Rag Shuddh Sarang

Classical Music of North India
bilahari
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Postby bilahari » 08 Apr 2007, 04:55

This Friday, I attended Sikkil Gurucharan's concert in Singapore, where he presented a brief but intriguing RTP in Shuddh Sarang. I am not acquainted at all with Hindusthani ragas, but found the patterns presented rather familiar. Can anyone help shed some light on this raga? Thank you very much.

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Postby coolkarni » 08 Apr 2007, 05:45

Shudh Sarang
Such a fine afternoon raga.Jasraj made such a huge splash in the 70s when he came out with his albuim featuring this and Bhimpalas.
Kalyanraman sings a lovely bhajan is this,too.So wonderful to hear that it was featured as RTP in a CM concert.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2l2n1i

this three minute 78 RPM bit by Basavraj Rajaguru is a beauty.

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Postby bilahari » 08 Apr 2007, 05:50

Thanks for this wonderful piece, coolkarniji! Yes, Sikkil Gurucharan did an admirable job in this RTP, and I especially enjoyed the Thanam he constructed in the ragam. I am hoping to obtain a recording of this great concert.

coolkarni

Postby coolkarni » 08 Apr 2007, 07:34

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t18a1x

three bits by kalyanraman , VV Subramaniam and MSG , in one clip.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fmrg8d

a fine radio recital bu Ghulam Mustafa Khan

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Postby knandago2001 » 10 Apr 2007, 10:15

That recording of Basavraj Rajaguru was simply out of this world!! Apparently, Mallikarjun Mansoor once referred to him as "suron ke baadshah!" I went on to listen to TSK, VVS and MSG - the ashtapadi by TSK was very special - really striking how they handle these dvimadhyama ragas with such aplomb! Am eagerly looking forward to Ghulam Mustafa Khan saheb's rendition later this evening.

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Postby knandago2001 » 11 Apr 2007, 11:40

A very traditional "ab mori baat"

http://www.badongo.com/file/2704874

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Postby rbharath » 13 Apr 2007, 05:09

i think Madurai G S Mani sang this ragam at our meet in march.

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Postby rajeshnat » 13 Apr 2007, 05:20

madurai gs mani sang " rajendra kanye girisuthe gambeera mAlini" in shuddh sArang.
shuddh sArang is so close to hamsanAdam.
There is also a melodious jayadeva ashtapadi tuned by TSK "anilatharala kuvalaya" in shuddh sArang.
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Postby shripathi_g » 30 Nov 2007, 06:38

What's the Hindustani equivalent of Brindavana Saranga?

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Postby ramakriya » 30 Nov 2007, 06:49

It is called brindAvani sArang in hindUstAni as well, AFAIK

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Postby Ashwin » 30 Nov 2007, 16:15

ramakriya wrote:It is called brindAvani sArang in hindUstAni as well, AFAIK

I'm not sure, but isn't hindusthAni 'mEgh' the equivalent of our brindAvana sArangA? I think brindAvani is the same in hindusthAni and carnatic, right?

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Postby ramakriya » 30 Nov 2007, 17:41

Ashwin,

AFAIK, in hindUstAni, both sArang and brindAvani sArang refer to the same rAga. This is equivalent to our version of brindAvana sAranga in which there is a distinct kAkali nishAda. I am not sure if they call anything as 'brindAvani'.

You can see more about sArang family here. Pandit Jha has a detailed explains the differences between kAnaDAs, malhArs and sArangs. He distinguishes mEgh from Sarang by the different intonation on Ri and Ni. It is a must hear!


http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit10302000/musicarts.asp

But as you said, I have heard some elements of mEgh in some brindAvana sAranga renditions.


-Ramakriya


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Postby Ashwin » 30 Nov 2007, 21:03

Thanks ramakriya. I was under the impression that brindAvana sAraNgA (carnatic) doesnt admit kAkali niShAdam, and that the more common scale SR2M1PN3 SN2PM1R2 is actually called brindAvani (carnatic).

