Kishori Amonkar

Classical Music of North India

#26  Postby thanjavur » 09 Jun 2007 23:26

Rashid Khan (YouTube links)

Raag Gorakh Kalyan (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QphAKmbmc[/youtube]

Raag Marwa (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_xrSEJoDc[/youtube]

Raag Kirwani (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZvt02W28w[/youtube]
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#27  Postby thanjavur » 10 Jun 2007 00:06

Kishori Amonkar (YouTube links)

Drut Yaman (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmFtnGPbAzA[/youtube]

"Rang So Rang Milaaye," - drut khyal composition in Raag Bhimpalasi and Taal Ektaal (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI1mzbtzl4g[/youtube]

Raag Alhaiya Bilawal (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QphAKmbmc[/youtube]
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#28  Postby narendra43 » 27 Jun 2007 00:10

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#29  Postby Sangeet Rasik » 08 Jul 2007 09:36

jayaram wrote:Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm
What about the North and South Indian systems of music... is there a meeting point, I ask. "I do not believe in these bifurcations. The sruthis are the same, the ragas are almost the same. I want you to blend it into a whole, you should think of it as a world of notes. We should not put too many words, too many rhythmical acrobatics into our singing.

Starts off with a noble concept of which I am a votary: a pan-Indian bharatiya shastriya sangeet. But Kishori, brilliant though she is, is prone to making random comments in public. Indian music (at least that of the highest quality) is far more than a one-dimensional "world of notes".

For a more thoughtful perspective, I might quote Pt. V.N. Bhatkhande:

"...In my opinion a happy fusion between the two great music systems of the country is most desirable. When it comes on, the Hindustani system will be considerably enriched. Hundreds of beautiful ragas can be reintroduced here into our system...The southern system will again have have an opportunity of adopting our northern graces in the vadi/samvadi rules and thereby of making its music much more interesting...By a study of the works pertaining to the southern system, we can compose songs for the northern musicians in the ragas which are sung there but which have not found a place in the northern system, and thus introduce, at some date, a fusion of the two sister systems of music."

Although Bhatkhande's vision is apparently limited to adaptation of ragas, I think he makes strong points. I don't think changing the structure of a kriti or a varnam or khayal or dhrupad is advisable. I think these compositional forms should remain well-defined, but there should be an underlying integration of theory and raga concepts that are used in creating these various musical forms.

I hope this post does not stir its own "hornet's nest" !!

SR
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#30  Postby vijay » 08 Jul 2007 21:05

OTOH, it is heartening to note such an eminent departure from the norm of North Indian musicians taking digs at Carnatic Music. I certainly would like to see more HM ragas taken up in CM concerts - especially in pallavis.

TNS and Neyveli Santhanagopalan are among those who do this often...Sanjay sang a fine piece in Madhuvanthi (I think) at NGS today - I am sure he is more than capable of presenting it as a Pallavi item...

Maru Behag, Multani, Darbari, Basant, Lalit, Ramkali are among the ragas I would like to hear on the CM platform. Some rasikas may ask - why not listen to these in Hindustani concerts? My response would be - HM does not offer the same kind of rhythmic initricacies as a CM Pallavi...
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#31  Postby arasi » 09 Jul 2007 02:00

The scope that a CM format allows the performers to build swiftly on rAgA delienation, expand their rendering on the weight of a kriti and end it with cascading swarAs is another asset.

Please note that I say 'CM FORMAT allows' all this. I am NOT putting down HM (I adore it as well).

Vijay,
What did Sanjay sing in madhuvanthi? No reviews?
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#32  Postby vijay » 09 Jul 2007 18:48

Arasi, Sanjay sang a Thukkada but with a brief vruttham/alaapana. I caught only about an hour of the concert - Thodi and Kedaragowla were the main items.
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#33  Postby knandago2001 » 16 Jun 2008 13:28

Somak Ghoshal: Critical thinking and writing on contemporary Hindustani classical music should not be entirely guided by standards of purity that are considered to be the legacy of a “lost worldâ€
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#34  Postby ragam-talam » 11 Feb 2009 03:09

a lovely Todi from Kishori-tai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrja6lXemmY
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#35  Postby vallaki » 20 Jul 2009 23:36

There is a very good 'Hamsadhwani' in Musicindiaonline.com .
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#36  Postby coolkarni » 30 Jul 2009 19:01

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#38  Postby expatobserver » 17 Dec 2009 23:29

Sangeet Rasik wrote:
jayaram wrote:Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm
What about the North and South Indian systems of music... is there a meeting point, I ask. "I do not believe in these bifurcations. The sruthis are the same, the ragas are almost the same. I want you to blend it into a whole, you should think of it as a world of notes. We should not put too many words, too many rhythmical acrobatics into our singing.

Starts off with a noble concept of which I am a votary: a pan-Indian bharatiya shastriya sangeet. But Kishori, brilliant though she is, is prone to making random comments in public. Indian music (at least that of the highest quality) is far more than a one-dimensional "world of notes".

For a more thoughtful perspective, I might quote Pt. V.N. Bhatkhande:

"...In my opinion a happy fusion between the two great music systems of the country is most desirable. When it comes on, the Hindustani system will be considerably enriched. Hundreds of beautiful ragas can be reintroduced here into our system...The southern system will again have have an opportunity of adopting our northern graces in the vadi/samvadi rules and thereby of making its music much more interesting...By a study of the works pertaining to the southern system, we can compose songs for the northern musicians in the ragas which are sung there but which have not found a place in the northern system, and thus introduce, at some date, a fusion of the two sister systems of music."

Although Bhatkhande's vision is apparently limited to adaptation of ragas, I think he makes strong points. I don't think changing the structure of a kriti or a varnam or khayal or dhrupad is advisable. I think these compositional forms should remain well-defined, but there should be an underlying integration of theory and raga concepts that are used in creating these various musical forms.

I hope this post does not stir its own "hornet's nest" !!

SR


Could not agree with you more. Kishoritai has a habit of making rash statements and everybody and his brother shake their head in agreement because of who she is. In one of her Marathi interviews on youtube she says that in music words do not matter it is just swar that matter. So in one fell swoop, she denigrates all the great Marathi saint-poets like Dyneshwar, Tukram, Eknath, Namdev, Janabai, Bahinabai and many others.

To be perfectly honest as good a shastriya sangeet gayika that she is, her compositions are awful. As an example, listen to her Marathi composition Sundar te dhyan with Lata's version (composition by great Marathi composer Shriniwas Khale or listen to her Koi Kahiyo Re Prabhu Awan Ki with the anybody elses (e.g. Shaila Hattangadi). No comparison. Amonkar compositions are lackllustre. Her opinion that words mean nothing and only swars matter is utter nonsense.
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#39  Postby murthyhmg » 26 Dec 2009 11:07

Some live concerts of Kishori Amonkar are uploaded to www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy Nos. 231, 248, 257
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