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#176  Postby anandabhairavi » 29 Jul 2009 12:59

I am in tears
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#177  Postby prashant » 29 Jul 2009 13:34

That piece touched me very deeply... have saved it to read again.
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#178  Postby srkris » 29 Jul 2009 18:14

rshankar wrote:I found Sri Ishwaran's comment to be particularly poignant.


Indeed.
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#179  Postby cmlover » 29 Jul 2009 20:48

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Thanks for bringiing the words of Easwaran ! I was really wondering how that nonagenarian was taking the loss of his beloved wife! It is a poignant lesson for all of us moving in that direction!
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#180  Postby vasanthakokilam » 29 Jul 2009 21:09

CML, yes, that line shook me up pretty well, I could not do anything else for half an hour except to sit still, let it sink in, blow out and reflect. That powerful and highly personal statement tells me 'It is all about that'.
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#181  Postby cmlover » 29 Jul 2009 21:43

Every time a CM Icon disappears we express our grief and state how much CM will miss their loss. We tend to forget the pillars on which those icons were built. There would not have been a DKP were it not for Easwaran. As much as there would not have been a MS were it not for Sadasivam. We often fail to express an adequate measure of gratitude to the 'pillars'. I am sure in the midst of their irreparable loss it will be soothing for them to know how much we are indebted to them for the sacrifices they have made to gift us those beloved icons who we cherish.

Milton said most appropriately

They also serve who only stand and wait


Let me add accordingly along with the message of condolence to Easwaran our undying gratitude to him for supporting and shaping DKP over the years and presenting her to us CM Rasikas.
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#182  Postby poojapac » 29 Jul 2009 21:49

Yes, DKP was my guru's sister's mother-in-law. :(
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#183  Postby mohan » 31 Jul 2009 08:03

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#184  Postby Nick H » 31 Jul 2009 12:18

cmlover, that is not only a very great point, but expressed with true humanity too.

I probably know less of the stories of such lives as DKP and other great artists of her generation than most of my co-rasikas, but it has occurred to me that, having overcome the orthodox background to take to the stage, all might have been lost without a husband that supported her. We are, indeed, very much indebted.
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#185  Postby knandago2001 » 31 Jul 2009 14:17

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#186  Postby semmu86 » 31 Jul 2009 19:26

nick H wrote:I probably know less of the stories of such lives as DKP and other great artists of her generation than most of my co-rasikas, .


Nick , i suggest you read a book called " carnatic summer " by Sri.V.Sriram ( think you should be aware of this ) and that book has some amazing info about great musicians.

Sorry for deviating from the topic friends..

Arvind...
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#187  Postby rshankar » 31 Jul 2009 21:30

mohan wrote:Article about DKP singing for films
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/07/31/stories/2009073150540100.htm


Is there a recording of the songs listed by Radnor Guy?
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#188  Postby cmlover » 31 Jul 2009 22:48

I do not think she got the kind of recognition she deserved. She was not just a musician, but a patriot and freedom fighter who used her art to propagate the struggle for Indian independence. She was unmarried then and people like Rajaji used to warn her not to do that as there was a chance of her getting arrested. But nevertheless she persevered and that too throughout her life. It is painful to see such relentless commitment go unnoticed. There was not even a State funeral. Remember, she is a recipient of the Padmavibhushan, points out an agitated Nithyasree.


It is heart-rending to read these comments by Nityasree. DKP is indeed a great patriot along with being a pioneer woman of the upper caste in CM. I personally knew and experienced how emotive her songs were during the Freedom movement. She took enormous risks singing those songs in rallies which was considered a treason punishable by death. Though she herself was not arrested there were several who sang after her fashion were arrested and beaten brutally. While those who actively supported the British and requested them not to grant independance are hailed as the Father of the country it is indeed shameful that DKP (just because she belonged to the wrong caste) has not been adequately recognized or even accorded a State Funeral!

