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inconsequential Offline 
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  Post ID: 13705 Posted: 16 Jun 2006 10:33 

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in this context, it would be great help to have dr.s.rAmanAthan's lecdem on allied rAgAs aswell. it used to be at sangeethapriya.org. unfortunately iam unable to get to my copy now. anyone has access to that lec-demo?

kmk sir, u can add dEsh to complete the structurally similar trio - k.gowLai, suruTTi, and dEsh.

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Suji Ram Offline 
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  Post ID: 13706 Posted: 16 Jun 2006 10:35 

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http://rapidshare.de/files/22645134/SRa ... shaNas.zip
this was posted in sangeeta vidhyalayam thread
   
srinidhi Offline 
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  Post ID: 13783 Posted: 17 Jun 2006 14:12 

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For my untrained ears, even Ramapriya can be confusing at the first hear.
It begins like pantuvarali, and I sit back happy that I got it right, then as the alapana reaches into the higher notes, I find myself humming "paraatpara" ...Omigosh was it Vaachaspati all along? Finally when the artist begins "Maatangi" or "Sandehamu"... then it dawns on me- It is Ramapriya, yippee :cheesy:
   
kmk Offline 
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  Post ID: 14036 Posted: 20 Jun 2006 22:13 

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Yes I agree. Desh has got a part resemblence to Kedaragoula and Surati.
Also, Jaya Manohari is a perfect example of 'bringing out something different'
eventhough it is not far different from Abhogi and Sriranjani.
These thoughts can be extended to even practitioners singing some ragas keeping some already popuiular ragas in mind and then replacing one of
its swaras.
As an ex. Sudha Madhyama is replaced by Prati Madhyama in Thodi,
to carve out a difficult but evocative Bhavapriya (Bhavani for Deekshitar
students).
More light is welcome.
   
jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 27434 Posted: 27 Nov 2006 18:27 

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A few more similar sounding ragas:
- Asaveri and Dhanyasi
- Narayanagowla and Dvijavanti
- Shuddhasaveri and Devamanohari
- Pantuvarali and Purvikalyani
- Saraswati and Vijayanagari
- Abheri and Shuddhadhanyasi
- Revagupti and Bhoopalam
- Kalyani and Hamsadhwani (occasionally yes!)

Can someone re-post the OST lecdem please! (preferably on a non-rapidshare site like rogepost.com)


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chalanata Offline 
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  Post ID: 27536 Posted: 28 Nov 2006 13:20 

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arabi and devagandhari
shanmugapria and simmendra madyamam
thodi and dhanyasi
mohanam and mohanakalyani
saranga and yamuna kalyani?
anandha bhairavi and reethi gowla?
nadanamakria, mayamalava gowla and co
dharbar and nayaki
and many more.......
aberi and karnataka devagandhari are one and the same?


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vasanthakokilam Offline 
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  Post ID: 27538 Posted: 28 Nov 2006 14:20 
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- Kalyani and Hamsadhwani (occasionally yes!)

Do you mean occasionally these two ragas sound similar to you or you mean they are in general considered to have occasional similarities? I am not aware of any such similarities.
   
jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 27544 Posted: 28 Nov 2006 16:19 

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saranga and yamuna kalyani?

You mean, Saranga and Hameer kalyani - right?
   
jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 27545 Posted: 28 Nov 2006 16:21 

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Do you mean occasionally these two ragas sound similar to you or you mean they are in general considered to have occasional similarities? I am not aware of any such similarities.

Until the distinct notes are touched, they could sound quite similar. Some of my rasika friends have told me the same.
   
chalanata Offline 
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  Post ID: 27567 Posted: 28 Nov 2006 21:15 

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jayaram,

you're right. sorry for the mix up. it is saranga and hameerkalyani.
   
Jyothsna_music Offline 
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  Post ID: 27688 Posted: 29 Nov 2006 20:01 

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Pushpalathika - Manirangu, Nagaswaravali - bahudari are also twins

Rgds
Jyothsna SaiRam
   
coolkarni  
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  Post ID: 27691 Posted: 29 Nov 2006 20:36 
now i forget
gowrimanohari was close to some raga too !!
   
arunk Offline 
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  Post ID: 27696 Posted: 29 Nov 2006 21:32 

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coolkarni wrote:
now i forget
gowrimanohari was close to some raga too !!

sometimes kIravAni.

