Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

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Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #1 by mohan » 22 Sep 2011, 10:26

Haven't seen any reports about the CMI competition that has been running in the US for the last few weeks? Any reports, I think the final is nearing?

A friend of mine said she attended and was disappointed to see that judges were still asking questions of and adjudicating their own students, despite all the problems about this that were raised with regard to the Cleveland Aradhana competitions.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #2 by true_rasika » 25 Sep 2011, 20:17

Heard that Shyamala Ramakrishna is the Carnatic Music Idol 2011. But there seems to a 'conflict of interest' in the judging /selection. She has been undergoing advanced training from Shri NSG, who was one the judges. How can the judging be fair / unbiased?
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #3 by mohan » 26 Sep 2011, 05:03

Congratulations to Shyamala. I am sure she is an excellent singer however, the organisers could have easily avoided any controversy by excluding judges from adjudicating on any of their students.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #4 by mishram » 26 Sep 2011, 05:32

not sure how the other kids fared, but this kid seems to sing well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-mFX9Dvk4
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #5 by harimau » 26 Sep 2011, 07:38

true_rasika wrote:
Heard that Shyamala Ramakrishna is the Carnatic Music Idol 2011. But there seems to a 'conflict of interest' in the judging /selection. She has been undergoing advanced training from Shri NSG, who was one the judges. How can the judging be fair / unbiased?



The same issue was raised a year ago in the Channai Carnatic Idol contest when Sriranjani Santhanagopalan (for those whose neurons don't fire properly, she happens to be Neyveli Santhanagopalan's daughter) was a contestant. Sri Santhanagopalan recused himself from judging her and, in horse-racing parlance, she didn't win, place or show. So much for the deference the other judges showed to Sri Santhanagopalan whereas all of you felt that they would be influenced by the mere fact that she is the daughter of one of their colleagues.

Since quite a large number of senior musicians teach North American students, it gives True Mudthrowers a chance to vent their unsubstantiated opinions on a forum like this. The alternative would be to have NA kids learn from neighborhood mamas and mamis, be they from San Diego or Mylapore, and then we can of course complain about the quality of the students and the winner!

Aaaarrrrggghhhhhh! Enough already!
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #6 by thanjavooran » 26 Sep 2011, 07:51

It reminds me of a famous Tamil saying
நெருப்பில்லாமல் புகையுமா?
[can there be smoke without the existance of fire]

Thanjavooran 26 09 2011
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #7 by mathe-kamas » 26 Sep 2011, 18:51

Where can I see the other results for the competition? Congratulations to Shyamala and her parents!
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #8 by suma » 26 Sep 2011, 19:42

Congratulations Shyamala
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #9 by kvchellappa » 26 Sep 2011, 20:44

I saw that CM idol winner for 2011 was Raghavendra in internet.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 308AAIYJ32
http://www.rkbuzz.com/applications/2509 ... 91-ww.html
K V Chellappa
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #10 by appu » 26 Sep 2011, 22:47

harimau wrote:
Since quite a large number of senior musicians teach North American students, it gives True Mudthrowers a chance to vent their unsubstantiated opinions on a forum like this. The alternative would be to have NA kids learn from neighborhood mamas and mamis, be they from San Diego or Mylapore, and then we can of course complain about the quality of the students and the winner!

Aaaarrrrggghhhhhh! Enough already!


Harimau,

NA has quite a good number of gifted professionals too who could have been invited to judge the contest. It does raise eyebrows when teachers judge their own students.

Once again both Jaya TV and the Aradhana Committee should consider the alternative and dispel such accusations from potential mud slingers.

Appu
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #11 by music_is_life » 27 Sep 2011, 02:55

true_rasika wrote:Heard that Shyamala Ramakrishna is the Carnatic Music Idol 2011. But there seems to a 'conflict of interest' in the judging /selection. She has been undergoing advanced training from Shri NSG, who was one the judges. How can the judging be fair / unbiased?


As the parent of the First runners up of the CMI USA 2011 who was at the venue of the Finals, I want to emphasize that the Judges were extremely fair and unbiased. Shri. NSG refrained from asking any question to this participant. The other two judges posed several questions and I particularly liked the way she quickly responded when asked to sing a swara pattern with same kArvai of the pallavi line landing exactly at the right place.

I don't want to give away any further details as JAYA TV will telecast this in November. The organizers, Shri V. V. Sundaram representing Cleveland Aradhana Committee, Jaya TV and Maximum Media with support from 4 local Organization pulled off a miracle in a short span of 1 month conducting this successfully and deserve kudos for their effort.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #12 by mahavishnu » 27 Sep 2011, 03:18

Who were the other judges for this competition?
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #13 by music_is_life » 27 Sep 2011, 03:24

Sowmya and Shashi Kiran were the other judges
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #14 by mathe-kamas » 27 Sep 2011, 04:54

From talking to other people who attended/organized this event, I understand that NSG excused himself from judging Shyamala. Shyamala is such an accomplished young lady who has blossomed listening to her mother Rajeshwari, and music is in her veins. I have heard Shyamala at Cleveland, she was one of the concert competition winners two years ago and performed there this year. Overall, she is a well deserving candidate. Please stop bickering and congratulate the winner.