Again DKP's service to Tamil in CM is enormous. It was she who breathed life into several songs of Bharathi as well as those of P Sivan. Those were the times when senior vidvaans used to walk out of CM concerts when Tamil songs were sung! I wish DKP had beeen adequately recognized by the Tamil community during her Final Journey. Perhaps they did, but living far away I have not seen it !
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#189  Postby ragam-talam » 01 Aug 2009 00:25

"She was not just a musician, but a patriot and freedom fighter who used her art to propagate the struggle for Indian independence."

I feel DKP should have been awarded the Bharat Ratna - she richly deserverd it.
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#190  Postby cmlover » 01 Aug 2009 23:46

The following Q & A speaks millions about how the demise of DKP was received by the TN establishment

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#191  Postby VK RAMAN » 01 Aug 2009 23:49

bigots
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#192  Postby girish_a » 02 Aug 2009 21:27

Translation please
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#193  Postby cmlover » 02 Aug 2009 22:41

Though it is painful I still translate for your benefit:

Q: Cho (editor of the magazine Thuklak) has said that the chief minister has not expressed condolence for the demise of the Musician D K Pattammal?
(from V Ananthi Madras-2)
A: J (Jayalalitha) has already done so, is that not enough for Cho? At least he (Cho) had this to find fault on the Doctor (CM)! Great!

(Reply by K Veeramani the leader of the DK and editor of the magazine 'viDuthalai')
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#194  Postby arasi » 03 Aug 2009 01:56

It is never too late...
Forgetting for a moment her immense imprint on CM, forgetting the kind of human being she was, but just for the sake of her singing with fervor those great tamizh songs! For the way she sang every tamizh word in a crystal clear manner so that even a child could learn to sing those songs without making a mistake. For awakening a sense of patriotism among us by singing tamizh songs-- she needs to be honored by tamizh nADu.
avaL oru tamizhum pATTum vaLarta tAi (she was a mother figure who nourished tamizh and tamizh songs). I have no doubt MK and other leaders of TN hummed ADuvOmE paLLu pADuvOmE, veTRi eTTu dikkumeTTa, tonRU nigazhndadu, cinnanjiru kiLiyE and the countless songs they heard from all radios in the neighborhoods that they grew up in, the way they lined up to see movies like nAm iruvar.
When the government lavishes money on festivals and art projects of all kinds, it surely has to honor DKP by making her contributions known to future generations by celebrations every year with a festival, offering scholarships and offer studies of women like her, MS, MLV, KBS, other greats among men like SuddhAnanda bHArati, MMD and others, whose contributions to tamizh by way of muic is immense.
It is not necessary to have a statue in DKP's memory. Let there be living memorials for her kind so that their service to tamizh by way of music is well-recognized and this rich heritage is made available to the coming generations.
Ah, BArati who sang of freedom and the freedom of women. And the song birds who immortalized his verses!
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#195  Postby cmlover » 03 Aug 2009 03:08

Well said arasi! She is a women liberationist too in a sense Bharati defined. The irony is that MK himself comes from a family with CM connections (I heard he trained to play nadaswaram as a boy!). It is in a way hilarious that MK who extols DK, belonging to DMK is failing to recognize DK P :)
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#196  Postby arasi » 03 Aug 2009 04:03

Let's be hopeful. His daughter Kanimozhi was trained in vINai and shows quite a bit of interest in CM. She is powerful too. Hope she exerts her influence both at home and in the cultural scene.
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#197  Postby vainika » 03 Aug 2009 09:23

And one more on DKP titled 'Matriarch of music' by Gowri Ramnarayan
in the current Frontline (Volume 26 - Issue 16 :: Aug. 01-14, 2009)
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20090814261609900.htm

Was particularly moved to read the following

[i]The problem of "Who will marry a girl who performs in public?"
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#198  Postby Gamakam » 07 Aug 2009 14:35

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#199  Postby s_hari » 07 Aug 2009 16:45

gamakam - well written articles. Keep writing

-hari
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#200  Postby cmlover » 07 Aug 2009 20:00

gamakam
simply fascinating. Please share more of your writings. There are gems of information I have never heard before. Also share anecdotes that you know of other musical giants separately.

Many thanks...
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