Vazhi maraithirukudhe - alternate ragas

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 19 Nov 2009, 21:43

Is there a version of this song in Bhairavi? For some reason, my mind has been trying to sing this in Bhairavi in the same tune as Upacharamulanu but I'm able to sing only the words 'Vazhi maraithirukudhe' in that tune, the rest doesn't follow. Just wanted to see if my mind is playing tricks with me or if there really is a version of it in Bhairavi.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 19 Nov 2009, 21:53

There is a nattaikurinji and there is a tOdi version, to the best of knowledge it is not in bhairavi, your mind possibly is fleeting towards a moonji illAda mAnji krithi of GKB varugalAmO, which has got a lot of overlap with bhairavi

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 Nov 2009, 22:15

Rajesh is quite right. GKB originally tuned it in tODi but others started singign in Nattakurinji as well. It will be exciting to hear it in Bhairavi, if you can. Upachaamulu appears to set a right tone and I can mumble it in that tune. Why don't you u/l your trial audio so we can see how it works!

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 19 Nov 2009, 22:58

I would love to hear the rendition from one of you. I can also mumble it in bairavi.

Here is the lyrics:

P: vazhi maraittirukkudE malaipOlE oru mADu paDuttirukkudE
A: pAvip-paraiyaninda Uril vandum ivan (innum) pAvam tIrEnO
pAdattil shErEnO ErEnO shivalOka nAthA
C: tEraDiyil ninru darishittAlum pOdum kOvil vara mATTEn ayyE
OraDi vilaginAl pOdum ingE ninru uTrup-pArkka shaTrE vilagAdO mADu

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 20 Nov 2009, 05:39

There are renditions by Sowmya, Sanjay, R & G and others at sangeethamshare.com (in nATakuranji and dEshya tODi)

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 20 Nov 2009, 08:50

cmlover wrote:Rajesh is quite right. GKB originally tuned it in tODi but others started singign in Nattakurinji as well. It will be exciting to hear it in Bhairavi, if you can. Upachaamulu appears to set a right tone and I can mumble it in that tune. Why don't you u/l your trial audio so we can see how it works!

GKB may have tuned it in toDi, but the prevalent tune (in todi) is Papanasam sivan's tune, which is a total ripoff from koluvamaregadA, with some some 'Sankara-s' thrown in to fit it into the mrelodic pattern.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 20 Nov 2009, 17:22

Despite its prevalence, I heard the nATTaikurinji version for the first time in Sri Sanjay's album titled 'tillai' and I must say that I fell in love with that!! I usually am pretty stuck with liking the first version I hear (for instance, I much prefer the bhairavi version of AK's yArO ivar yArO over the version in sAvEri, the bhAgESri version of kaNDEn kaNDEn kaNDEn sItaiyai over the vasantA version etc...), but in this case, I really liked the second version (nk) over the first (in tODi).

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 20 Nov 2009, 19:55

keerthi wrote:
cmlover wrote:Rajesh is quite right. GKB originally tuned it in tODi but others started singign in Nattakurinji as well. It will be exciting to hear it in Bhairavi, if you can. Upachaamulu appears to set a right tone and I can mumble it in that tune. Why don't you u/l your trial audio so we can see how it works!
GKB may have tuned it in toDi, but the prevalent tune (in todi) is Papanasam sivan's tune, which is a total ripoff from koluvamaregadA, with some some 'Sankara-s' thrown in to fit it into the mrelodic pattern.

You maybe forgetting that PS tuned it for the movies. If you carefully listen MMD throws in some bhairavi phrases in his dramatization. That is what attracts me to a bhairavi version which I am pining to hear! If you play with R2 you can easily and legally glide from tODi into bhairavi; can't you?

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 21 Nov 2009, 21:38

I'd love to be able to sing a sample but unfortunately I haven't had any musical training and I'm a pathetic singer. This has been haunting my dreams where I'm able to sing the first two words in Bhairavi but am not able to figure out how the rest of the song proceeds.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Nov 2009, 22:16

Don't be shy! None of us here (except a few gifted ones) are CM performers.
It is the spirit that counts.
I'll give it a try in a couple of days; and many of you should too!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Nov 2009, 04:02

Here is my attempt on the flute in a folkish Bhairavi, just the pallavi part

http://www.esnips.com/doc/051a3055-669f ... nBhairavi2 ( esnips, no download needed )

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i2jmwz2nj ... iravi2.mp3 ( when esnips does not work for you )

The rasa has morphed in to "adbhutha for the first phrase followed by earnest request/plaintiveness", not probably what shripathi_g was humming along.

To match up the melody with lyrics use the following. The parenthesis align with the natural pauses in the melody:

( vazhi maraittirukkudE) ( malaipOlE oru mADu ) ( paDuttirukkudE) (ah ah ah aha) ( vazhi maraittirukkudE )

The starting melody will remind of you of a couple of other famous songs, so work on deprogramming it to fit these lyrics.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 22 Nov 2009, 05:55

Excellent VK!
I am hearing upachaaramUlanu all along. The gamakam of bhairvai is nicely there. Only the finishing is a bit too flat. You should go all the way with the whole song and that will be simply delightful.

Let us see whether Suji gets inspired by you and follows suit!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Nov 2009, 07:24

CML: Motivated by you, I finished up anupallavi and charanam. Here they are... Starts with Anupallavi

http://www.esnips.com/doc/94ebd2b2-cf18 ... WithAPandC ( esnips, no download needed )

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jkjjkkzny ... aranam.mp3 ( download link )

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Nov 2009, 20:07

Beautiful VK! Love it!
Nice idea to start with he anupallavi which is exactly what MMD does.
You look quite confused at the interface of the charanam. Too many ideas clashing in. That is one problem in improvisation. I like the bhairavization of this lyric which could become a masterpiece if rendered with neravel and svaram by an expert...

Thanks for giving the idea a shape ..

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 23 Nov 2009, 21:34

Wow! Awesome! That gives me more clarity and has certainly cleared up the confusions in my head.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Nov 2009, 21:59

Thanks very much CML. I was quite happy with the nadai change for the charanam, it just came to me and I did not let go!!.

You are right, I had some trouble with the line "ninru uTrup-pArkka saTrE vilagAdO mADu" especially "saTrE vilagAdO mADu" which bridges back to the pallavi. I made it more a free form rhythm ( like viruththam ) with the thought that it may work since it is a drama!!!

This was a good learning experience for me regarding matching the meaning of the words to the bhairavi phrases. For example, the word 'uTrup-pArkka' fit in nicely with a jump based phrase 'N2 G2 R2 S'. That jump from N2 to G2 provides the emphasis needed for 'uTrup' which is quite meaningful in that context and then 'pArkka' has to be more plaintive which 'R2 S' provides.