Lyrics for umaikuriya - nilakanta sivan

smala · Post by **smala** » 21 Oct 2009, 14:05

before I get conked on the head, I googled, I "searched" in rasikas in a couple of ways - it comes up in a composition list - no luck on lyrics

am not so hot with the transcribing, either.

thanks - for any input and for sparing my head.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:12

umakkuriya tiru. rAgA: kAmavardhani. Adi tALA.

P: umakkuriya tiru maindA pugazh tarum kai EkadantA
A: amarkkaLattil kayamukhan AviyuNDa akhilam pugazh
C: matta mada kArmukhA madana kanakan marugA
attam tiru aruL bAlA anbarkkinbam tarum shIlA

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:43

P: umaikkuriya - S-P was correct in her request

That i changes the meaning completely!

umaikku (uriya) maindA - a son (maindA) worthy (uriya) of pAravti (umaikku).
umakku (uriya) maindA - a son (maindA) worthy (uriya) of you (umakku)

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Oct 2009, 20:50

I feel there are some more changes:
amar kaLattil- in the battle field
(not amarkkaLattil- amidst chaos-

)
matta mada karimukha- the elephant faced
(kArmukha- dark faced-may not be wrong too)
madana janakan- mahAvishNu (not kanakan)

smala · Post by **smala** » 21 Oct 2009, 22:46

Punarvasu wrote:I feel there are some more changes:
amar kaLattil- in the battle field
(not amarkkaLattil- amidst chaos- )
matta mada karimukha- the elephant faced
(kArmukha- dark faced-may not be wrong too)
madana janakan- mahAvishNu (not kanakan)

But since this song is about Muruga - "elephant faced" (karimukha) would be odd, right?

also what do these mean?

----amark kaLattil kayamukhan AviyuNDa akhilam pugazh-- what is it about the battlefield?
----matta mada kArmukhA madana kanakan marugA

----...kai EkadantA

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Oct 2009, 23:56

This song is about Lod Ganesa and not murugan.
amar kaLattil kayamukhan- refers to the battle in which Lord Ganesa killed the gajamukhAsuraa.
In tamizh, the letter 'ja' is not used bec. it belongs to sanskrit;in its place 'ya' is used-for eg. 'pankaja' is written as 'pankaya'.Again tamizh does not have four types -ka,kha,ga, gha; there is only one letter 'ka'.
matta mada karimuhan- refers to the elephant faced Lord ganESA- (madakkaLiRu- refers to an elephant in 'rut'.)
madana janakan(not kanakan) refers to VishNu-as the father of manmatha(madanan) and his 'marugan' (nephew) is Lord GaNESA or Lord subahmaNyA.(Here if refers to Lord gaNESA)
EkadantA- refers to gaNESA again- the single -tusked Lord.
Shyama-Priya, except the word 'kai' I have explained everything.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Oct 2009, 00:20

S-P - this is a composition on gaNapati - not muruga.

kai-ekadantA - refers to gaNapati - kai can mean 'elephant's trunk' in addition to the 'human hand'.

It is not kaya mukhan - but gaya-mukhan (gajamukhan) - refers to gaNapati's destruction of gajamukhAsuran (in gaNESa pacaratnam, Sri Sankara refers to this as 'vinASita ibha daityakam' in the first ratnam, and 'nirasta daitya kunjaram' in the third.) The subsitution of 'y' for 'j' occurs in Sentamizh because there was no letter for the 'j' sound -(like the use of pankaya or pangaya for pankaja). Sometimes, the letter 'c' is used for the 'j' sound. I have no understanding of when this is used, and when if at all, the letter 'j' that is available in the modern tamizh alphabet is used.

'Avi uNDA' - literally means 'swallowed the soul of' - means 'killed'

matta mada karimukha - Lord with the face (mukha) of a joyous (matta) and beautiful (mada) elephant (kari).
madana janakan marugA - nephew (marugA) of the father (janakan) of cupid (madana) - aka mAl marugA (there is SlOka on ganESa used at the start of many dance programs - SrIkAntO mAtulO yasya..... that uses the same concept)

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 22 Oct 2009, 01:24

It is not kai but sEi.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 22 Oct 2009, 01:43

Since Lji writes that it is sEi,
pugazh tarum sEi EkadantA- the child(sEi) EkadantA (gaNESA) who brings in fame (pugazh).

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Oct 2009, 08:15

Though kai (the trunk) goes with dantam, SEi is just the word here.

An extra k can make it amarkkaLam and an amar kaLam too, if folks argue violently

but not here in the sAhitya thread unless some unexpected party drops in!

smala · Post by **smala** » 22 Oct 2009, 11:42

Punarvasu and Ravi :

My sincere thanks to each of you for bailing me out. I have learned a lot. What threw me off is the ekadanta and maruga occuring in the same piece and I simply opted with the latter. Had I thought of "karimukha varada" by GNB - I might have drawn the connection.

Punarvasu :
The detailed meaning is really valuable to me.

Ravi :
The deeper insights from the pancaratnam and other references are quite brilliant

Thanks to both, again.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 22 Oct 2009, 17:20

ok; you confused 'marugA'(nephew) with murugA(subhramaNyA)