Arun
   
jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 27703 Posted: 29 Nov 2006 21:55 

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Now that we have a fairly long list of allied ragas, perhaps someone can comment on how to differentiate between them - for example, using distinguishing prayogas/phrases.

I am told BMK has done an elaborate alapana of Todi, where he goes on for a long time without touching any of the characteristic phrases, thus teasing the poor listeners into tears! Wonder if someone has that or similar recordings of Murali-garu.

As a contrast, someone like MDR would bring out the raga rupa within the first few notes itself.


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Jyothsna_music Offline 
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  Post ID: 27731 Posted: 30 Nov 2006 00:04 

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can i get the lec dem again. the rapid share link and other link are not opening


Rgds
Jyothsna SaiRam
   
ramakriya Offline 
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  Post ID: 27745 Posted: 30 Nov 2006 00:48 

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jayaram wrote:
Now that we have a fairly long list of allied ragas, perhaps someone can comment on how to differentiate between them - for example, using distinguishing prayogas/phrases.

There is a very nice lecdem of Sri TM Krishna (held at Shivamogga) on sangeethapriya. Check it out if you haven't.

Darbar/Nayaki, Bhairavi/Manji/Mukhari/Huseni, Sri/Madhyamavati/Manirangu/Brindavani are discussed in this.

-Ram


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jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 27778 Posted: 30 Nov 2006 03:31 

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can i get the lec dem again. the rapid share link and other link are not opening

"jyothsna

as u know, on this forum we use audio clips to understand the topic of discussions. Requesting for reuploads or clips one missed will be an never ending assignments don't u think?"

<<am just repeating the admonition from an Admin here :)>>


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swamirams72 Offline 
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  Post ID: 28183 Posted: 03 Dec 2006 20:42 

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Madhuvanti and Dharmavati.
Malayamarutham, Valaji and Janasammodhini
Sivaranjani and Vijayanahari
Darbar and Nayaki
Nalinakanthi and Kadanakudhoohalam
Ritigowla and aanandhabhairavi
Hindolam and Suddha hindolam
   
chalanata Offline 
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  Post ID: 28187 Posted: 03 Dec 2006 21:49 

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saramathi and natabhairavi?
hindolam and chandragownce.
   
ragam-talam Offline 
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  Post ID: 28212 Posted: 04 Dec 2006 03:10 

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hindolam and chandrakauns are the CM-HM sister ragas.

Perhaps we can pick a pair (or trio) of allied ragas and discuss the differences.
How about we start with darbar-nayaki? The gandharam is treated differently between the two. And nayaki has lots of jaaru gamakas.
   
kalgada78 Offline 
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  Post ID: 28217 Posted: 04 Dec 2006 04:46 

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hindolam has a kaisiki nishadam and Chandrakaus has a kakali nishadam...
if you can call them sister ragas ;-)

Sarma
   
jayaram Offline 
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  Post ID: 28219 Posted: 04 Dec 2006 05:24 

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That should be hindolam and malkauns perhaps?


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shripathi_g Offline 
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  Post ID: 28238 Posted: 04 Dec 2006 07:54 

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I have found Desh and Nalinakanthi similar sometimes. Saramathi, Margahindolam too.
   
srinidhi Offline 
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  Post ID: 28371 Posted: 05 Dec 2006 09:08 

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On Tuesdays, G Ravikiran (our forum member) hosts a special show on Shruti-Worldspace focussing on allied ragas. Each show delas with a few ragas which sound similar yet retain an identity of their own.

So far he has covered (1) Sri-Madhyamavati-Manirangu (2) Bhairavi-Mukhari-Manji-Huseni (3) Yaduklakambhoji-Dwijavanti (4) Anandabhairavi-Reetigowlai- Abheri.

The program repeats on Fridays 9PM.
   
srinivas Offline 
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  Post ID: 28535 Posted: 06 Dec 2006 16:52 

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i joined he forum recently,can me have the mishra hindola raga lnks]
secondly list of raagas in carnatic music
   
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