them come from the same source, we might as well declare the whole set spurious.

If these musician composers wanted to popularize their own works, they could very well do so under their own names. But then it wouldn't suddenly get so popular would it? This is an unethical practice and it should be pointed out.

Only mucchaTa brahma the extra 27th kriti not part of that list of 26 is genuine. I have a recording of T Mukta singing it and also it has been notated by U Venkatrama Iyer. It is even mentioned in that book as such I am told.

I haven't yet gone into raga and tala details yet. But based on manuscript versions of his kritis, and what we are unearthing these days, there will be more bones to pick there I am sure.

From the view point of raga, tala, melody, and now this, the extended shishya parampara of Thyagaraja has a lot to answer. They had one job in preserving his kritis. And look what happened instead...

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In tamil, there is a proverb - oru pAnai sOTRukku oru sOru padam (ஒரு பானை சோற்றுக்கு ஒரு சோறு பதம்) meaning, to find out whether the rice is cooked or not, you just test one grain. Accordingly, I have taken one 'kRti' purported to have been written by SrI tyAgarAja. The kRti is reproduced below -

6th kRti

சிவாபராதமு ஸேய ராது
SivAparAdhamu sEya rAdu
(One should commit offence against Siva)

சிந்திஞ்சு விநவே ஓ மனஸா
cintincu vinavE O manasA
(Ponder, listen O my mind)

பவாப்தி தரணமு பாதிஞ்சக
bhavAbdhi taraNamu bAdhincaga
(without affecting crossing of saMsAra)

பாமருல கெவரு பாலிஞ்சுனு
pAmarula kevaru pAlincunu
(who will protect ordinary people)

ஸப்தகோடி மந்த்ரமு ஸதிவிஞ்சிதேநேமி
saptakOTi mantramu sadivincitEnEmi
(Of what avail teaching 7 crore mantras)

ஸத்யவ்ரதமு லெல்ல ஸாதிஞ்சிதேநேமி
satyavratamu lella sAdhincitEnEmi
(Of what avail accomplishishing penances of truth)

ஸர்வாதிகார ஸம்பந்நுடைதேநேமி
sarvAdhikAra sampannuDaitEnEmi
(Of what avail having all powers like an emperor)

ஸஹஸ்ரநாம போஜனமு ஜேஸிதே நேமி
sahasranAma bhOjamu jEsitE nEmi
(Of what avail doing sahasra nAma food offering?)

துர்ஜனுல தூஷிஞ்சிதே நேமி
durjanula dUshincitE nEmi
(Of what avail cursing evil)

ஸஜ்ஜனுல பூஷிஞ்சிதே நேமி
sajjanula bhUshincitE nEmi
(Of what avail praising good)

தர்ம கர்மமு ஜேஸிதே நேமி
dharma karmamu jEsitE nEmi
(Of what avail performing dharma karma?)

நிர்மல ஸ்ரீ த்யாகராஜு பொகடிதே நேமி
nirmal SrI tyAgarAju pogaDitE nEmi
(Of what avail if pure tyAgarAja praises)

Prasa - anuprasa :
Pallavi - Siva (1st line) cintincu (2nd line)

Meanings
A - bhavAbdhi taraNamu bAdhincaga - without affecting crossing of saMsAra ?

pAmarulakevaru pAlincunu - wrong usage - it could be 'pAmarulanevaru'

C - sapta kOTi mantramu cadivincitEnEmi - what is the use teaching 7 crore mantras? - teaching?

satya vratamu lella sAdhincitEnEmi - vratamu sAdhincu? It could be vratamu jEsitEnEmi

sahasranAma bhOjanamu ? What does it mean?

durjanula dUshincitEnEmi - of what avail cursing evil people??

sajjanula bhUshincitEnEmi - of what avail praising good people?

dharma karmamu jEsitEnEmi - of what avail performing dharma and karma ?

nirmala SrI tyAgarAju pogaDitEnEmi - of what avail even if pure tyAgarAja praises?

I couldn't make head and tail.

There is a saying - the best tribute is plagiarizing.

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