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Classical Music of North India
knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 17 Nov 2008, 09:49

With the help of Pt. Vijay Kichlu, the Sangeet Natak Academy (Delhi), organized "Thumri Rang"
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rshankar
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Postby rshankar » 17 Nov 2008, 20:51

Fascinating! Thanks again for your painstaking review!

coolkarni
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Postby coolkarni » 18 Nov 2008, 03:05

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knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 18 Nov 2008, 09:44

Ravi and K'ji: Thanks! The hardest part is to listen carefully and write stuff down (a la Bharat who does such a wonderful job with his reports on lec-dems and concerts) when I find myself getting carried away by the music. Can't wait to get home and listen to Gauhar Jan - muchos gracias K'ji. I managed to listen to Pt. Chhanulaal Misra, Pt. Jagdish Prasad, Smt. Shanti Hiranand, Smt. Girija Devi, Smt. Rita Ganguli, and Mashkoor Ali - great music to savour!! Wish you guys were here.

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Postby vijay » 18 Nov 2008, 12:04

Nandakumarji, Bahut Khoob! Wajid Ali Shah's is a fascinating story indeed. It was, IIRC, the theme of Satyajit Ray's only Hindi film - Shatranj ke Khiladi. I believe his palce (or whetever) in Metiaabruz is still pretty much as it was during his confinement. Made myself a small note to pay a visit next time I am in the city...

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Postby cmlover » 18 Nov 2008, 12:58

Nand
Your writing is highly educational as it is entertaining. We are getting the essence of HM with History and names connected and with coolkarni feeding timely snippets it is indeed an enlightening experience. It is not simply listening to HM but understanding it meaningfully with the background is important. Thank you and give us more! And thanks Coolkarni!

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 19 Nov 2008, 16:19

vijay and cmlover ji: i'm reminded of a ghazal sung by the late Smt. Hirabai Barodekar "yaar aakar banaa mehmaan" even as i say "bahut shukriya" to both of you. will try to pen down whatever i can over the next few days.

lyrics for "ab naa bajaao shyam"

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Postby cmlover » 19 Nov 2008, 16:55

Lovely!
I now entreat coolkarni to post some nice examples for learning the styles.
Again many of the lyrics are quite meaningful and for those of us ignorant of Braj Bhasha we invoke the help of Shankar to understand the import!

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 20 Nov 2008, 09:06

"My name is Gauhar Jan"
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gobilalitha
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Postby gobilalitha » 21 Nov 2008, 03:01

the song babul mora is still one of the most beloved songs of mine, for it's sheer melody, saigal's voice, raag bhairavi etc. After knowing the line by line meaning, my eyes well up with copious tears. I have already narrated an often heard story. KLS was invited by a leading film producer to his house,at marine drive . After reaching the locality, KLS FORGOT THE FLAT NO ETC .He started singing babul mora without any inhibitions, The producer thrilled by his golden voice rushed out to receive him. gobilalitha

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Postby coolkarni » 21 Nov 2008, 08:10

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Postby cmlover » 21 Nov 2008, 15:03

Thanks Nand/coolkarni
I did find Saigal's heart rendering Babul at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_BmHDD8rSM
(courtesy of varmaji who is a fanatic fan of Saigal :)
What a powerful lyric? One must know the lyric with meaning to appreciate the 'cry of the heart'. Nand's subtle reference to funeral/marriage sets the scene for soulful Saigal's sensitive pathos!
I can understand the moisture in GBL's eyes! Whose will not ?

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Postby gobilalitha » 22 Nov 2008, 08:38

coolji. jagjitsingh-chitra' babul mora padiathil' KURAI ONDRUM ILLAI. but kurai ondrum illai , MSS paduvatharkkum , others paduvatharkkum vitiyasam illaiya?( J AND C have rendered BABUL MORA BEAUTIFULLY.But there is an emotional difference . JUST like MSS singing kurai ondrum illai and others singing. gobilalitha

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Postby coolkarni » 22 Nov 2008, 08:59

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Postby knandago2001 » 22 Nov 2008, 09:25

Accompanied by Pt. Lalit Kumar on the tabla and by Pt. Sohanlal Sharma on the harmonium, Pt. Chhannulaal Misra stated at the very outset "thumakti hui chaal sey raadhikaa krishna ko rijhaave, usi ko thumri kahaavey!"