Ashwin
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Postby gobilalitha » 16 Dec 2007, 00:33

i think GNB has recorded a song in sarangatharangini (shudsarang). i think both are same, can anybody post GNB's song ? gobilalitha

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Postby Mahalakshmi » 22 May 2008, 03:34

Is shuddh sarang of HM called saranga tarangini in CM? Please explain.

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Postby Lakshman » 22 May 2008, 12:32

The scale of sArangatarangiNi is:
SRMPDNS/SNDPMRS (mELA 65)

The scale of shuddhsArang in HM is:
SRMRM^PNS/SNDPM^PDPMRS (mELA 22, kAfi thAT)

There is also a rAgA shuddhasArangA in CM :
SGMPNS/SDPMGRS (mELA 62)

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Postby Mahalakshmi » 22 May 2008, 19:24

Thank you very much Sir. It's very useful.

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Postby bhagavathar2007 » 24 May 2008, 05:22

Regarding the song Iravum Nilavum in the film Karnan, tuned by MSV, is it Hamsanadam or Sarangatarangini or combination of both?

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Postby Mahalakshmi » 24 May 2008, 11:22

It seems to be the combination of both. What about konja nEram ennai marandEn.... by TMS?
I think it is in shuddh sarang.

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Postby sowmithran » 04 Jul 2008, 01:48

Hi all

I was reading all the earlier posts in the topic "shudh sarang"...
Some one has mentioned that shudh sarang and sarang refer to the same raga. It is not.
Sarang of HCM is closer to brindavani sarang and not shudh sarang..
Brindavani sarang does not use Dhaivat, while sarang uses is..also
Sarang never uses Prathi Madyam while shudh sarang uses it...
There is a beautiful recording of Pt nikhil dada in raga sarang.
Thanks
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Postby Kanti Dattani » 04 Jul 2008, 10:52

>>>sowmithran wrote today
I was reading all the earlier posts in the topic "shudh sarang"...
Some one has mentioned that shudh sarang and sarang refer to the same raga. It is not.Sarang of HCM is closer to brindavani sarang and not shudh sarang..
Brindavani sarang does not use Dhaivat, while sarang uses is..also Sarang never uses Prathi Madyam while shudh sarang uses it...There is a beautiful recording of Pt nikhil dada in raga sarang. Thanks<<<

Hello sowmithran,

Could you please let me know the CD number, length of raga in minutes and label details of Nikhil Banerjee's Sarang. I would like to buy this CD. So, any help will be very much appreciated.

I have several CDs with Sarangs but I am not a musician so do not understand the technical differences! I just enjoy 'music' and good recordings. I am listing below most of the Sarangs and the variations I have. Hope the information will be useful to some members. It invariably does judging from the emails I receive. Email for more details. kantidattani@aol.com I am not in music business and don't sell CDs. I am in UK.

SARANG/BRINDABANI SARANG
Afternoon raga Kafi Thaat ; visit http://www.sawf.org/newedit/ed­it10302000/musicarts.asp
(I read somewhere it is similar to Pushpalathika?)

AMJAD Ali Khan, sarod, 34 minutes, CD Number NR027
ARATI Ankalikar, vocal, 22 CDNF057
BALAmurali Krishna, vocal, 9 BMG50626
BHATT Vishwa Mohan, guitar, 7 SICCD052
BHIMSEN Joshi, vocal, 19 PSLP5022 & 53 A97008
BISMILLAH Khan, 11 SICCD025 & 28 PSLP5662
DEBU Chowdhury, sitar, 30 VEDA6
HARIPRASAD Chaurasia, flute, 31 A92077 & 62 VEDA Vol 9
IMRAT Khan, sitar & Wajahat Khan, sarod 23 ED1018
KALA Ramnath, violin, AC1057 & 10 Misra Brindabani Sarang with Misra Malhar SWM084
RAGHUNATH Seth, flute, 7 PMCI8001
RAJAN & Sajan Misra, vocal, 32 VEDA Vol 7
RASHID Khan, vocal, 42 VIR545511
SANCHITA Ghoshal, vocal, 8 nf301
SUBBUlAXMI the great, vocal 6 PSLP5307

