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#1  Postby paddu » 09 Mar 2007 10:31

Hi Everyone,
Could we discuss raga hamsadwani? I just like to know, why is this raga not used as a main piece (like RTP or one with elaborate alapana and swaras?). I feel this is a very bright raga. It makes you jump up with joy the moment you hear. Which are the famous kriti's in this raga?

Some of them
Gam Ganapate
Vande hum
Raghu nayaka

Can we have some songs shared, please?

BTW, I think MSM sings Vatapi in a unique style. It sounds very different. Can someone elaborate.

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#2  Postby humdinger » 09 Mar 2007 11:25

excuse me for bringing in some fusion here....but i couldnt resist sharing this.
colonial cousins bring out a melodious hamsadhwani here...will you be my lady....
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/T42 ... As1NMvHdW/

the long violins arnd 2:30 are just great!
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#3  Postby paddu » 09 Mar 2007 12:04

Yes, this is a good fusion song. Reminds me of AR Rehman's "Vellai Pookkal" from Kannathil .......
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#4  Postby vijay » 09 Mar 2007 12:13

Swaras almost always follow a kriti in this raga and there is the occasional alaapana/RTP as well (TNS for Hamsadhwani - also covering Nagaswaravali was an outstanding one).

Seems more popular as a main piece with Hindustani musicians even though I understand its origins are South Indian (Dikshitar's father?)...a BMK Kishori jugal is available commercially.

BTW, I've always wondered why it is Hamsadhwani and not Hansadhwani...
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#5  Postby annapoorne » 09 Mar 2007 12:22

Sri Raghukula of Thyagaraja.

Has anybody heard "Nera Mora " a padam in Hamsadhwani?
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#6  Postby humdinger » 09 Mar 2007 12:23

BMK does a sruthibhedam in the ragamalika part of an RTP...nagaswaravali to hamsadhwani...

"this nagaswaravali becomes what? you see....:" he says and goes in to hamsadhwani...

"i need not announce the name of the raga..." he concludes :)
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#7  Postby prashant » 09 Mar 2007 12:45

I've heard RTPs in hamsadhwani from the Rudrapatnam Brothers and Smt. Charumati Ramachandran. They were both on Lord Vinayaka.

manasukaruga of Patnam is a beautiful weighty piece. Also, pArvatipatim of Dikshitar gets short shrift in reportoires other than that of the DKP/DKJ school. I'd be very interested to hear a 2-kaLai chaukam krithi in this rAgA.
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#8  Postby MaheshS » 09 Mar 2007 15:13

A few years ago Ajoy Chakravarthy sang a beautiful one hour Hamsadhwani ending with Vathapi Ganapathim at BVB, London.

There is a commercial album of K J Yesudas where he sings Vathapi with elaborate neraval at "Pranavaswa rupa vakra thundam" wirh Prof Subramanya Sharma [Violin] and Mavelikara Krishnan Kutty Nair [Mridangam]. I throughly recomend if you haven't listened to it.

Maharajapuram Santhanam's Sadasivan Maindane is also another composition in the raga.

MSG's rendetion of Thyagaraja swami's Ragunayaka is sublime.
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#9  Postby pallavi.pr » 09 Mar 2007 15:33

Some more compositions in Hamsadhwani:

MoolaaDhara moortE - Papanasam Sivan
Gajavadhana BEduvE- Purandara Daasa
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#10  Postby Lakshman » 09 Mar 2007 19:41

annapurne wrote:

Has anybody heard "Nera Mora " a padam in Hamsadwani?

Do you have the text of this song?
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#11  Postby annapoorne » 09 Mar 2007 22:07

It goes like this:

Nera mora jaara chora marubalga ra......
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#12  Postby Lakshman » 09 Mar 2007 22:21

I was wondering if you had the complete text.
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#13  Postby Nandy » 09 Mar 2007 22:34


wanted to share a clipping of Nityashree singing moolAdhAra moortE.