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Postby coolkarni » 23 Nov 2008, 07:06

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Postby rshankar » 23 Nov 2008, 15:21

[quote="knandago2001"]Whereas bhaav suggested by the lyrics may be individual, it is the skill of the performer that transforms it to the universal (ras). Savita Devi recalled how her mother Smt. Siddheshwari Devi taught her the line "saanjh bhayi ab ghar aao nandalaal"

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 24 Nov 2008, 09:34

Ravi: everytime I listen to MSS"

gobilalitha
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Postby gobilalitha » 24 Nov 2008, 10:51

nandago, were all the songs rendered in khamaj only? gobilalitha

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 28 Nov 2008, 15:59

yes, Jagdish Prasad ji sang them all in khamaj for more than an hour and a quarter!

thumri-s sung by Ustad Abdul Karim Khan and his followers have been described as khayali thumri on account of their perceptible lack of eroticism and seriousness of approach bordering on the devotional. However the Kirana Thumri is different from the ‘purab’ style of the thumri, as it does not employ ‘laggi’ or doubling of the tempo, towars the end of the thumri. Purists therefore feel that the Kirana Thumri lacks lilt and emotive appeal as it lays relatively less emphasis on laya.

jamuna ke teer kanha - Ustad Abdul Karim Khansaheb
http://excavatedshellac.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/ustad-abdul-karim-khan-bhairavi-thumri-adha-tal-jamma-ke-tira-kanha/

piya milan ki aas - Jogiya - Pt. Bimsen Joshi
http://www.esnips.com/doc/125d836b-e53a-4125-aff0-bf8b86c92995/Piya-milan-ki-aas-(thumri)--1962---Pandit-Bhimsen-Joshi

more on laggi and the tabla bols used
http://www.chandrakantha.com/tablasite/articles/cyclic2.htm
demo by Bickram Ghosh
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkAXolK_WI

sargam in thumri - Pt. Vasantrao Deshpande
http://mehfiltube.magnify.net/video/Pt-Vasantrao-Deshpande-Thumri

saiyyan gaye pardes -Ustad Ashiq Ali Khan
http://www.esnips.com/doc/80bab45b-4da3-4b40-857a-c0da6ba32c62/06-PAHARI-THUMRI-~-saiyyan-gaey-pardes-Ashiq-Ali-Khan-Peshawar-Wale(BEERA-ASHIQ)

aaye naa balam - Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan
http://in.truveo.com/Ustad-Bade-Ghulam-Ali-Khan-Aye-Na-Baalam-Yaad/id/2295997138
lovely photographs and lyrics in roman script

bhor bhayi - gurjari todi - Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan - the taanbaazi and sargam is reminiscent of a drut khayal
http://in.truveo.com/Ustad-Bade-Ghulam-Ali-Khan-Bhor-Bhai-Thumri/id/2287795581

thumri in maand - sarangi - Ustad Sultan Khan
http://www.esnips.com/doc/208007fc-3c9e-491c-a19c-9503efc75ac3/Maand---Sarangi
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sahkul
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Postby sahkul » 04 Dec 2008, 06:16

Excellent word work Nandagopalji... You are making e'one feel, you should have been there!

Some more recordings of concert pls....

I've some Banaras Gharana recordings... I'll share them...

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 05 Dec 2008, 16:24

sahkul: this one is for you

Akhtari Bai
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=05ceV7swasA&feature=related
ae mohabbat teray anjaam pay ronaa aayaa
jaanay kyoon aaj teray naam pay ronaa aayaa
yoon to har shaam ummeedon main guzar jaatee thee
aaj kuch baat hai jo shaam pay ronaa aayaa
kabhi taqdeer kaa maattam, kabhi duniyaa ka gilaa
manzil-i-ishq main har ghum pay ronaa aayaa
jaab huaa zikar zamanay main mohabbat ka shakir
mujh ko apnay dil-i-nakaam pay ronaa aayaa

Girija Devi in concert
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=D34hZVoc09A


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Postby gobilalitha » 20 Dec 2008, 03:00

binnashadj andkaushikdhwani.are they same or similar ? felt happy to meet you. ravi, ram ,coolji , vijay,venkat and other members at the wonderful performance of Ashwin,Rohin gobilalitha

knandago2001
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Postby knandago2001 » 21 Dec 2008, 15:51

gobilalita ji: it was a pleasure meeting you after the concert. bhinnashadj and kaushikdhwani are both similar to hemant with minor differences in the way they are handled by gharaanedaar musicians. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSldL-9ARk


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