I have seen times in the Indian circles where an "apaswaram" candidate would win or get ahead because the judges or teacher wanted some other favor from the parents. That is irritating. When a good candidate wins, why bicker? Let the young person celebrate, she has worked very hard to get here!
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #15 by arasi » 27 Sep 2011, 08:09

Congratulations to Shyamala!
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #16 by sramakrishna » 27 Sep 2011, 16:26

Hello, this is Shyamala's mother Rajeswari Satish. Many thanks to all well wishers of Shyamala. Also, thanks to the parent of the very talented first runner up who has graciously acknowledged that judging was done fairly. I just wanted to provide the following information. Shyamala has been my student for 13 years and continues to do so. Yes, she has taken lessons from Sri Neyveli Santanagopalan, but in this competition, (as stated above by mathe-kamas and music_is_life), Sri NSG had refrianed from questioning her, and excused himself from the final marking. We have confirmation that the decision to select Shyamala was unanimous by the other two judges.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #17 by Ramasubramanian M.K » 27 Sep 2011, 17:19

Congratulations to Shyamala!! Your(Rajeshwari) hard work plus divine grace has helped.
Wishing Shyamala many more successess in the Music Field.!!

Ramesh uncle/Nirmala auntie
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #18 by vasanthakokilam » 27 Sep 2011, 18:52

Congratulations Shyamala! Well done!!

Smt. Rajeshwari Satish, welcome to this fourm.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #19 by sramakrishna » 27 Sep 2011, 19:20

Thank you, and yes we completely owe it to divine grace and the grace of gurus. We hope that with that grace, she will continue to improve and learn. For, this is only the beginning of a journey.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #20 by rshankar » 27 Sep 2011, 19:24

Congratulations to Shyamala and all the other winners! Talent, God's grace, and guru kaTAksham notwithstanding, it is these youngsters' amazing discipline and time-management skills that gets them where they are. Here's wishing them continued success in self-discipline and time-management - all else will surely follow!
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #21 by cienu » 27 Sep 2011, 19:25

congratulations and best wishes to Shyamala.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #22 by suma » 27 Sep 2011, 19:33

While Shyamala is truly deserving and I wish her all the best, I would like to highlight the success of distant learning and the power of internet. While music_is_life's daughter learns from a local mama who also happens to be a performing musician, Hari Ravi (Son of iCarnatic founder and organizer) and Shilpa Sadagopan deserve a huge round of applause for becoming runners up. I dont know from whom Geetha Shankar (winner for junior) and pragathi guruprasad (runner up) learn from and if they also learn distantly, then this is a huge achievement.

It is one thing to live in chennai and learn from the best of the best in music and win awards, or have a parent or local mama as a teacher and win. It is extremely difficult to win with no guru or performing musician as a parent in town. While brahma's stroke is a must for these, it is the pure dedication and hard work of children like hari and shilpa that brought them to this lime light and i feel that they are the true winners and they are a testiment to distant learning.

I was at chicago when the prilim's where done. While i enjoyed a stress free day as my child was not a participant, i only have one concern. A telugu girl participated. Sowmya asked the girl if she knows tamil and the girl said no. After the girl finished singing, sowmya started communicating with the girl in tamil. If the judges and the organizers keep in mind that this is not just a tamil person's contest but all it would look more fair to the on looker. The girl in question made mistakes and I am not doubting the judgement, just the fact that communicating in a language that the participant does not follow should be avoided.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #23 by vasanthakokilam » 27 Sep 2011, 19:45

I would be surprised if they did not have such rules on what language to question the contestant. In this case, my guess would be that it was an honest slip up by Sowmya.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #24 by mathe-kamas » 27 Sep 2011, 21:52

Congratulations to Geeta Shankar. She learns from NSG as well. I have heard her in Cleveland, good singer. I believe Shilpa used to learn from NSG's student Kasthuri Shivakumar, she also learns from Ravikiran. Yes, distance music is something that has enabled the NA kids to avail of opportunities that were previously denied to them.
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Re: Carnatic Music Idol USA 2011

Post #25 by sramakrishna » 27 Sep 2011, 22:34

I did not add this information earlier (as I was responding to a relevant post only). Shyamala learned form me (Rajeswari Satish ) exclusively for the first 10 years or so. She has taken lessons from Sri P.S. Narayanaswamy during visits to Chennai. She has also learnt a few kritis from Smt. R. Vedavalli. Her distance learning does not happen on a very regular basis. In my opinion, proper training in the fundamentals, correct guidance, regular lessons and disciplined practice are ALL equally important. True success is not about winning one competition or the other, but about being able to keep up the music (alive and growing) as they grow up into adults.
Thank you.
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