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#14  Postby Suji Ram » 09 Mar 2007 23:26

pallavi.pr wrote:Some more compositions in Hamsadhwani:
Gajavadhana BEduvE- Purandara Daasa

I like the way Maharajapuram Santhanam sings this song-... Unique
You can listen here- MIO
Suji Ram
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#15  Postby coolkarni » 10 Mar 2007 14:17

Bright Yes.But depends too much on the Tune of Vathapi for Survival.Most krithis and renderings seem to be some small variants of the THE ONE BASIC TUNE(Amir Khans Tharana , Jasraj's Pavaan Putra Hanuman and Kishoris Ganapatha vighna Haran...included)

It is for these reasons I treasure Seerkazhi Govindrajan's rendering -Here is a Clip from the full song , the second half.
Some very original Treatment.


Here is a fine moment with Pallavi Srirangam Iyengar in the Company of Lalgudi-PMI
PMI particularly seems to be enjoying very much.
and another track of Parveen at Academy.
I once played it for a bunch of friends while travelling by cab to Kancheepuram-one of the friends was giving a vocal concert.
As she ended the alapana , I could sense everyone was looking forward to the usual composition of hers , but all of them had a mild shock when she was found to take up a new line.
After the song was over , Trivandrum Balaji asked the Driver to stop the playback and instead joined the others and tried out so many variations all the way back home.Each one tapping some part of the Maxi cab , hammering it at times and doing a multipronged Jugalbandi.
Hope you can catch some idea of that excitement here as well..


Bright raga..indeed.
Though we generally catch it only while while searching for our seats in the auditorium.

Ps wish I could use the Notations for swaras to explain myself.Kansen that I am , have to contend with phrases like Tune of Vathapi etc...

#16  Postby coolkarni » 10 Mar 2007 14:27

Palayashu -Vasudevachar has been rendered soulfully by S Shankar in a commercial tape avaialable in bangalore (Vasudevachars Compositions)

Members at ANANYA can also enjoy a RTP by MLV - in their archives.

#17  Postby mahesh33 » 11 Mar 2007 19:31

K-ji, Parveen's Alapana in Hamsadhwani was so sweet and nourishing....many thanks!
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#18  Postby arasi » 11 Mar 2007 22:00

Is hamsadhwani sung either in the middle or towards the end of a concert? I have not heard one except as an opener. While I have a few songs on ganESa in hamsadhwani, one is about SivA...
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#19  Postby Lakshman » 11 Mar 2007 22:38

arasi wrote:

While I have a few songs on ganESa in hamsadhwani, one is about SivA...

I have over 250 songs in my list ,in this raga, and they are on a variety of themes.
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#20  Postby ksrimech » 12 Mar 2007 03:31

hamsadhvani and gaNESA are made for each other.
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#21  Postby knandago2001 » 12 Mar 2007 20:51

Here are the links to Ajoy Chakrabarty's rendition - the drut khayal is reminiscent of Vatapi
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#22  Postby sbala » 12 Mar 2007 22:31

Thanks for the Parveen upload. Just curious..I think you had suggested a trip to Dharwad to experience HM in all its glory! Is it still on?
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#23  Postby jayaram » 12 Mar 2007 23:18

vijay asked:
BTW, I've always wondered why it is Hamsadhwani and not Hansadhwani...

In Sanskrit (more accurately, samskritam) it is written as Hamsadhwani - also HamsanAdam. You will find that Hindi-speakers tend to write these words as Hansadhwani, HansanAd, etc.
Similar to Paramahamsa in Sanskrit versus Paramahansa in Hindi...

Btw, can one of the mods change the title of this topic to Hamsadhwani please...
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#24  Postby annapoorne » 13 Mar 2007 07:23

I do not have the full text of the javali "Nera Mora"
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#25  Postby meena » 13 Mar 2007 07:31

nera mora jara chora is a javali, correct?
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