SHUDDHA SARANG

AMAR Nath, flute, 60 minutes CD number VEDA Vol 3
AMJAD Ali Khan, sarod, 25 AR2006 & 31 A92076
ANANT Lal, shehnai, 11 SICCD014
ANANT Lal & Daya Shankar, shehnai, 62 VEDA Vol 11
ARUNA Narayan, sarangi, 25 NI5447
BADE Ghulam Ali, vocal, 22 CDNF150125 ragmala 1
BRIJ Narayan, sarod, 14 DECCA
BUDHADITYA Mukherjee, sitar, 68 SN70995
DAYA Shankar, shehnai, 6 SN74188 Quintet
DEBU Chowdhury, sitar, 71 IAM1055
Dhruba Ghosh, sarangi, 16 CD title Bowing sounds from dawn to moonlight
GAURAV Majumdar, sitar, 10 GZ00012
HARIPRASAD Chaurasia, flute 22 SN70193 and 34 CD title Nada live Jerusalem
IMRAT Khan, sitar & Nishat Khan, sarod, 26 ED1018
JOG V G, Violin, 29 SICCD059
KRISHNA Bhatt, sitar 30 sitar SB2988
PADMAVATI Saligram, vocal, 18 MAK017
RAGHUNATH Seth, flute 32 NR083 & 4 KYT704
RAJA Kale, vocal, 8 CD 070 Seasons
RAJAN & Sajan Misra, vocal, 31 VEDA7
RAVI Shankar, sitar, 23 RSM101
RONU Majumdar, flute, & Sangeeta Shankar, violin, 8 VIS1004
SACHDEV G S, flute, 7 LYR7416
SHAHID Parvez, sitar, 30 C500064
SHIVKUMAR Sharma, santoor, 49 CDNF239 & 60 VEDA Vol 17
SULTAN Khan, sarangi, 20 IAM1074
ULHAS Kashalkar, Vocal, 22 NR107
VYAS C R, vocal, 23 SVCCD020

OTHER SARANGS I have

(short talk http://www.parrikar.org/
Sarang name is from14 C music theorist, Sarangadeva. It consists of a group of seven, each of which is combined with some other raga. In the Ragmala, Sarang is listed as a putra (son) of Siri Raga.
Sarang Varieties: Sadh Sarang, Madhmad Sarang, Bindrabani Sarang, Lankadahan Sarang, Mia ki Sarang,
Gaud Sarang, Jaldhar Sarang, Surdasi Sarang, Nur Sarang, Samant Sarang, Wadhans Sarang)

ALI Akbar Khan, sarod, 26 LANKADAHAN SARANG PSLP5161 & 24 MIAN KI SARANG SN21086
ASAD Ali, veena, 30 BADHANS SARANG A97014
BADE Ghulam Ali 16 HINDOL SARANG SVCCD113
HARIPRASAD Chaurasia 60 SAMANTA SARANG VEDA16 - 31 MADHMAD SARANG SICCD038 & 12 NR9018
JASRAJ vocal 20 HORI SARANG BIS06 - 28 MIAN KI SARANG PSLP5567 &
15 MADHMAD SARANG A92077
KISHORI Amonkar, vocal, 14 LOOR SARANG A01007
KUMAR Gandhrarwa, vocal, 20 MADHMAD SARANG MILS003
PARWEEN Sultana, vocal, 21 SARANG KAUNS PSLP5400
PARWEEN & Dilshad Khan, vocal, 9 AMBIKA SARANG B6748
PRABHAKAR Karekar, vocal, 30 MADHMAD SARANG SWM012
PRAMOD Kumar, sitar, 15 MADHMAD SARANG ARN64172
RASHID Khan, vocal, 12 GAUD SARANG NR163
RAVI Shankar, sitar, 15 SAMANT SARANG pslp5199
RATTAN Sharma, vocal, 6 HORI SARANG BIS26
VEENA Sahasrabuddhe, vocal, 33 MADHMAD SARANG NR045
VIJAYkumar Sant, sitar, 15 MISRA SARANG AC1010

Not all these CDs are recommended.

Kanti Dattani


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